and #ontornet.org is on - let's upload l zeer mn l bir

mir · 2011-03-22T09:51:34+00:00

Hello guys, As you remember in this topic http://www.lebgeeks.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=8218 and after a major piss off about the IMEWE cable around new...

hussam

What does "l zeer mn l bir" mean?

dan961

thanks for all the effort you've put into this movement man!

Dude mir is for mireille :P

mir

thanks imad for the nice words :) you might check out our call for volunteers :)
If you can spare some time here and there and wanna help : http://blog.ontornet.org/?p=132

dan : lool thanks for clarifying - there are countless times when i get mistaken for a dude ;p i am fine with it now

in other updates - NewTV - News did a report with the Ontornet team :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pq18JEQ2bfo

Also we are scheduling meetings with Minister, Ogero and TRA
Minister Appointment was approved. The meeting will take place on Wednesday May 18, at 10 in the morning.

Now here comes your part, as we will be asking Minister Charbel Nahhas several questions to try our best to shape an opinion about the Internet situation in Lebanon, we also want you to submit your own questions here
http://blog.ontornet.org/?p=158

Looking fwd for your questions :)

XhacK

mir wrotethanks imad for the nice words :) you might check out our call for volunteers :)
If you can spare some time here and there and wanna help : http://blog.ontornet.org/?p=132

dan : lool thanks for clarifying - there are countless times when i get mistaken for a dude ;p i am fine with it now

in other updates - NewTV - News did a report with the Ontornet team :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pq18JEQ2bfo

Also we are scheduling meetings with Minister, Ogero and TRA
Minister Appointment was approved. The meeting will take place on Wednesday May 18, at 10 in the morning.

Now here comes your part, as we will be asking Minister Charbel Nahhas several questions to try our best to shape an opinion about the Internet situation in Lebanon, we also want you to submit your own questions here
http://blog.ontornet.org/?p=158

Looking fwd for your questions :)

Cool, added to my "Watch list". I need to "Ontor" till 11 pm to watch it! ;-)

Tarek

is ontornet the same campaign of Mobi ( the broadband thingy?)

jsaade

Tarek wroteis ontornet the same campaign of Mobi ( the broadband thingy?)

no, OntorNet is lead by individuals not by any other business/corporation/

Tarek

yeah like the broadband campaing says

jsaade

Tarek wroteyeah like the broadband campaing says

It is a bit different if you know mireille raad and the people behind it.
there was a meeting for discussion before ontornet was established with lebgeeks members.

I cannot speak for them but I think OntorNet are doing their best to keep their campaign away from companies and politics and focus only on solutions to problems without blaming any specific side. They do not own any ISP to lose money if a specific technology (3G) was launched instead of another (DSL), they are only seeking and posting answers.

I am waiting now for their post as they have an interview today with the minister of telecom in the hope of having some answers.

Aly

Looking forward to hear how was your Interview with Nahhas Today.

monkey-d-luffy

MINUTES OF MEETING WITH MINISTER: PART I
INTERVIEW
First of all, thanks to everyone who supported us, and who provided us with questions to ask to the Telecom Minister Charbel Nahhas. Due to time limitation, we were unable to revert all questions to him, nevertheless we made sure that the most “in demand” questions were asked, and tried as much as possible to get answers.

ONTORNET MEETING WITH TELECOM MINISTER CHARBEL NAHHAS
Moreover, there will be another post tomorrow about the notes we have taken during our meeting with the minister in order to cover everything that was talked about, however for now, and because we know that everyone is eager to know about 3G tariffs & packages, we thought we’d share a quick post and let you know some good news. In addition, we will also shed light on what will happen with DSL once 3G is launched in Lebanon in this post. Stay tuned for the second part will include more details about the “Whys” that stand behind our current condition, the problems we’re facing in addition to the current organizational structure regarding the TRA, Ogero and MoT. Please be patient, the sleaze is tomorrow, and remember that we’re just quoting one of the key persons involved in our Ontornet situation, nothing being said has any intent other than informative and doesn’t by any mean express our opinions when such are expressed by the Minister.

Ontornet: How will 3G’s launch effect the DSL usage in Lebanon?

Minister Charbel Nahhas: People will move from DSL to 3G once 3G is available especially because it can also be used on our laptops. DSL is more usable in services & areas which 3G cannot cover such as universities, hospitals and corporations. Currently, DSL needs good capacity and a transmission network. Lebanon divided into regions receiving transmission (it will be elaborated upon in tomorrow’s post)

Ontornet: What can you tell us about 3G Tariffs & Packages?

Minister Charbel Nahhas: There is a difference between marketed speed and actual speed (much less than marketed), and the ministry is aware of this. In 3G, suppose the marketed speed is 21 or 42 mbps, even when there will be a huge load and as it is shared, the actual speed could drops for example to 2mbps due to sharing, however it is still a great improvement from the 0.1mbps that we receive in our homes today.

TELECOM MINISTER CHARBEL NAHHAS
Minister Charbel Nahhas: We can’t give unlimited connection, because it might lead to uncontrolable consequences.

Minister Charbel Nahhas: We are working on several packages with specific speed and capacity, moreover for now we don’t have a capacity issue until 2 years ahead, the problem lies in the prices. The cost is divided between the international capacity and the main depreciation of the equipment, in addition it depends on the quantity of users that will register in this service.

Minister Charbel Nahhas: Usually worldwide the cost of 3G is 2 times higher than DSL.

Minister Charbel Nahhas pointed out that the prices for GPRS are illogical and don’t make sense, he said they will not be pricing 3G in proportion to the current GPRS prices. Instead he indicated, while gesturing a balance with his hands, that the 3G prices will be very competitive with DSL, just a bit higher. And once people will start subscribing to 3G more and more, DSL prices are bound to drop. He added that if all goes according to plan the 3G service will be available by September 2011.

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In 3G, suppose the marketed speed is 21 or 42 mbps, even when there will be a huge load and as it is shared, the actual speed could drops for example to 2mbps due to sharing, however it is still a great improvement from the 0.1mbps that we receive in our homes today.

People will move from DSL to 3G once 3G is available especially because it can also be used on our laptops.

We can’t give unlimited connection, because it might lead to uncontrolable consequences.

Usually worldwide the cost of 3G is 2 times higher than DSL.

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vengeance666

so what i understand is that 3G simply replacing wired connections ? oh boy...this ain't going to be any pretty

The-MMMs

2 mb/s eh at being usually twice the price of DSL / lol ?

... moving on

Hope that a alot of people will go for it, that way Ogero will be pressured to either decrease their prices, or even give more bandwidth

I was hoping that GPRS would actually decrease or be available at least for people without a contract; doesn't seem to be the case either.

At any rate, things will stay the same, and latency WILL stay high :/

I don't understand why we can't have our own backbone for a connection, they have one in Africa for crying out load.

Hybrid

lol, so when the download speed drops to 2mbps due to the connection being shared, does that mean that the latency in online games will jump to 100000000000 ms?

Raficoo

When I was in Poland, using 3.5G dongle on my laptop, playing games online on near-by servers gave me a ping of 60-100ms. So it's not a matter of "It's wireless = no way to play any game", it depends on the local quality of the whole system.

jsaade

I did not understand anything about bandwidth?
can it be 2mbps for 2GB/month?
He mentioned that there will be no unlimited account.
He also mentioned that bandwidth is expensive, is it as expensive as DSL? probably more.

The-MMMs

ZeRaW wroteHe also mentioned that bandwidth is expensive, is it as expensive as DSL? probably more.

He indirectly said that it ill be more expensive than DSL

With his "in some places 3G is twice the price for DSL" statement

Well i mean why else would have he said it ?

nuclearcat

More expensive than current DSL prices or new DSL prices?

Raficoo

nuclearcat wroteMore expensive than current DSL prices or new DSL prices?

new DSL prices? what new DSL prices? o.O

xazbrat

The reason that there won't be any unlimited packages is that the MoT and treasury are afraid that neighborhood internet guys would start distributing in their neighborhoods thereby depriving the government of revenue. In addition, without the IMEWE cable operational, that act would put a big strain on the 3G network.

In any case, it doesn't appear that the final improvement will happen until the end of next year; hopefully something tangible happens before then.

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