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teodorgeorgiev

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Re: ADSL in 2006

Virtual ISP have a website --> www.visp.net.lb.
Since long time ago... ...

Btw, you should better know which of the ISPs have started and are currently working with the help of the government.

Also, GlobalProof and VISP are probably the only local ISPs using exclusively the Linux OS with a ***SELF-MODIFIED kernel*** for better performance.

And you can cut your balls if you do not know what else to do with them.
About IDM, after two months I am coming back. If you want, we can meet... me, you, IDM best engineers and we can do a test in Linux, Cisco  and TCP/IP networking in general.
Lets the facts speak.

Btw, looks like you have a problem with your nose. Visit a doctor!

naregkar

Member

Re: ADSL in 2006

Your attitude was boastful that made vegeta act and respond like the way he did.

In your reply that followed vegeta's surprise to those high prices, you started with a heavy sarcasm.
Just wanted to make this clear.

Theodor, this forum is not a place where people "fight". We discuss a topic and that's it. This does not mean that everyone cannot share her/his opinion, instead everyone reads others' point of view and suggests but not tries to persuade...

mahdoum

Member

Re: ADSL in 2006

this topic needs to be locked :S so no other discussions/arguments can arise

rolf

Member

Re: ADSL in 2006

Also, GlobalProof and VISP are probably the only local ISPs using exclusively the Linux OS with a ***SELF-MODIFIED kernel*** for better performance.

Like what, you recompiled the kernel?
Is that a fancy name for recompiled the kernel with minimum options and the modules as static?

No really what did you modify?

rolf

Member

Re: ADSL in 2006

I called VISP
I doubt you will take from them:
512k = 300$ per month!!
2mb? 1000$
They live in another world haram...

Is that dedicated prices? What's the upload?
If it's dedicated or even not dedicated but with a good upload it's very good deal.

teodor, what is it?
and what's the installation cost, by the way?

jalal

Member

Re: ADSL in 2006

i read in the newspaper yesterday, adsl will be available in February 2006 ...

rolf

Member

Re: ADSL in 2006

I called them, vegeta the prices you have given are for dedicated bandwith.... 300$ for 64 up and 512 down dedicated is a very good price, yet installation costs are a bit high at 700$.

Their home ADSL offers start at 50$, I understand... so you may get cheaper, but upload for home offers are 32 kbps up (like GDS), and I'm not interested in such upload.

I take back what I said, this is not a crappy company.

Halo

Member

Re: ADSL in 2006

Wow, that's a bit too high, don't you think? Is it limited or not? And also, in America we paid $20 a months for a 4096 kbps download and a 2048 kbps upload connection :) Set-up wasn't expensive at all either, I think it was free or maybe a bit more, I'm not sure, I wasn't really interested in internet in America because I knew that all the services they offer are fast and cheap

rolf

Member

Re: ADSL in 2006

This is supposedly a dedicated connection, so there should be no limitation whatsoever.
Yah damn right it's too expensive, but it's half the price that you'de have payed a couple of months ago, but still pathetically expensive.

teodorgeorgiev

Member

Re: ADSL in 2006

OK, rolf and other guys...

I won't discuss anymore anything related to VISP, IDM or whoever.

I will just explain my point of view on the prices...

You told in one of your previous posts "We live in 'retard' country".
Correct... Lets see, what makes the country look 'retardish'.
The country, rolf, is built by the people who live there. They take the decision, they choose the people who are supposed to move the country (yes, I mean the government).
So, who is the country?
It is you... your father and mother. Their relatives. Your girlfriend, her parents and their relatives. Your friends at school, their parents and relatives. Your neighbours. All these people, they are the country.
So, you said - they are retards. Pretty fine.
Blame them for the situation! Not only for the Internet prices :)

You all dream of Canada. But let me tell you the truth, without meaning to insult any of you - if you go to Canada, you will have very hard time to adopt to their way of living.
Canada is Canada, because it was built (and still is building) by clever people, with enough working brain in their heads. People, who are not afraid to work hard, to plan their steps carefully, to come to work on time, to fit into timelines...
This is what created Canada as the country you are dreaming of.
If you move all the Lebanese to Canada and take everyone else out... It won't be Canada anymore. It will be Lebanon...

Don't get me wrong, I do not hate Lebanon (I have many friends there)... but the people 95% of the people there are dumb. They work in an unprofessional manner, do not fit into any timelines, work without any rules or order.  It is a torture to work with such people. I won't start mention company names (for the time being), but that is the true.

So, if you guys, wish the prices to change, YOU CHANGE FIRST, then the prices will change by themselves.
Start working like the people in Canada, France, Sweden or wherever in the civilized countries do, and you will get prices like in Canada, Sweden, USA and etc...

That is what I have to say.

Some of you (like Vegetta) will start "spitting" on me. Not because I am not right (they know it as good as I do), but because they do not like the truth. Ok, let them spit and swear as much as they want. But this won't change the things, at least not in a positive direction.

rolf

Member

Re: ADSL in 2006

mmmh you got a point.

vegeta

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Re: ADSL in 2006

Ok guys Termium begins tonight,Ogero and many ISPs will be there(visp to) so let's get some infos on the ground.

teodorgeorgiev

Member

Re: ADSL in 2006

In my personal opinion, fairs (like Termium) are of little use.
If you go there, you will hear how good is everyone. All of them are the best professionals, with highly educated personnel, offering turnkey next-generation solutions and more similar bombastic words. But only if it comes to words.

If some (be it an ISP, system integrator/solutions provider or whoever) wants to prove how good he is on actions, not only on words - let him build a good, reliable and secure network, offering a lot of useful services at afforadble price, without spending money for expensive equipment.

Most of the companies work 80% marketing, 20% technical. It should be the opposite.

rolf

Member

Re: ADSL in 2006

Termium is still a good place to make contacts, teodor, you can go down and take the number of all the isps and ask them to send you references. and people like to socialise.

rolf

Member

Re: ADSL in 2006

A friend of my father just ordered visp 128x512 dedicated at termium. This company popped out of nowhere but until now looks like a good thing.

teodorgeorgiev

Member

Re: ADSL in 2006

Rolf,

nothing pops out of nowhere. Go through the history of the world and you will see that I am correct. And there are no expections.

Nothing pops out of nowhere. You are just a bit far away from the "ISP kitchen" ;)

And it is not a suprise, because the lebanese start spitting on everything new and unknown that appears on front of their eyes. Remind your reaction (and the one of vegetta and the others) and you will see that it is true (I won't mention your enthusiams in cutting your balls defending the IDM amateurs).

What VISP did for 3 months (bringing all the network from scratch), IDM and others will do it in twice more time, with 2 times more people, and with 3 times more money (thus making the service more expensive).

Once again - it is my own opinion, not the one of the company I am working for :)

P.S. The ADSL ports are limited.

Halo

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Re: ADSL in 2006

teodor, come on man, think about it, you're taking things so seriously.

When rolf says it popped out of no where, he meant that he never had any idea of possibly purchasing something from the company. It looks to me that you're looking for every little thing about what someone posts about it. Calm down.

I went to the termium, Ogero is there, VISP is there, and skyDSL is there.

I tried VISP's ADSL. It was good, but it's not like it's that great as DSL in the USA because of higher latencies, but it's fast, it takes around 2-5 seconds to get to a web page. I did a speed check on it, around 500 kbps, which is considered double ISDN, but more than half under DSL.

It's too costly now. It's like $300 for a 128k up 512k down, which is what we had in America, but it's slower here because of latency

On the screen there they were showing there product downloading a big file, and the transfer rate was like 1000 kbps. A guy came up and said, " Is that a lie or what?" I thought that was kinda funny - they've never experienced speeds like this before so they assume that it's a lie, when there is much more than 1000 kbps out there.

skyDSL isn't great. I tried out there 4 mgps product, and when I checked the speed, around 300 kbps or around 40 KBps, but it was much slower than the ADSL product because of the high latency. It's expensive, $125 a month for up to 1 mgps and $400 for set-up. Imagine, if I'm getting speeds of 300 kbps on the 4 mgps service, then what would I get on the 1 mgps service?

It still ties up your phone line for uploading, so that's even more paying. Overall, I say it's not worth it. Stay with IDM.

The only advantage on it is that it doesn't get affected by weather and ADSL doesn't get affected by weather either, IDM does, but I say I stick with IDM because Ogero says ADSL will be out in the end of Februrary so once that date comes then you make the switch if it is affordable.

Alhajan is an interesting company. Offering a wireless connection of 256k download and 256k upload for only $50 a month. I think set-up is around $400 though.

Website - alhajan.net.lb I think. That's what I remember. I'll go get the site name later and recorrect it ;)

rolf

Member

Re: ADSL in 2006

Alhajan is an interesting company. Offering a wireless connection of 256k download and 256k upload for only $50 a month. I think set-up is around $400 though.

Website - alhajan.net.lb I think. That's what I remember. I'll go get the site name later and recorrect it ;)

Thanks for the info. It's perfect, I need a good upload, I'll check it out.

But I could not open the site

teodorgeorgiev

Member

Re: ADSL in 2006

Man,

SkyDSL is a crap. I will explain you why. People (the marketing ones), they like to use bombastic words like DSL, VPN, QoS, MPLS and etc.
And the poor they, they do not have any idea what they are talking about.

DSL means - Digital Subscribed Line, and it is a technology for transmitting data over a 2-wire (4 for SHDSL) regular copper phone line.

Where in the SkyDSL is the copper 2wire pair? It is just a shared DVB.

rolf

Member

Re: ADSL in 2006

Yeah some companies market satellite downstream packages as "E-DSL"

Halo

Member

Re: ADSL in 2006

I know. skyDSL sucks. The woman there didn't know anything about it, I asked about the latency, and she said that the upload latency was low but the download latency was high :(

OK.....

Sorry, Alhajjan.com is the website.

I personally think all satellite connections are bad for browsing, amazing for downloading, but bad for browsing. The ADSL was around 2/3 as fast as the satellite but it was still much faster because of the latency. Satellite connections just aren't worth the money and there not good either. You pay even more money for the 4 mgps service, you get 300 kbps with high latency. Wow.

Halo

Member

Re: ADSL in 2006

Actually Rolf, there's even some better news about that website. If you want a 512k up and down, it is only $100, and 1 mgps, $200.

I think it has limited bandwith though, but you can make a call and they'll rise it for you for free I think because they didn't list any pricings on bandwith. Heck, maybe I'm wrong, maybe the bandwith is unlimited.

Halo

Member

Re: ADSL in 2006

Exact place where the wireless page is at-

http://alhajjan.com/english/wireless/winternet.htm

It says it's dedicated on there, so I'm not sure if it's limited or not.

rolf

Member

Re: ADSL in 2006

Exact place where the wireless page is at-
http://alhajjan.com/english/wireless/winternet.htm

Thanks :)

samer

Admin

Re: ADSL in 2006

Alhajjan.com

i've never heard about this company before, but a 256K upload for $50/m is very interesting!