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J4D

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laptop development ( history )

laptop development , not in order :)

future 

Ayman

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lol I still have one of those old laptops running windows 95(similar to the one in pic #5),

here are the specs 

Processor: Pentium/166 MMX

Memory: 40.0MB RAM

256Kb of pipeline-burst cache :cool:

Hard Drive: 1.5 GB

Modem: Standard 300 bps

Graphics: 1.1Mb NeoMagic

OS: Windows 95

And for wireless connectivity: 115Kbits/sec infrared serial port :cool:

The laptop is still fully functional, that was the first PC I had around 10 years ago(I was 9 years old)

Here are some pics:

Last edited by Ayman (September 22 2009)

J4D

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ayman   thats nice  ,  can you tell us the date of production of this laptop ?  and if it houses an optical drive ? i used to have one like the one in pic 2  but its long gone :(

Ayman

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It had an external optical drive but I dissected it a long time ago  As for the date of production I am not very sure most probably 1994-1996... :)

rolf

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I think my uncle has one of these huge, 30-year old things (whatever they called them back then - the ancestors of laptops) laying around. Not working, of course.

nuclearcat

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Centrino, almost all modern laptops (most of them Intel in Leb) has it.
Developed in Haifa, Israel. Most of Intel things also developed in that country.
http://ixbtlabs.com/articles2/cm/intel- … ec2k5.html

Speaking of Intel finances in Israel, the overall export since 1974 is over $12 mlrd, export growth for the last year is over $1 mlrd. Intel's total investments (apart from acquisitions) are about $3 mlrd, expected investments into the Fab 28 construction will bring another $3.5 mlrd by the end of 2009. Intel is the main private investor in the country.

Strange that government doesn't bother themself, that they are using everywhere "sophisticated technology developed outside" (citate from Lebanese news media, Barouk case).
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Ayman

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Centrino, almost all modern laptops (most of them Intel in Leb) has it.
Developed in Haifa, Israel. Most of Intel things also developed in that country.
http://ixbtlabs.com/articles2/cm/intel- … ec2k5.html

    Speaking of Intel finances in Israel, the overall export since 1974 is over $12 mlrd, export growth for the last year is over $1 mlrd. Intel's total investments (apart from acquisitions) are about $3 mlrd, expected investments into the Fab 28 construction will bring another $3.5 mlrd by the end of 2009. Intel is the main private investor in the country.

Strange that government doesn't bother themself, that they are using everywhere "sophisticated technology developed outside" (citate from Lebanese news media, Barouk case).
lol lol lol

I don't use Intel Processors anyways  AMD is much better :cool:

Last edited by Ayman (September 23 2009)

J4D

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wow   an investigation should be done regarding that case ,   how did we get to this subject !! look at the thread  !!

nuclearcat

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I guess all Intel representatives should be arrested and interrogated :-D

battikh

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Strange that government doesn't bother themself, that they are using everywhere "sophisticated technology developed outside" (citate from Lebanese news media, Barouk case).
:lol: :lol: :lol:

there's a difference between buying something DEVELOPED in israel by a multinational company (that's part of globalization, no escape) and buying equipment from an israeli firm close to the israeli ministry of defence...
plus, in processors, it's not like you have much choice. you either go for intel, or amd. if both develop in israel, what do you do? we go back to counting on our fingers? things that are banned for connections with israel in lebanon, are usually things that have an equivalent with no relation with israel.
in technology you can't have something 100% israeli-free. you'll end up with no cellphones, no computers, no internet, no calculators,... so many protocols have been developed by israeli, so many electronic chips are imported from israel (from things as simple as resistors and capacitors), ...

the barouk thing is TOTALLY different, israeli microwave equipment bought from an israeli ex-general pointed towards the south (wonder how many countries are at the south of lebanon). not only it's an illegal link, but it also smell israeli secret services all over it.

Last edited by battikh (September 23 2009)

J4D

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battikh has got a point :)  but still  we should know more about this issue and not taking it lightly ;)

nuclearcat

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the barouk thing is TOTALLY different, israeli microwave equipment bought from an israeli ex-general pointed towards the south (wonder how many countries are at the south of lebanon). not only it's an illegal link, but it also smell israeli secret services all over it.

As far as i know, i seen on picture Sagem microwave :-D
Israeli modems was PLANNED to purchase by another company (FibeAIR), they have more capacity.
Secret services... do you believe in that? :-)

While there is much better ways to transfer data, than microwave link with ugly large dish :-)

One of them was shown in real spy case, refrigerator with embedded satellite modem.
P.S. I dont think Israel so stupid, to send ex-general to Lebanon. They will use person with clear biography for spying cases. Usually MOSSAD catch high position people from tech companies for such missions...

Probably this guy just was in military service in Israel, but in Israel  even girls do military service. If he is not dumb, sure he will get some rank there that time. Really important people you will not know, that they are militaries. For example their pilots banned to put photos and info in facebook... i don't remember details, info about this ban was floating in internet.

Last edited by nuclearcat (September 23 2009)

J4D

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guys you are off the topic !!    but  still the barouk  case has got israeli smells alll over it :)

battikh

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Secret services... do you believe in that? :-)

you don't? yeah, the mossad is just a big joke, it's a conspiracy theory that lebanese created to entertain themself when there is no electricity and they can't watch tv...

While there is much better ways to transfer data, than microwave link with ugly large dish :-)

this case was not about transmitting data in general. it's not just communication between point A and point B. when you have an internet link routed to israel, israel can see all the traffic going threw... and when you key lebanese users using this link, it might be interesting for them to monitor... so no, for THIS purpose, this would be quiet useful...

One of them was shown in real spy case, refrigerator with embedded satellite modem.

yeah, but this is not to send all the traffic of certain users through israel to be monitored.

P.S. I dont think Israel so stupid, to send ex-general to Lebanon. They will use person with clear biography for spying cases. Usually MOSSAD catch high position people from tech companies for such missions...

coz you know, history has proven that israel cares a lot about what others think. so they are very careful even when they get the opportunity of doing something that, in ANY case, no one will blame them for or make them pay... they have always done their dirty work openly. we have 60 years of experience next to them, we know...
all the shit they are involved in, they NEVER denied it, often they even say it proudly...
and there is a huge difference between the approach they use on their spying in lebanon (which they don't necessarly bother to completely hide), and the approach they use in other countries (like iran or USA, which is were they care more about the profile of the person). for lebanon, if they have the opportunity to spy fro a week, get some interesting info, and then get caught, they dont give a single shit, because no one will blame them and no one will make them pay. so why would they bother? and history and previous cases has proven this.

Probably this guy just was in military service in Israel, but in Israel  even girls do military service. If he is not dumb, sure he will get some rank there that time. Really important people you will not know, that they are militaries. For example their pilots banned to put photos and info in facebook... i don't remember details, info about this ban was floating in internet.

so what? what does it change? he's still israeli and business was done through him, and we have no idea what happens to the traffic after reaching his end... so because he might have just done his military service in israel and nothing more it becomes more acceptable and we should stop doubting about the issue?

and you know, there's nothing to doubt, the israeli guy was clean, he just did his military service in israel, nothing to doubt about this whole issue. he was just doing business in lebanon because lebanon is such a great and important market on which his business is relying on. it was worth it for him to do business with the enemy JUST for economical reason and JUST for business, nothing related to the israeli government and syping and mossad. it makes absolute sense.
just tell me, why would he be interested in doing business with lebanon knowing that what he was doing is illegal on so many levels (illegal link, business with the enemy, ...)? please don't tell me pure business, i might be naive, but not THAT much.

Last edited by battikh (September 23 2009)

rolf

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you either go for intel, or amd. if both develop in israel, what do you do? we go back to counting on our fingers?

You can run Linux on a chinese Longson cpu :/

J4D

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i guess  you can  also  run  windows //  btw some versions of that loongson  are are  a bit powerfull :)    i would love to try one :) 1.2 ghz

rolf

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i guess  you can  also  run  windows //  btw some versions of that loongson  are are  a bit powerfull :)    i would love to try one :) 1.2 ghz

It is MIPS, AFAIK, it doesnt run Windows (yet?), but I might have missed something.

Last edited by rolf (September 23 2009)

J4D

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microsoft windows CE  runs perfectly on loongson , and virtually and operating system can be ported to work with  MIPS   :)

nuclearcat

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Sorry for offtopic, but i was very sick of this case.

this case was not about transmitting data in general. it's not just communication between point A and point B. when you have an internet link routed to israel, israel can see all the traffic going threw... and when you key lebanese users using this link, it might be interesting for them to monitor... so no, for THIS purpose, this would be quiet useful...

Do you think sudden fiber cable break 1 year ago in 3 places in sea, in same time, just was break?
Did you think they just put on fiber at same time tapping device?

Don't you think it is cheaper and more safe to send their "general" to routers of PCCW/Level3/... where Ogero take internet? They can make good deal with anyone, and install monitoring software. Or just deal with CIA and use CALEA (Lebanon terminate most of traffic in USA, some in London). Btw Lebanese and Israeli pipes terminated in same datacenter of PCCW in London, for example. It is trivial to tap Lebanese traffic there with decent equipment.

Or as i mention before, make nice discounts for some resellers of Intel, that will send "well designed", "special edition" Intel laptops to Lebanon. Just slightly modify Intel wireless chipset (which mainly developed by Israeli R&D), send some "collecting unit" (survelliance plane, just transit ship in port with "loaded" container, etc), grab all info from required harddrives safely. You have already pretty powerful battery, embedded antenna, and bunch of microcontrollers (starting from intel wireless microcontroller, 150Kb of compressed ucode!) it is just a gift for a spy people. P.S. Wifi cannot penetrate walls much with two-way 802.11b/g, but almost all wireless cards have "unofficial" modes. I was able to run miniPCI wireless to pass 15km NLOS distance and still transfer data around 1Mbps two-way. Everything on "supermarket hardware". All DIY. They can do much better and they need only 1 way. (This will make my post not totally offtopic, it is about laptops  sorry )

yeah, but this is not to send all the traffic of certain users through israel to be monitored.

You really think they need to watch users traffic? :-D Maybe they can steal some porn pics from lebanese hairy guys, and mastrubate on them :-))) Most of users of this link was regular ISP's, and mostly this ISP's put games ports that need low RTT, and other use as satellite (cause it was pretty expensive, more expensive than satellite and Ogero). The only who Israel needs - guys from Hezbollah. They almost don't care about army and your funny politicians. If they need any info from them, they will catch their balls abroad and ask everything they need (how MOSSAD usually does).

all the shit they are involved in, they NEVER denied it, often they even say it proudly...
and there is a huge difference between the approach they use on their spying in lebanon (which they don't necessarly bother to completely hide), and the approach they use in other countries (like iran or USA, which is were they care more about the profile of the person). for lebanon, if they have the opportunity to spy fro a week, get some interesting info, and then get caught, they dont give a single shit, because no one will blame them and no one will make them pay. so why would they bother? and history and previous cases has proven this.

This is something different than they care if someone will know. Btw spy cases handled "specially" by secret services in all world. If it is really spy case, you will never hear "yes" or "no". Established rule.
They dont care about anybody btw. Recently Netaniahu and other high position officials secretly visited Russia, and one of his sentences was "If we gonna die, we will sink all world with us" (it was talk about Iranian nukes and C-300 missile system).

Because simply this general, even if he is "ex", but he is doing MOSSAD duty - can be captured. Their point, that person in army priceless, thats why they go nuts if someone get killed or stolen. Do you believe, as news mentioned, they will send high ranked person just to oversee installation? And make so much nice gift for Hezbollah? LOL!

Remember colonel Elchanan Tenenbaum? He costed Israel:

# 30 Lebanese and Arab prisoners,
# the remains of 59 Lebanese militants and civilians,
# 400 Palestinian prisoners, and
# maps showing Israeli mines in South Lebanon were exchanged for Tenenbaum, a businessman captured in 2000 on a business trip to Kuwait and held in Lebanon by Hezbollah, along with the remains of the three dead soldiers.

Tannenbaum was heavily in debt, he is just stupid gambling player, and went to Lebanon to make $200000 drug deal to close his debts.  So i hope now you understand, that NEVER they will send general here. And only small chance, that some israeli person can come here by his personal business reasons. But i don't believe at all some successful IT person will do that. They can hire good technician to do that. Secrecy level in big companies also same high as in spying agencies, so he won't talk at any case.

so what? what does it change? he's still israeli and business was done through him, and we have no idea what happens to the traffic after reaching his end... so because he might have just done his military service in israel and nothing more it becomes more acceptable and we should stop doubting about the issue?

I am not sure they knew he had israel citizenship. You can ask person, while he make deal with Lebanese, if he have israeli passport? :-) What you think he will answer?
- Yes, i have, and i was general in the Israeli army.
What will happen with deal? :-)

and you know, there's nothing to doubt, the israeli guy was clean, he just did his military service in israel, nothing to doubt about this whole issue. he was just doing business in lebanon because lebanon is such a great and important market on which his business is relying on. it was worth it for him to do business with the enemy JUST for economical reason and JUST for business, nothing related to the israeli government and syping and mossad. it makes absolute sense.
just tell me, why would he be interested in doing business with lebanon knowing that what he was doing is illegal on so many levels (illegal link, business with the enemy, ...)? please don't tell me pure business, i might be naive, but not THAT much.

Pure business.  Golden mine. Because only Lebanon have so much STUPID government that rise prices in the sky and lick this golden duck for years. All countries around Lebanon have prices for capacity $10-$100/Mbit.  Lebanese have $1000-$1500. I know many "backbone" managers for big Tier1 ISP's who gonna die to complete opportunity to sell internet for someone, just for $400/Mbit. And if it is 155-300 Mbps... wohooo, they can go to Bahamas till end of their life, after 1 year of such sales.
Any strong artificial market regulations that make limitations and high price leads to huge black market sales.

Last edited by nuclearcat (September 23 2009)

J4D

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thats alot of typing :lol: , but we get your point :)

J4D

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nuclear cat  plz i request you make a post about how to modify the  pci card to reach 15 km  :)  :)

nuclearcat

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jadberro - not PCI, miniPCI, and not card, you need Atheros SoC. It was made from slightly modified AR5002AP-G based AP, with custom vxworks firmware , that have full set of code in drivers for XR mode. (this firmware have "stealth" mode also, not visible in normal operation by any 802.11* scanner). You will need to work on oscillator modifications also...

rolf

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I was able to run miniPCI wireless to pass 15km NLOS distance and still transfer data around 1Mbps two-way. Everything on "supermarket hardware". All DIY. They can do much better and they need only 1 way. (This will make my post not totally offtopic, it is about laptops  sorry )

I hate to go off-topic, but I would loove to know how you did that.
As for the rest of the post, Lebanese security organisation arent geniuses, I mean back when I was at school there was a period where they banned hard rock music CDs and actually went around arresting people because they were satan worshippers. That is about the time that I gave up all hope on them. :lol:

But Im sure you know nuc, nobody should rely too much on link-level security. If you want secure communications, you use encryption. It is just implied for me to never, ever assume that the link is secure. Im a bit surprised that you seem to have forgotten about that.