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andrew55

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Re: Internet in Lebanon - General Questions

Dear IDM,
The new ADSL plan list is great. Congratulations!
I’d like to be transitioned to the 4 mbps/50 GB plan if that’s the maximum speed I can get.
I also have three more questions:
1-      Will the FUP be only applied to ALL plans or just the unlimited plans?
2-      What is the GB limit at which FUP will applied?
3-      Will there still be unlimited nights (11-7)?
Your advice is appreciated.
Thank you!
Andrew

Reply:

Dear Mr. Assaf,

 

Thank you for your email.

 

Please be informed that we will process with your upgrade request as you stated below at the end of this month .

Moreover, please note that the night free traffic will remain from 11 pm till 7 am . As for the Fair use policy , it will be applicable for all plans as mentioned on IDM website.

 

Regards,

Raficoo

Member

Re: Internet in Lebanon - General Questions

Adnan it's on page 57 of this topic, it's easy and very useful.

Andrew I asked 3 different guys from IDM and they assured me that the FUP will only be applied to the unlimited plans and won't affect the free night quota (the last time was today) so I think they should know by now or let's just hope that's the case !

anyway here are my stats:

Uptime:    0 days, 2:48:46
DSL Type:    ITU-T G.992.5
Bandwidth (Up/Down) [kbps/kbps]:    598 / 2.398
Data Transferred (Sent/Received) [MB/MB]:    21,97 / 198,72
Output Power (Up/Down) [dBm]:    12,0 / 18,5
Line Attenuation (Up/Down) [dB]:    26,1 / 40,0
SN Margin (Up/Down) [dB]:    22,8 / 14,9
System Vendor ID (Local/Remote):    TMMB / ----
Chipset Vendor ID (Local/Remote):    BDCM / BDCM
Loss of Framing (Local/Remote):    0 / 0
Loss of Signal (Local/Remote):    0 / 0
Loss of Power (Local/Remote):    0 / 0
Loss of Link (Remote):    -
Error Seconds (Local/Remote):    0 / 0
FEC Errors (Up/Down):    51 / 19.616
CRC Errors (Up/Down):    0 / 0
HEC Errors (Up/Down):    0 / 0

Here's the change in numbers when i sync to ADSL1 :

DSL Type:    ITU-T G.992.1
Bandwidth (Up/Down) [kbps/kbps]:    578 / 2.4
Line Attenuation (Up/Down) [dB]:    26,1 / 37,0
SN Margin (Up/Down) [dB]:    22,8 / 23,9

When I tried ADSL1 sync, it lowered my attenuation and raised my SN Margin, however it increased by ping by 10-15ms for some reason so I switched back to ADSL2

andrew55

Member

Re: Internet in Lebanon - General Questions

So as you can see, contrary to what the tech team told you and I ccu is saying otherwise. Check their website. It says ALL above plans are subject to FUP. So I really don't know what's going on but I HOPE YOU'RE RIGHT!

With regards to your connection, im surprised you got a significant improvement on your line stats. Something to be happy about! You have a good SNr for a relatively long cable. I assume you're connected to a large CO. I think you should be able to get 6 at least if not 8. Email ccu and ask them to do a feasibility test on your line to see if you can get a higher speed. Ironically I have better numbers than yours and can't get more than 4..

Last edited by andrew55 (June 28 2014)

NickTheQuick

Member

Re: Internet in Lebanon - General Questions

Dear IDM,
The new ADSL plan list is great. Congratulations!
I’d like to be transitioned to the 4 mbps/50 GB plan if that’s the maximum speed I can get.
I also have three more questions:
1-      Will the FUP be only applied to ALL plans or just the unlimited plans?
2-      What is the GB limit at which FUP will applied?
3-      Will there still be unlimited nights (11-7)?
Your advice is appreciated.
Thank you!
Andrew

Reply:

Dear Mr. Assaf,

 

Thank you for your email.

 

Please be informed that we will process with your upgrade request as you stated below at the end of this month .

Moreover, please note that the night free traffic will remain from 11 pm till 7 am . As for the Fair use policy , it will be applicable for all plans as mentioned on IDM website.

 

Regards,

I don't get it! what's the point of FUP for limited plans? they are limited! every extra GB will be paid !

andrew55

Member

Re: Internet in Lebanon - General Questions

Well neither do I .. they also had 2 stars next to the unlimited plans indicating FUP will be applied to those only.. the next day they took them off.. anyway.. time will tell..

NickTheQuick

Member

Re: Internet in Lebanon - General Questions

Well neither do I .. they also had 2 stars next to the unlimited plans indicating FUP will be applied to those only.. the next day they took them off.. anyway.. time will tell..

yes i noticed that and i pointed it out to the tech guy who asked me to hold (i guess he asked someone who "really" knows) then he reassured me that the night quota won't be affected. somehow i am optimistic.

Adnan

Member

Re: Internet in Lebanon - General Questions

I think that the FUP on the limited plans applies on downloading during the unlimited period aka free night traffic.

Ramnesia

Member

Re: Internet in Lebanon - General Questions

These are my stats.
After we know about the free night quota issue, I want to upgrade to 6-8Mbps, shouldn't my max upload rate be more than 556Kbps.

Modulation: ADSL2 PLUS
       
Annex Mode: ANNEX_A

SNR Margin(Down/Up) 42.3     / 28.5 db

Line Attenuation(Down/Up) 17.6 / 11.9    db

Data Rate(Down/Up) 2048 /     509    kbps

Max Rate(Down/Up)  25560     / 556 kbps

Johnaudi

Member

Re: Internet in Lebanon - General Questions

I don't get it! what's the point of FUP for limited plans? they are limited! every extra GB will be paid !

You don't understand. The FUP applies between 11pm-7am, at this point the internet is unlimited, so once you download above the FUPs GB limitation, your speed will tremendously decrease.

NuclearVision

Member

Re: Internet in Lebanon - General Questions

Even then it wouldn't make sense, they should throttle the speed only in the 11-7 period.
In The other period, every extra gb is paid.
However I've never heard about fup for limited plans.

andrew55

Member

Re: Internet in Lebanon - General Questions

And what's the GB limit during night time? I'm still looking for an answer..

@Ramnesia your stats are excellent. Not too sure about the upload speeds but the majority of people are limited to 512.. adsl2+ reaches 1.4 anyway..

Johnaudi

Member

Re: Internet in Lebanon - General Questions

Even then it wouldn't make sense, they should throttle the speed only in the 11-7 period.
In The other period, every extra gb is paid.
However I've never heard about fup for limited plans.

Cyberia has FUP on all plans as well.

I once downloaded over 6GB+ between 11-7, a few days later the speed became 30-60kb/s (only between 11-7) from its usual 230kb/s.

But after two nights, the connection speed became normal again in that period.

Ramnesia

Member

Re: Internet in Lebanon - General Questions

I just tried the adsl1 trick and my ping went from 93ms to 78ms and the max up rate went to 1216kbps.

Last edited by Ramnesia (June 28 2014)

andrew55

Member

Re: Internet in Lebanon - General Questions

seems reasonable i guess.. well, relatively speaking that is..

@ramnesia speedtest.net or pings on command prompt?

Ramnesia

Member

Re: Internet in Lebanon - General Questions

Last edited by Ramnesia (June 28 2014)

andrew55

Member

Re: Internet in Lebanon - General Questions

yea i would compare pings on command prompt. more reliable.. ping bbc.co.uk and compare on both connections

Ramnesia

Member

Re: Internet in Lebanon - General Questions

this is on adsl ITU G.992.2    ADSL Lite (G.lite) the cons are for my router
Max Rate(Down/Up):4800     736    kbps

Ramnesia

Member

Re: Internet in Lebanon - General Questions

bbc.co.uk on ADSL Lite (G.lite)

Pinging bbc.co.uk [212.58.244.18] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 212.58.244.18: bytes=32 time=86ms TTL=48
Reply from 212.58.244.18: bytes=32 time=85ms TTL=48
Reply from 212.58.244.18: bytes=32 time=85ms TTL=48
Reply from 212.58.244.18: bytes=32 time=88ms TTL=48

Ping statistics for 212.58.244.18:
    Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
    Minimum = 85ms, Maximum = 88ms, Average = 86ms

andrew55

Member

Re: Internet in Lebanon - General Questions

try G.dmt instead of G.lite and see what you get

Ramnesia

Member

Re: Internet in Lebanon - General Questions

G.dmt

Pinging bbc.co.uk [212.58.246.103] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 212.58.246.103: bytes=32 time=98ms TTL=49
Reply from 212.58.246.103: bytes=32 time=95ms TTL=49
Reply from 212.58.246.103: bytes=32 time=94ms TTL=49
Reply from 212.58.246.103: bytes=32 time=94ms TTL=49

Ping statistics for 212.58.246.103:
    Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
    Minimum = 94ms, Maximum = 98ms, Average = 95ms

andrew55

Member

Re: Internet in Lebanon - General Questions

yea makes sense. G.lite will give you a better ping if in fact the DSLAM accepts it (not all will) but the problem with G.lite is the reduced speed. it's up to you to use whichever connection you prefer but if you want to upgrade to a higher speed i suggest you leave it on regular adsl (dmt) or adsl2+ just b/c i don't really know how Lebanese ISPs test how much speed your line can handle.. they might read your modem stats and check your CO (if someone knows more about this please correct me).

Last edited by andrew55 (June 28 2014)

Ramnesia

Member

Re: Internet in Lebanon - General Questions

yeah as you said, when i upgrade i will leave it on adsl dmt , i am going to use the G.lite only with online games.

andrew55

Member

Re: Internet in Lebanon - General Questions

Good idea.

NickTheQuick

Member

Re: Internet in Lebanon - General Questions

yea makes sense. G.lite will give you a better ping if in fact the DSLAM accepts it (not all will) but the problem with G.lite is the reduced speed. it's up to you to use whichever connection you prefer but if you want to upgrade to a higher speed i suggest you leave it on regular adsl (dmt) or adsl2+ just b/c i don't know really know how lebanese ISPs test how much speed your line can handle.. they might read your modem stats and check your CO (if someone knows more about this please correct me).

I second what Andrew said. take me for an example (one of my previous posts) when syncing to ADSL1 my isp told me my line can't handle more than 4mbps, when back to ADSL2+ they told me It can handle 6 mbps. So I suggest you call your isp in both cases and see what they tell you. I'm thinking of syncing back to ADSL1 after I get my 6mbps plan. hope it works without any problems or connection timeouts ! any expert advice would be much appreciated.

sailor

Member

Re: Internet in Lebanon - General Questions

Dear Mr. Smith,

We would like to thank you  for your email, and propose to you the below suitable plans :

IDM New Plans
Plan
Speed
GB
Price
2048_10
2048
10
$12.00
2048_40
2048
40
$16.00
2048_45
2048
45
$19.00
2048_50
2048
50
$25.00
2048_UL
2048
Unlimited
$50.00

On the other hand, please be informed that upgrading your account to 4M, cannot be processed for the time being, due to technical limitations where all upgrades from the side of the Ministry have not been completed yet. We will inform you whenever the change speed can be processed in order to proceed accordingly.

Awaiting your confirmation, in order to proceed accordingly,

Sincerely,