Iphone4 VS Nexus S VS Galaxy S 2 VS Optimus 3D VS Optimus 2X

m0ei

Kassem wrote
m0ei wrotewindows SUCKS.
Typical from an Apple fanboy :) Care to explain why you think so? Please don't get into the security issues BS because you cannot prove that Linux or Mac aren't prone to security exploits as well. If you got anything else to support your allegations please enlighten us.

ofcourse everything is related to security, from my point of view and i don't know about you. I didn't say Mac and Linux are bugs free and i didn't say Windows is bugs full, what i'm saying the number of bugs and exploits towards windows is WAY WAY WAY bigger than the ones on other OSes.
Look i'm on a Hacking Team called " 0ff3ns1v3 " we just find bugs on softwares even on iOS and Android, we started now on reverse engineering the Android Applications. So i'm just giving you a brief explanation of what i do, but that's just like 5% of what we do in this team.
You say your a developer, you should care more about security then the other because of cracking your application, exploiting your application to take over the PC.
Just do a fast google search and see the enormous amount of Stealer/Trojans/Bots/Worms, exploits and lots of other problem.
Jailbreaking an iPhone is done because of a bug like the PDF exploits for iOS 4.

Security issues is on all types of OSes but it's available on Windows in an enormous way.

I''m really not saying that Android sucks, i'm saying that i prefer iOS and the iPhone for some reason i listed and some other reasons. I love HTC or Motorolla but i really hate Samsung and LG ( for some reasons ) but still i prefer Apple over other products, that's my point of view.

Bij

I still cant see why owning an iphone is show off. I paid 800$ for mine here in Lebanon, while the older HTC Desire still cost 700$ from the same supplier. I am not an Apple fanboy, a hot-hearted developper that loves some language or platform or the kind of person that shows off with a phone... I just "prefered" iPhone over android. It goes down to personnal preference. I still can't see why an iPhone owner is always labeled as a rich show off. As usual mobile topics will drag to a bunch of non-constructive fanboy trolling, here and everyother forum, blog comments space...
@kassem
You are right, benchmarks and specs prove near-future android phones are better. Dnt forget the iPhone one year update cycle. On the other hand I think that it does go down to personnal preference. Most consumers dont look at spec sheets and OS structure and openness before they buy. They use it for some minutes, check the look and feel and decide. m0ei preferred iOS because of some specific tasks he needed. No platform is kicking the other's ass. They're all making bank, which makes u as a dev happy. Most devs that hate a platform and like the other develop for both to make more money.

Kassem

I currently do not develop mobile applications, although I played with Objective-C a few weeks ago. To be honest, I did not like the the syntax of the language, but I liked the way Apple comments out functions they know will most likely be used in the majority projects (so basically they do the grounds work for you so you could focus on your application's specific requirements). But the problem with Apple is that their platforms are completely closed. The claim this is because of "performance issues", but the way I see it is because they're trying to say "we are better than everyone else". It's their right though, that's their business model and it's working for them (they're making millions of $'s after all, right?).

Now that Nokia will be using WP7, that's some major good news for me, because I've invested a lot of time learning .NET and soon enough I'll dig into Silverlight and WPF. The good thing is, more adoption of WP7 by several manufacturer's means a bigger market to target which could result in more profits for me as a developer.

In addition to all that, Adobe is doing a great job to make Flash Professional and Flex/AIR a great environment for mobile developers. You create the app and then publish it for Blackberry, Android and the iPhone. If you remember right, earlier last year and right before Flash CS5 was about to be released, Apple decided to ban iPhone apps that were developed using Flash from going onto the AppStore. That was some sleazy decision by Apple. They thought by doing this they're going to put Adobe out of business (or at least hit them hard). But a few months later, they were obliged to revoke the ban. Why? Simply because many developers started building Android apps and Android started eating the market - literally. So, what happened about the "performance issues" which were the reason why Apple banned Flash apps from being published on the AppStore? I'll leave that question to you to answer :)

Bij wroteAs usual mobile topics will drag to a bunch of non-constructive fanboy trolling, here and everyother forum, blog comments space...

That is exactly what we should try to avoid. This is why I'm asking m0ei and everyone else to put their emotions and personal preferences aside and look at the spec-sheets and try to come up with objective conclusions.

mezin

1) I paid 150 dollars for my iPhone 4 ... The only
Problem I have with it is the antennagate but the signal never drops below a functional level and I have a case for it so it's not really an issue

2) I used to be a huge windows fan (you can ask Samer or check the old posts in the forum)

After one and two I am now not part of what you consider an apple fanboy so let me
Give you my experience. I love android and I think it has a lot of interesting things to offer and my next phone could be an android. I would never think of owning an iPhone that is not jailbreakable simply because apple doesn't include a lot of features because of stability issues and because they are control freaks. But you can't deny that an unjailbroken iOS is very stable. For the iPad I think it's the most useless piece of shit and that iOS is definitely not pad material and in that domain honeycomb is for now (hoping ipad2 will level things with a new os) far superior. But there is still no denying that apple was the one who revolutionized the mobile phone industy and android took a lot from iOS much like windows did with Mac.

As for windows. Six months ago I got an iMac and the first thing I did was Install windows on it ... My friend is a apple fanboy and kept telling me how windows is useless and I kept defending it up until my bluescreen of Death and now I cannot go into windows anymore and I really don't care because Mac os is much faster and much more reliable and there is no denying that

What I'm getting at is that in your quest to identify apple fanboys you guys are becoming google
And Microsoft fanboys yourselves... So to each is own and give credit where it's due. And quantity does not imply quality..

m0ei

Apple decided to ban iPhone apps that were developed using Flash from going onto the AppStore. That was some sleazy decision by Apple. They thought by doing this they're going to put Adobe out of business (or at least hit them hard).

Apple banned flash because they want to replace it with HTML5. And definitely HTML5 is way better than Flash.

Kassem

No one denies that Apple products are very stable. Why? Because they manufacture the hardware AND they create the software for it. Which is very different from other manufacturers and software producers (like Microsoft for example). It would be illogical from your part (not you, I mean anyone) to expect the same level of stability from others if they do not have the same control level over their products and the software to be installed on it.

The problem with Apple fanboys is that they thing Apple is God (metaphorically) and everything else is crap. If it weren't worth the money it costs it wouldn't have dominated the market for the past 2 decades, and people would've stopped buying it eventually. Just because you got a blue screen of death on your Windows doesn't make it a bad OS. I cannot remember the last time I had a Black Screen of Death on mine, maybe it was back when I first had Windows XP?

Windows is a good OS, Linux is a good OS, and so is Mac OSX. Heck even my HP laptop stopped over heating when I installed Mac OSX on it, so yeah it's an awesome OS (for several reasons). But again, let's give other OS's their credit as well and let's stop the trolling.

Kassem

m0ei wrote
Apple decided to ban iPhone apps that were developed using Flash from going onto the AppStore. That was some sleazy decision by Apple. They thought by doing this they're going to put Adobe out of business (or at least hit them hard).
Apple banned flash because they want to replace it with HTML5. And definitely HTML5 is way better than Flash.

:)

Ok that's the end of discussion between us. Once you start making sense, we could proceed with a mature discussion. Have it your way and let's get done with it.

haidcar

html5 is great but its still relatively new, all the ads, animations, videos... are flash based. apple shouldnt just ban adobe flash because they want to push html5, its not fair for the consumers.

mezin

Kassem wroteThe problem with Apple fanboys is that they thing Apple is God (metaphorically) and everything else is crap.

That's the problem with fanboys in general not just apple's

Kassem wroteIf it weren't worth the money it costs it wouldn't have dominated the market for the past 2 decades, and people would've stopped buying it eventually. Just because you got a blue screen of death on your Windows doesn't make it a bad OS. I cannot remember the last time I had a Black Screen of Death on mine, maybe it was back when I first had Windows XP?

are you talking about windows ? if yes then the reason it dominated the market has nothing to do wit the OS itself but rather with the business strategies of bill gates and his manipulation of the market and of the hardware manufacturers to force a monopoly, ask any MBA student about this. It's a fact.

Kassem wroteWindows is a good OS, Linux is a good OS, and so is Mac OSX. Heck even my HP laptop stopped over heating when I installed Mac OSX on it, so yeah it's an awesome OS (for several reasons). But again, let's give other OS's their credit as well and let's stop the trolling.

It's a good OS yes, it gets things done has a lot of software and is very common but as your HP laptop agrees ... mac OSX is much better :)

Kassem

unforgiven wroteare you talking about windows ? if yes then the reason it dominated the market has nothing to do wit the OS itself but rather with the business strategies of bill gates and his manipulation of the market and of the hardware manufacturers to force a monopoly, ask any MBA student about this. It's a fact.

That's actually true. But again, if it weren't actually worth it, and if it weren't a good OS, it wouldn't have persisted to be the dominant OS in the market until today.

unforgiven wroteIt's a good OS yes, it gets things done has a lot of software and is very common but as your HP laptop agrees ... mac OSX is much better :)

My HP laptop is dead! I bought a new Sony Vaio today and I'm excited about it :P But yeah, Mac OSX could be better than Windows (that's what most people say), I cannot be confirm this myself because my experience with Mac OSX was very minimal. The laptop died off like 10 days after installing Mac OSX (the OS wasn't the reason it died though, it was a graphics card issue). I might actually install Mac OSX on my new Sony inside a Virtual machine and give it a test drive.

Badieh

Well, the reason I like Windows is because it is user-friendly as well as most of the products merchandise goes on it, and I read one time that you find more exploits, bugs, Trojans, worms...etc on Windows than on Linux or other OS is related to the fact that most of the people use it making it more attractive for crackers and hackers.

Anyways, back to the topic, reading what you guys said, I'm pulled closer to getting an Iphone 4. Just one question, I did read that it had a network bug, more like death grip where if you hold it in some way, it loses connection. Is that still applicable to all the Iphone 4? or did they like release a new "version" fixing it?

mezin

Kassem wroteI might actually install Mac OSX on my new Sony inside a Virtual machine and give it a test drive.

you just made me consider testing out mac os on an old laptop i have that had a freezing problem :)

there is one final important point i want to highlight concerning developers. The reason developers are also keener on the iphone platform is that there is limited number of iphones. If you design an app for the iphone 4,it's gonna work on all iphone 4's. If you design for the android however there are lots of compatibility issues to consider since there are thousands of models.

OH and "iPhone 4 Wins “Best Mobile Device” Award at Mobile World Congress 2011" :)

haidcar

Show me and prove to me ANY SMARTPHONE IN THE WORLD THAT HAVE A BETTER TOUCHSCREEN than the iPhone touchscreen.

, samsung galaxy s (announced in march 3 months before the iphone 4), htc desirer HD, nexus s, droid x, motorola droid 2, htc desire z, htc evo... they are all on par with with iphone (some are even better) all of these phones are as good as the iphone (some are better), the next gen android phones are coming (dual core) in weeks. dont get me wrong i like apple but that doesnt mean i have to buy anything they make with prefix (i), the way i see it android will always be better because android phones are updated through out the year "hardware wise" while iphone are only updated once a year. google is driving innovations at really fast rate dual are just out and nvidia want to push quad core phones by the holiday season.

m0ei

haidcar wrote
Show me and prove to me ANY SMARTPHONE IN THE WORLD THAT HAVE A BETTER TOUCHSCREEN than the iPhone touchscreen.
, samsung galaxy s (announced in march 3 months before the iphone 4), htc desirer HD, nexus s, droid x, motorola droid 2, htc desire z, htc evo... they are all on par with with iphone (some are even better) all of these phones are as good as the iphone (some are better), the next gen android phones are coming (dual core) in weeks. dont get me wrong i like apple but that doesnt mean i have to buy anything they make with prefix (i), the way i see it android will always be better because android phones are updated through out the year "hardware wise" while iphone are only updated once a year. google is driving innovations at really fast rate dual are just out and nvidia want to push quad core phones by the holiday season.

Can you please stop this nonsense ?
Where the heck did you find that other smartphones Touchscreens are same or even better than the iPhone ?

That's a test but on the iPhone 3gs, Motorolla droid, Nexus one....
http://www.electronista.com/articles/10/03/24/robot.test.shows.apple.htc.best.at.touch.accuracy/
"Apple purchased FingerWorks a few years ago, because they had been developing top-notch multi-touch technology.."

Another thing, go ahead buy ANY LAPTOP IN THIS WORD, you can't even compare the Touchpad they have to the one Apple use in their Macbooks. Macbooks touchpad are like WAY WAY better than all laptops touchpad.
Same apply to the iPhone screens.

Well Android phones are updated more than once in a year because there is more than one company, and i doubt that you change your smartphone each time a new Android phone gets released. So you won't need to change more than 1 phone a year.

haidcar

its has nothing with to do with finger works , they only implement the finger gesture into the system, the test has to do with multi touch driver on the phone. all the above phones are first generation androids the nexus one, droid the htc eris. its not fair to compare a first generation product to third generation iphone 3gs. but take something like droid x the htc desire hd, droid x, they have prefect touch recognition. and the screen registers multi touch input very smoothly just like you would have on the iphone (all the mentioned phones above have excellent touch input).

as for laptop track pad wont argue apple is the best there.

as for the android update, its true people usually change there phone after 8-12 months. but if i want to buy an iPhone 4, its going to be a waste of money because in 4 months a new iphone is going to be announced. and the current iPhone will lose value. with android there is aways something new all around the year

Bij

@badieh
I've had the iPhone 4 since October. I dropped a call once when I intentionally short-circuited the antenna separator during a call. Both my rubber and plastic "covers" stop this from happening. Actually it was because of "antennagate" that I found out why my Nokia E52 used to drop calls in the same room, if i grip it it loses signal bars. Apple handled the situation wrong by showing that this is a problem with all phones, but still it's a fact. They should have done something more, recall the product or at least fix the design in the next batches, but their business is based on mass purchase of components, it would have hurt their billions of profit...

Bottom line is with a cover you're totally safe, without one just train yourself not to touch the small black strip on the left side of the phone if you ever decide to buy one. It's a device I'd personally recommend. Is it worth the money ? It's something you decide. For me, it was worth a big part of my savings.

jsaade

@haidcar actually it is in reverse, I am seeing Android devices release every month! and some are locked to certain firmwares which screw the users.
I am both an iphone and an android user, the UI in the iphone 3gs (which has a 667mhz CPU) is more responsive and smoother than my nexus s (which has a 1Ghz CPU). you can feel it in the apps, browser, menus.

The trick is hardware acceleration on the iOS. Android is more tricky to implement as you have different manufacturers with different hardware.

In addition the android OS compared to the iOS (I am comparing the latest android 2.3.2 to the latest iOS 4.2.1) is a bit buggy.
It feels as If it is still in Beta as it crashes most of the time especially the homescreen and widgets.
I have had more than 10 crashes on the android in 5days. On the other hand, I have had around 5 crashes on the iOS in over a year or so.

Badieh

Bij wrote@badieh
I've had the iPhone 4 since October. I dropped a call once when I intentionally short-circuited the antenna separator during a call. Both my rubber and plastic "covers" stop this from happening. Actually it was because of "antennagate" that I found out why my Nokia E52 used to drop calls in the same room, if i grip it it loses signal bars. Apple handled the situation wrong by showing that this is a problem with all phones, but still it's a fact. They should have done something more, recall the product or at least fix the design in the next batches, but their business is based on mass purchase of components, it would have hurt their billions of profit...

Bottom line is with a cover you're totally safe, without one just train yourself not to touch the small black strip on the left side of the phone if you ever decide to buy one. It's a device I'd personally recommend. Is it worth the money ? It's something you decide. For me, it was worth a big part of my savings.

Thanks for the reply, i thought it was much worse than that. You are totally right, I've wrapped my hands around my Nokia N70, and it started losing signal strength, so I guess it is an issue with all cell phones, but it was easier shown on the Iphone.

Now to find a good deal to buy :).

m0ei

i have an iPhone 4 and till now it never dropped a call.

Kassem

m0ei wrotei have an iPhone 4 and till now it never dropped a call.

In Lebanon? Yeah right :)

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