Whattttt!! hold on, how much do you download? is 60GB enough for you? how many people use it in the house? you probably have the best ping in lebanon! how often do game??
hkbazzi wroteWhattttt!! hold on, how much do you download? is 60GB enough for you? how many people use it in the house? you probably have the best ping in lebanon! how often do game??
Its normal ping on ogero.
john wrote
hkbazzi wroteWhattttt!! hold on, how much do you download? is 60GB enough for you? how many people use it in the house? you probably have the best ping in lebanon! how often do game??
Its normal ping on ogero.
would i get the same ping with the 2MB unlimited plan?
hkbazzi man it doesn't matter if you switch to ogero, the base ping on DSL is dependent on the quality of your phone line and the DSLAM router combo.. what makes him get ~65ms is that his line is too good so interleaving is reduced on the line automatically thus lowering his ping by 30 to 40ms so your 105ms figure is very good if your line is weak. geographical location doesn't matter as well only ~5-10ms difference the main thing is the interleaving. from exactly the same place 2Mb from Ogero one of my lines has 65ms to europe the other 100ms the first one has interleaving disabled.

no nothing changes between internet line and phone line cause they are the same,i think the first just has no number attached.
DNA wrotehkbazzi man it doesn't matter if you switch to ogero, the base ping on DSL is dependent on the quality of your phone line and the DSLAM router combo.. what makes him get ~65ms is that his line is too good so interleaving is reduced on the line automatically thus lowering his ping by 30 to 40ms so your 105ms figure is very good if your line is weak. geographical location doesn't matter as well only ~5-10ms difference the main thing is the interleaving. from exactly the same place 2Mb from Ogero one of my lines has 65ms to europe the other 100ms the first one has interleaving disabled.

no nothing changes between internet line and phone line cause they are the same,i think the first just has no number attached.

so it doenst matter if i get adsl from ogero cyberia idm its all the same ping, its just based on the quality of my own line?
if you are getting more than 110ms to europe than it DOES matter which isp you choose, but as long as its like 110ms and below nothing will drastically change if you are still on the same phone line

edit: you can test your interleaving latency yourself, just do a "tracert" to any ip and the first hop after your router's ip is mostly due to interleaving so if the number is for example 40ms then of your overall latency around 35ms is because of error correction. post your tracert if you like
DNA wroteif you are getting more than 110ms to europe than it DOES matter which isp you choose, but as long as its like 110ms and below nothing will drastically change if you are still on the same phone line

edit: you can test your interleaving latency yourself, just do a "tracert" to any ip and the first hop after your router's ip is mostly due to interleaving so if the number is for example 40ms then of your overall latency around 35ms is because of error correction. post your tracert if you like

ping google.com

Pinging google.com [216.58.210.78] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 216.58.210.78: bytes=32 time=165ms TTL=49
Reply from 216.58.210.78: bytes=32 time=456ms TTL=49
Reply from 216.58.210.78: bytes=32 time=473ms TTL=49
Reply from 216.58.210.78: bytes=32 time=142ms TTL=49

Ping statistics for 216.58.210.78:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 142ms, Maximum = 473ms, Average = 309ms



Tracing route to lhr14s24-in-f14.1e100.net [216.58.210.78]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 7 ms 11 ms 11 ms 10.1.1.1
2 85 ms 87 ms 123 ms 10.2.1.10
3 86 ms 87 ms 88 ms 10.2.6.254
4 70 ms 108 ms 77 ms 10.2.6.254
5 92 ms 77 ms 93 ms 172.16.101.222
6 82 ms 92 ms 87 ms 192.167.5.5
7 84 ms 88 ms 87 ms 192.167.5.6
8 86 ms 88 ms 78 ms 10.40.40.8
9 84 ms 87 ms 87 ms rev-212-98-135-121.terra.net.lb [212.98.135.121]

10 82 ms 93 ms 92 ms 172.16.41.17
11 139 ms 152 ms 117 ms 212.73.241.85
12 141 ms 152 ms 142 ms ae-0-11.bar1.Milan1.Level3.net [4.69.142.189]
13 139 ms 137 ms 138 ms 72.14.243.102
14 130 ms 117 ms 117 ms 216.239.47.128
15 165 ms 142 ms 143 ms 72.14.232.78
16 146 ms 147 ms 148 ms 216.239.40.210
17 151 ms 153 ms 137 ms 216.239.40.216
18 145 ms 162 ms 147 ms 216.239.48.85
19 145 ms 147 ms 148 ms 216.239.51.4
20 141 ms 153 ms 152 ms 72.14.238.185
21 154 ms 158 ms 157 ms lhr14s24-in-f14.1e100.net [216.58.210.78]

Trace complete.
that's google US server, can you please trace route to hi.fr
and if 10.1.1.1 is your router then you have serious issue 11ms is high ping to the router should be 1ms max 2ms on idle and ping to second hop is insanely high too
please post a tracert to hi.fr and confirm your router ip
Here's mine, I'm with ogero.

Tracing route to hi.fr [94.143.220.17]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 82 ms 99 ms 99 ms dsldevice.lan [192.168.1.254]
2 53 ms 50 ms 48 ms 77.42.129.79
3 50 ms 50 ms 50 ms 77.42.129.20
4 55 ms 58 ms 49 ms 192.168.111.2
5 97 ms 95 ms 95 ms 212.73.241.85
6 * 107 ms 104 ms ae-4-90.edge5.Frankfurt1.Level3.net [4.69.154.20
1]
7 * 104 ms 106 ms ae-4-90.edge5.Frankfurt1.Level3.net [4.69.154.20
1]
8 108 ms 110 ms 109 ms be3020.rcr21.fra06.atlas.cogentco.com [130.117.1
5.193]
9 110 ms 110 ms 108 ms be2304.ccr41.fra03.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.74
.73]
10 108 ms 107 ms 109 ms be2259.ccr41.par01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.62
.73]
11 106 ms 109 ms 109 ms be2471.rcr21.lys01.atlas.cogentco.com [130.117.4
9.38]
12 114 ms 110 ms 115 ms te0-0-2-0.rcr11.gnb01.atlas.cogentco.com [130.11
7.48.214]
13 113 ms 114 ms 110 ms nexthal.demarc.cogentco.com [130.117.21.194]
14 109 ms 108 ms 109 ms reverse.nexthal.com [94.143.220.17]

Trace complete.
Hey guys, could I get any help understanding what this actually means? Treat me like a simpleton please... Still new. Anyways here's mine:
Tracing route to hi.fr [94.143.220.17]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.16.1
2 37 ms 36 ms 36 ms 192.168.99.10
3 36 ms 37 ms 36 ms host-ip66-209-249-89.wise.net.lb [89.249.209.66]
4 36 ms 35 ms 35 ms host-ip5-209-249-89.wise.net.lb [89.249.209.5]
5 * * * Request timed out.
6 90 ms 92 ms 92 ms 212.73.241.85
7 * * * Request timed out.
8 * * * Request timed out.
9 98 ms 94 ms 94 ms be3020.rcr21.fra06.atlas.cogentco.com [130.117.15.193]
10 97 ms 95 ms 98 ms be2305.ccr42.fra03.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.74.77]
11 95 ms 96 ms 96 ms be2278.ccr42.par01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.62.77]
12 94 ms 96 ms 95 ms be2472.rcr21.lys01.atlas.cogentco.com [130.117.49.122]
13 98 ms 94 ms 96 ms te0-0-2-0.rcr11.gnb01.atlas.cogentco.com [130.117.48.214]
14 93 ms 110 ms 95 ms nexthal.demarc.cogentco.com [130.117.21.194]
15 95 ms 94 ms 97 ms reverse.nexthal.com [94.143.220.17]

Trace complete.
DNA wrotethat's google US server, can you please trace route to hi.fr
and if 10.1.1.1 is your router then you have serious issue 11ms is high ping to the router should be 1ms max 2ms on idle and ping to second hop is insanely high too
please post a tracert to hi.fr and confirm your router ip
This is the ifly from terranet 2mbps, im getting ADSL im just confused which ISP should i go with. I really want a good download speed with a bunch of GBs i can do a 60GB limit WITH free night download. But!!! I play online and i need a better stable ping than my current one (140-150ms) im really intrigued by IDM from what i hear people tell me about it but ping not so much i dont know if its from the people i know or the fact idm is taking from ogero. My options are either
- 2mbps unlimited from ogero (sacrificing speed for ping yet there r games now that demand a 1mbps upload)
- 6mbps 60GB ogero (worrying about every single download i do or how much i play)
- 6mbps 60GB from either idm cyberia etc these guys with free night download (taking the chance of unstable ping and FUP)

So if anyone else can help me out here please do! Everyone's input is much appreciated!
hkbazzi wrote
DNA wrotethat's google US server, can you please trace route to hi.fr
and if 10.1.1.1 is your router then you have serious issue 11ms is high ping to the router should be 1ms max 2ms on idle and ping to second hop is insanely high too
please post a tracert to hi.fr and confirm your router ip
This is the ifly from terranet 2mbps, im getting ADSL im just confused which ISP should i go with. I really want a good download speed with a bunch of GBs i can do a 60GB limit WITH free night download. But!!! I play online and i need a better stable ping than my current one (140-150ms) im really intrigued by IDM from what i hear people tell me about it but ping not so much i dont know if its from the people i know or the fact idm is taking from ogero. My options are either
- 2mbps unlimited from ogero (sacrificing speed for ping yet there r games now that demand a 1mbps upload)
- 6mbps 60GB ogero (worrying about every single download i do or how much i play)
- 6mbps 60GB from either idm cyberia etc these guys with free night download (taking the chance of unstable ping and FUP)

So if anyone else can help me out here please do!
I'm subscribed to Terranet's 8Mbps 60 GB plan and I have no regrets whatsoever. I got the first 2 months for free and had to pay 58$ for the setup. I'm paying 43$ plus tax each month and can freeze my account, change my plan or cancel my subscription anytime I want through their website.

As for the speed and ping, I'm receiving around 6.70 Down and 0.80 Up at 33 ms (Beirut server). My house is really close to the "central" so results may vary for each household. Did I mention that I get free unlimited night traffic from 11:00 pm- 7:00 am.

Customer support is great and they're available 24/7. It took them 6 weeks to hookup my line compared to Ogero's 3 month waiting period.

All in all, I've been their customer for a bit over a year now and haven't encountered any issues yet. I would suggest you take a look at their website and choose whichever ISP suits you best.
hold on guys no point in pointing your route trace, i was just telling him just to confirm the additional latency by error corrections lol.. anyway
@hkbazzi ah i thought it was Dsl ,when i saw the route trace i got confused honestly almost 10 hops within lebanon nearly 100ms. i was gonna say that's the worst ISP you may ever be subscribed to, but now it's clear why.

@kazouza man yours is great although the router is adding almost 10ms for no reason. and 99ms to the router seems like a firmware bug or something. speedtouche aren't that great

@trollfatface man yours is great 3 routers at wise almost same ping that's good actually, the point of asking him to post this is to show him the effect of interleaving .. if you look at your trace you will see <1ms to your router and immediately it jumps to 36ms to second hop that's not because you are "far" from the central or isp.. lebanon is small even if you send a packet from north to south it only should take max 10ms considering all routing delays. so of this 36 ms almost 80% of it is because of error correction if it was disabled you would easily get ~60ms to this france. anyway here mine for reference 8 hops only. this is the perfect scenario to Hi.fr offcourse using Ogero.

1 2 ms 1 ms 1 ms 192.168.2.1
2 2 ms 1 ms 1 ms 192.168.1.1
3 41 ms 39 ms 40 ms 77.42.129.12
4 42 ms 41 ms 44 ms 77.42.129.2
5 40 ms 40 ms 39 ms 192.168.101.2
6 80 ms 81 ms 81 ms te0-7-0-1.ccr22.mrs01.atlas.cogentco.com [149.6.154.5]
7 84 ms 83 ms 84 ms be2474.rcr21.lys01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.36.58]
8 86 ms 85 ms 85 ms te0-0-2-0.rcr11.gnb01.atlas.cogentco.com [130.117.48.214]
9 89 ms 84 ms 84 ms nexthal.demarc.cogentco.com [130.117.21.194]
10 87 ms 84 ms 85 ms reverse.nexthal.com [94.143.220.17]
Thank @DNA for this info! I thought that having fifteen hops was bad and that's why I got interested in the issue. Another question though: do you think the latency would drop for sure if we were to switch completely to fiber optics instead of copper wire? I ask this because it is mentioned on Lebanon's internet page on Wikipedia along with the fact that it should take until 2018 for full implementation. Being a Lebanese citizen, I know that 2018≈2022.But still, I would like to know if it has an effect on latency and how?
P.S. I wish I'd chosen trollfatface as a username... Much nicer than trollfatguy.
DNA wrote@kazouza man yours is great although the router is adding almost 10ms for no reason. and 99ms to the router seems like a firmware bug or something. speedtouche aren't that great
What's weird though is that if I ping or trace my router directly, it's at 1ms. Do you think it might be affecting my latency in any way?


Pinging 192.168.1.254 with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 192.168.1.254: bytes=32 time=1ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.1.254: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.1.254: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.1.254: bytes=32 time=1ms TTL=64

Ping statistics for 192.168.1.254:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 0ms, Maximum = 1ms, Average = 0ms


Tracing route to dsldevice.lan [192.168.1.254]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms dsldevice.lan [192.168.1.254]

Trace complete.
TrollFatGuy wroteThank @DNA for this info! I thought that having fifteen hops was bad and that's why I got interested in the issue. Another question though: do you think the latency would drop for sure if we were to switch completely to fiber optics instead of copper wire? I ask this because it is mentioned on Lebanon's internet page on Wikipedia along with the fact that it should take until 2018 for full implementation. Being a Lebanese citizen, I know that 2018≈2022.But still, I would like to know if it has an effect on latency and how?
P.S. I wish I'd chosen trollfatface as a username... Much nicer than trollfatguy.
i am sorry i misread your nickname,but glad you liked it (:
actually as long as the hops are through international ISPs its not that bad.. but if the hops are local through congested cheap links and equipment then it clearly will cause problems.
regarding the switch to fiber, its a guaranteed 30ms ping reduction over dsl..the minimum ping possible to France anyway is ~55ms
even if you could plug the IMEWE directly to your PC you would still get ~45ms.

@kazouza no it's not causing any issues at all, just a weird glitch

i have a question that i hope a member working at an ISP would answer, why is the internet from several ip pools routed through italy and then france and not directly to France through Marseilles.. that's a really terrible route through Sicily whats the reason for that? is it because of cheaper level3 IP blocks?
Kazouza wrote What's weird though is that if I ping or trace my router directly, it's at 1ms. Do you think it might be affecting my latency in any way?
Tracing route to dsldevice.lan [192.168.1.254]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms dsldevice.lan [192.168.1.254]
Trace complete.
Tracing your router is the first hop and it should show 1ms "and that is not a problem" .. latency is measured by "milliseconds (ms)" and most of us have a latency of 100ms to Europe servers .. when you trace a certain site or IP you are looking at how many nodes or hops your connection is passing through before contacting that server .. your latency is affected with how many hops and how far each hop is from each other.
To make it easier imagine that your connection is a taxi .. as you ping to somewhere it will take you through routes and depending on how far and how much traffic there is it will give you a time .. thus the trace will hop to your router first and a 1ms is a good ping
@NAM no man he was talking about the 99ms he got in a previous post,i am sure no one would complain about 1ms lol
it sounds like a firmware glitch , dunno if someone has an explanation to why its showing 99ms if the router is not pinged directly
DNA wrote@NAM no man he was talking about the 99ms he got in a previous post,i am sure no one would complain about 1ms lol
it sounds like a firmware glitch , dunno if someone has an explanation to why its showing 99ms if the router is not pinged directly
Yep, what he said :P