Just in case you did not see the billboards on the streets, Sodetel is now offering an unlimited plan.
As always, the fine print includes " Fair Usage Policy applies " with no information whatsoever concerning what their policy really is :)

Both plans have a $38 setup fee.

128K $26.99/month.
256K $35.99/month.

All prices do not include VAT.

Related link : http://sodetel.net.lb/DSL/sodetelpackage.shtml

Anyone tried it yet?
My guess is, the limits are transformed into the Fair Usage Policy. When you exceed your limit you do not pay more, but you get a very, but really very, slow internet. Nothing new, all ISPs follow this policy.
I read a Terranet billboard as well.
Yeah, this Fair Usage crap...really pisses me off.

Imagine applying that to satellite tv. You can only watch 30hrs/month or something.
a month later
beezer wroteI read a Terranet billboard as well.
Yeah, this Fair Usage crap...really pisses me off.

Imagine applying that to satellite tv. You can only watch 30hrs/month or something.
shhh... I hope no Lebanese Satellite tv provider is reading this.. :P
2 months later
Lol, today someone told me that there is some new unlimited plan for adsl in lebanon. I'm like really? no way! And I go check it on sodetel (only them offer it I think), and guess what... I knew already but totally forgot.. I even wrote here like months ago... (cf my post up)
Like sometime you just forget about something...
I think unlimited plans won't guarantee a stable connection unless enough bandwidth is dedicated to each one of the customers. For the time being, I think limited at day and unlimited during the night satisfies most of our personal download needs. Hah, it kinda' reminds me when we used to subscribe to Dial-Up, " unlimited night ".
loool!

yes but we hope progress is on the way.

to be honest I am fully satisfied with my WISE connection even though I have 1.6GB/month download and 400M/month upload ya3neh around 53MB/down and ~13MB/up. ... of course from 11pm -> 8am its unlimited!

When you get past your upload limit they only limit the upload ... down to 0.9KB/s !!!! yes.. but guess what ... WoW runs the same because it requires like 0.5KB/s upload.. so it is still ~180-300ms all day :P
5 months later
a friend has it, yes there is an FAP, he exceeded it and called their support and made lots of noise and sounded like someone very, very important, and they reset his quota.
I couldnt know when the FAP is activated though.
If you need an expert bulls**tter, let me know, you cant find better then this guy.
beezer wroteI read a Terranet billboard as well.
Yeah, this Fair Usage crap...really pisses me off.

Imagine applying that to satellite tv. You can only watch 30hrs/month or something.
Here is an hot offer - make an ISP and offer unlimited Internet with no fair usage policy. You will get damn many customers.
rolf wrotea friend has it, yes there is an FAP, he exceeded it and called their support and made lots of noise and sounded like someone very, very important, and they reset his quota.
I couldnt know when the FAP is activated though.
If you need an expert bulls**tter, let me know, you cant find better then this guy.
Let him send his CV at the government HR department. They are always in a need for such people.
hmmm... I hope the topic doesn't get locked

I think the existence of "Fair Usage" policies are a must.
Otherwise it wouldn't be fair for the ISPs.. if you need more, you can buy a higher package
don't expect to be offered a lot for just 25$ for example... put yourself in the ISP place

the thing, is that Fair usage policies should be more fair for the users, to make the limits a bit higher and such
but even then.. users will keep using up that limit no matter how high it gets, cuz someone is never done with the internet, videos, gaming,music.... Internet is the main source for entertainement, not the TV anymore, that is y u would need virtually an unlimited speed/bandwith and no Fair Usage Policy can satisfy the users
teodorgeorgiev wrote
rolf wrotea friend has it, yes there is an FAP, he exceeded it and called their support and made lots of noise and sounded like someone very, very important, and they reset his quota.
I couldnt know when the FAP is activated though.
If you need an expert bulls**tter, let me know, you cant find better then this guy.
Let him send his CV at the government HR department. They are always in a need for such people.
lol...:D
2 months later
i was subscribed to the 256k Unlimited Plan, and the internet wasn't so bad.
i used to download DVDs occasionally through P2P, download songs and high-res pictures daily, and i never experienced any significant slow downs.
samer wrote... As always, the fine print includes " Fair Usage Policy applies " with no information whatsoever concerning what their policy really is :)
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i asked about the Fair Usage Policy before i subscribed, and the operator told me that it's made so that people wouldn't connect the internet connection to multiple computers therefore abuse the bandwidth, and that this plan was intended for the heavy downloaders, but not the "too heavy" ones lol
Define the heaviness they meant... easy.. it's a PR spin :P
proners wroteDefine the heaviness they meant... easy.. it's a PR spin :P
i asked the operator "so i can download about 1 Gb per day?"
she said "well not everyday.." lol
darkredbbb wrote
proners wroteDefine the heaviness they meant... easy.. it's a PR spin :P
i asked the operator "so i can download about 1 Gb per day?"
she said "well not everyday.." lol
it's in their blood to just dodge the questions lol
they don't release the terms of their policy because it's total shit lol...
proners wrote
darkredbbb wrote
proners wroteDefine the heaviness they meant... easy.. it's a PR spin :P
i asked the operator "so i can download about 1 Gb per day?"
she said "well not everyday.." lol
it's in their blood to just dodge the questions lol
they don't release the terms of their policy because it's total shit lol...
No, I can see you never worked in an ISP. My bet is they dont even know what the policy is.
To know, they will have to call the NOC Manager, who is most probably still sleeping or skiing in Faraya.
rolf wroteNo, I can see you never worked in an ISP. My bet is they dont even know what the policy is.
To know, they will have to call the NOC Manager, who is most probably still sleeping or skiing in Faraya.
Nope i didn't.. have i inferred somewhere that i did :P? :P
And yeah i had a wild guess that those support peeps are as misinformed/uninformed as us :P.. why the hell is that.. some weird company policy i guess :P
edit: by the way, what does NOC stand for ?
Not weird company policy... the network engineer sets the policy like he wants, depending on network congestion and available bandwidth, but there is no real need for the support team to be informed about the technical details... the job of support is to fix problems, not to respond to customer enquiries regarding the services they receive. The is the job of the sales department.
If the customer runs over quota and gets restricted speed, as long as support is concerned, everything is fine.
I am probably wrong on something, though, support must have a way of knowing if the customer is still inside his quota or not, or a way to know that the slowdown is due to quota exhaustion. So they at least get an indication whether you are in the normal priority class or the lower priority class, but it is not sure whether they get an indication of your available quota. It depends on the system.
Even if they get one, they probably are requested not to give it, since the ISP reserves itself the right to change it according to capacity, therefore it is better not to give any number since they cannot guarantee anything.
N.O.C. stands for network operations center. Sometimes, NOCs can be reached by email through noc@domain.net.lb... like for example sodetel NOC can probably be reached at noc@sodetel.net.lb
The network operating center is responsible for monitoring networks and solving connectivity problems. Its a room with a bunch of people sitting behind computers/laptops. Support handle customers, and if the customer problem turns out to be a problem on the network, the complaint is forwarded to the NOC and NOC engineers handle it.
Support normally dont do things such as changing routes, fixing routers, configuring servers, etc... that is the work of NOC.
(phew... lots of talking...)