Internet in Lebanon - General Questions

Pardon my ignorance but I'm trying to understand couple of illogical things here :

When Ogero introduced the DSL packages and rate, they limited the DSL bandwidth to 1mbps claiming that any bandwidth above it is not supported due to old infrastructure ( from home to DSLAM etc.. ) and HDSL modem is required with separate connection to network whatsoever as we are still using copper twisted cables etc..

In that case, how can we get our 2mpbs - 4mbps connections ? should we all upgrade to HDSL ? which I highly doubt

What about the extra fee if you are a heavy user and what about the upload speeds


Actually When I upgraded my Ogero connection from 512kbps to 1mbps last year, I couldn't use the G.dmt modulation anymore which seems to work better than other type of modulation ( latency 10ms lower between host and DSLAM and the rate was 512kbps/128kbps vs 507kbps/121kbps reported by the modem )

On a 1mbps from Ogero, I can only connect using ADSL2 or ADSL2+ modulation which seems to be weird...

Anyway here's what my modem reports :


Statistics -- ADSL


Mode: ADSL2+
Line Coding: Trellis On
Status: No Defect
Link Power State: L0

Downstream Upstream
SNR Margin (dB): 33.8 34.0
Attenuation (dB): 27.5 12.3
Output Power (dBm): 12.0 0.4
Attainable Rate (Kbps): 9820 324
Rate (Kbps): 1022 250
MSGc (number of bytes in overhead channel message): 53 75
B (number of bytes in Mux Data Frame): 35 7
M (number of Mux Data Frames in FEC Data Frame): 1 16
T (Mux Data Frames over sync bytes): 1 1
R (number of check bytes in FEC Data Frame): 16 16
S (ratio of FEC over PMD Data Frame length): 1.0947 14.2222
L (number of bits in PMD Data Frame): 380 81
D (interleaver depth): 64 4
Delay (msec): 17 14

Super Frames: 42750788 137181
Super Frame Errors: 0 0
RS Words: 2522296500 710643
RS Correctable Errors: 512 0
RS Uncorrectable Errors: 0 N/A

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Statistics -- ADSL


Mode: ADSL2
Line Coding: Trellis On
Status: No Defect
Link Power State: L0

Downstream Upstream
SNR Margin (dB): 39.6 29.0
Attenuation (dB): 16.5 12.1
Output Power (dBm): 12.2 0.4
Attainable Rate (Kbps): 13817 324
Rate (Kbps): 1023 252
MSGc (number of bytes in overhead channel message): 53 75
B (number of bytes in Mux Data Frame): 35 7
M (number of Mux Data Frames in FEC Data Frame): 1 16
T (Mux Data Frames over sync bytes): 1 1
R (number of check bytes in FEC Data Frame): 16 16
S (ratio of FEC over PMD Data Frame length): 1.0947 14.2222
L (number of bits in PMD Data Frame): 380 81
D (interleaver depth): 64 4
Delay (msec): 17 14

Super Frames: 3477 3064
Super Frame Errors: 0 0
RS Words: 205164 15499
RS Correctable Errors: 0 0
RS Uncorrectable Errors: 0 N/A

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Under G.dmt the attainable download rate was around 11mbps and upload was 1.4 mbps; unfortunately under ADSL2/ADSL2+ modulation, it's only 324kbps for the upload... The SNR was higher and attenuation was lower...

I am not sure if the ISPs will provide the new advertised bandwidth to end-users , but without a good QoS and latency, those numbers mean nothing unless all we care about is the extra quota and lower prices; but again, still better than nothing... crossed fingers.

Appreciate any comment or clarification

How will this upgrading in the bandwith and price reduction affect Universities? (like USJ where internet their sucks or USEK where it sucks more)

what's gonna happened to stuff like WINS or Wise or Mobi ?

I believe Wise, Wigo & Mobi will all be phased out as part of the Telecom's push for 3G (while the rest of world upgrades to 4G/LTE).

And as The-MMMs put it:

[They are] more interested in personal gain

The-MMMs wroteOgero are more interested in personal gain and quality of their connections. Give people their double speed and unlimited night and bye-bye QoS

Exactly, that's why I'm with Ogero now.


But with the new speeds, I'll switch to anyone with unlimited plans.

I hope Ogero never gives unlimited, I don't want my network to get congested by all the "I d0wnl0ads internets" users.

Anyone can confirm if the 2mb package will have unlimited download and double speed at night ? Private ISPs ofcorse.

m0ei wroteAnyone can confirm if the 2mb package will have unlimited download and double speed at night ? Private ISPs ofcorse.

I called terranet, even though i am not a terranet user, and they told me that they are going to keep them after the upgrade

There are rumors going around that Ogero users will see an improvement starting on the 1st (of September)--does anyone have any sources to link to?

xazbrat wroteThere are rumors going around that Ogero users will see an improvement starting on the 1st (of September)--does anyone have any sources to link to?

There's only 1 major improvement considering Ogero service, is that the modem lock on the Internet before my PC starts up. I mean like no time, while before it will take a minimum of 15mins so I'm able to start browsing.

The guy in the support, told me that just when the new law is in the official gazette, it will take only 1 week so the new speeds are delivered.

ILIA_93 wrote

xazbrat wroteThere are rumors going around that Ogero users will see an improvement starting on the 1st (of September)--does anyone have any sources to link to?

There's only 1 major improvement considering Ogero service, is that the modem lock on the Internet before my PC starts up. I mean like no time, while before it will take a minimum of 15mins so I'm able to start browsing.

The guy in the support, told me that just when the new law is in the official gazette, it will take only 1 week so the new speeds are delivered.

That lock issue has been solved since 3 months ( at least in my case )


Now the question is... Are we gonna have our upgrade or are we gonna have reduced rate ?

Say if I have a 1mbps connection now and paying 115,000LL excluding VAT, will the new connection bandwith be automatically upgraded to 4mbps along with the quota or the price iwill automatically drop to 34,000LL ?

because in the 2nd case, I will have to get the last bill and take my dad to sign some papers at Ogero etc... and then wait for the other month to get the bandwidth upgrade...

Kareem wroteNow the question is... Are we gonna have our upgrade or are we gonna have reduced rate ?

Say if I have a 1mbps connection now and paying 115,000LL excluding VAT, will the new connection bandwith be automatically upgraded to 4mbps along with the quota or the price iwill automatically drop to 34,000LL ?

because in the 2nd case, I will have to get the last bill and take my dad to sign some papers at Ogero etc... and then wait for the other month to get the bandwidth upgrade...

If in your area the new speed is available ( which is 4Mbps in your case ), you'll be upgraded to it, if you can't get it, you'll get maximum speed available with more quota. They wont give you 1Mbps for less money, you'll pay the same for higher speed.

Kareem wrotebecause in the 2nd case, I will have to get the last bill and take my dad to sign some papers at Ogero etc... and then wait for the other month to get the bandwidth upgrade...

Kareem, you do not need your dad to go and upgrade it. You, as his son, can do it. I've done it many times. (besides, you can get a copy of the last bill from the central office)

1 MB Connection = 100 KB Download Speed ?

bluewolf wrote1 MB Connection = 100 KB Download Speed ?

1 mb/8 = 125kb download speed

Just remember this is Up to 1Mbps, which just like now I'm getting 24KB/s max with 256Kbps, we'll get 100~110KB/s with 1Mbps