Some fresh news on the submarine cable connecting Lebanon

teodorgeorgiev · 2009-10-08T08:19:25+00:00

There is some news on the I-ME-WE project: 1. A new member has been accepted - TeleYemen, the incumbent operator of Yemen. 2. Lebanon's connectivity to the...

rolf

battikh wrotemessing with the prices doesn't require a budget from the government, therefore you do not require an approval from the finance minister.

Neither does liberalisation require a budget.

teodorgeorgiev wrote3.3. How comes the Minister of Finances and PM singed for those content controlling devices of Bassil , needed for blocking VoIP, Skype and
unappropriate websites (yes, politically unappropriate... ...)

Id like to know more about that

mir wrote... to agree, financing blablabla and ...

I wish instead of making speeches, politicians would go blablablalba, blablabla, etc.
At least they wouldnt be lying. It would actually be a step forward, I am sure.

battikh wrote^^ well, technically, we are still in a state of war with israel, there's just a ceasefire. so it's worse than a wound :P we're at war...
in europe, they are still imprisoning till today people who are found guilty for working with the nazis, for treason during ww2, ... and the war has been over for 60 years now, nazism is out, germany is democratic, ...
we're STILL at war with them, they are STILL there, they are STILL fucking with us, they are STILL occupying us, ... so it's more than a wound...

It takes 2 hands to clap

teodorgeorgiev wroteJubran Bassil has been doing illegal VoIP business with an ex-military Israely person (welll, indeed every Israeli, even the women have passed a military training). I have started to shout at this around Lebanon about May, as soon as I understood this by an accident.

That is interesting. I believe (and hopefully I am not dreaming) that there are some good journalists/people left at al-nahar / lorient-lejour, or other magazines which can get your story through. If not, then I am also interested in the details, and can forward them to some people I know in the journalism business. I cant guarantee anything except that, if your story is true I want it to be publicised. Maybe you are worried about consequences, but it may work in your favor in the short term, and of course in the favor of Lebanon.

battikh

dude, just look at ziad baroud. he's supposatly neutral, his political beliefs and standards are no where close to what we could dream of for lebanon, he has no one to try to please or whatever. from a political point of view, he's quiet free, he doesn't care about winning votes in elections or whatever.

what was he able to do based on his standards and political and social beliefs? exactly, almost nothing.
what was he able to do? put in action some laws like seatbelt and talking on the cellphone while driving?
they imposed on him an electoral law he disagrees with, that he HAD to approve, he just monitored the elections in a neutral way, that's the only thing he was able to do. he acted neutral. but decision making wise, what was he able to achieve? nothing. why? because politics are not the way you think they are. people who are in charge often cannot do whatever they want. you have a zillion other things that happen in the background.

i used the ziad baroud example because he's not 14th, nor 8th, so no need for anyone to be biased.

rolf

battikh wrotewhat was he able to do based on his standards and political and social beliefs? exactly, almost nothing.
what was he able to do? put in action some laws like seatbelt and talking on the cellphone while driving?

That sounds more then the achievements of the whole rest of the political class put together.
What did they achieve? tell me.

battikh

^^ u missed my point by ... a LOT

rolf

Respectfully,
1-Either youre off topic or you missed my point to start with (why did you mention ziad baroud? Who was the post adressed to anway?)
2-I dont need to get your point to contest what you say
3-Since I missed your point, why dont you clarify it to me?

Oh well, maybe you are referring to my comment about the budget. i was saying, if you have the authority to fool with prices, then you have the authority to loosen up the market, and lower connectivity prices. All these will affect state revenue but not require budget approval.

Anyway, I think this conversation will be fruitless, as we both do not seem to have sufficient proof to reach a solid, common conclusion.

What I think is really interesting here is theodorgeorgiev s allegations

battikh

it was for you and teo coz you both had this logic that "if he wants to do good, there's lots of stuff he could have done. as there are things we have in mind that he didn't do, therefore he never meant good and he's a crook". it's not as simple as that, and that's definitely not how lebanese politics work.

lowering connectivity prices without bringing more bandwidth cannot be good.
lowering prices --> more demand --> more customers sharing the same amount of total bandwidth --> crappier service

you cannot lower the prices if you don't bring in more bandwidth.
when they lowered the prices for cellphone communications, they released more numbers and increased the capacities of mtc and alfa to satisfy the increased demand.

and no need to reach a conclusion, i'm not trying to convince anyone about anything. all i was doing was saying that in lebanon, politics are not the utopic thing that many seem to think it is. many don't know how things happen, the procedures, who's responsible of what, what happens in the background, under the tables, ...

and for the basil and israel thing. i would also be glad to see the proof.
not saying that he wouldn't do it, who knows. but an advice, if teo wants to make it public and publish it somewhere, it'd better be well backed up with real proof, it should not be taken as lightly as you're making it sound. in lebanon calling someone an israeli traitor is not something taken lightly... if the proof ends up to be shaky and that the claims turns out to be wrong, he can be sued... it's not a subject that basil would let go and say "bleh, it's ok, he just said i was a traitor, who cares...".
and if the claims are true and there is real proof, then great, we can get rid of another asshole.

J4D

whats with the bassile and israel thing , teo present us with a\evidence and we will both go and take actions about that , as far as im concerned its complete Bull-shit . the same thing happened a while ago with the mobile industry . when the ppl were demanding cuts in the prices , and bassile could not give them that because there were not enough capacity on the network . the same is happening now . and guys all this talk will not do anything since we dont have specialized ppl in specialized ministries ! once we get CCE engineers in telecommunication doctors in health ETC ..... for all ministries and we stop the inclusion of religion as a base of our political system and the stupid ta2ef , trust me we will have the strongest internet in the region , the best hospitals and the best everything but hey , if generally all ppl are dumb what do you expect our politicians to be ? they are dumb too .

teodorgeorgiev

Guys,

whatever proof I provide, it won't be enough for you. You are living with eyes wide shut.

I can tell you from now what would you say even if you see all the proofs, you will still find something to excuse your lover :)
Since he was trading through local people, you would say - he had no way to know that he was dealing with an Israeli person,
or God knows what else...

Why no one of you has commented the missing dial-up number of VISP?

Here is the answer: cause it is so logical and clear, so self-explainable and it is really, really hard to defend Bassil, so u prefer to
skip it.

Here is the proof for you - black on white. We offer this service since May 2006. How comes suddenly the dial-up number has disappeared?
And exactly ours... ...

For God sake, what kind of a proof, more PROOFY than this one you want? A document signed by God, Allah and Buddha alltogether???

teodorgeorgiev

Another proof is that whilst Bassil is constantly repeating that there is no free bandwidth (in fact there is like 600Mbps free), he has given
an entire /24 network and a really good amount of Internet to his partner - Anthony Saba.

Kareem

Pardon my ignorance...what is wrong with the Barouk station? are you serious about Israel monitoring our activities ?

teodorgeorgiev

Man, no, of course - no. Israel is really powerful with all this jewish lobby all around the world. They monitor Lebanon in many ways and they can monitor even deeper if they intend to.

The case here is that jews are really bad people and any contact/trade with them has to be avoided if possible, not only for Lebanon (but Lebanon has a damn good reason to do that).

The barouk case (I am missing a lot of information on it) is nothing more than an illegal link to a close country where the Internet is really cheap
and available unlike Lebanon. Someone took the opportunity to make quick, dirty money. As far as I know, there has been a link to Cyprus - also stopped. The case is here that Bassil does not like any links than the one of Ogero in order to put entirely control over the Internet flow.

Still dealing with jews is not a good idea at all, it has nothing about politics. Just dealing with jews means - you will always get screwed.

Kareem

It is not about dealing with the jews. It is about a company that is providing me a very fast cheap reliable internet connection that can save me hours of work. Who cares where it comes from..

teodorgeorgiev

Well, who cares? The two-faced people of Lebanon.

I would ask Battikh, why does he uses putty, created by an Israeli programmer and by this putting his country and another arab country to a danger? This putty could send all passwords to the Israeli intelligence headquarters, quite logical.

Mir, what if your source of income is only the Internet company? Like yours now is programming. What if
the entire Internet capacity comes from Israel (well, Flag telecom is Israel, PCCWBTN is also full of Israeli engineers).... Khalas, stop working on your stuff, cause the Internet is Israeli and go work at KFC. Stand by your country!!! BUT YOU WON'T and you know that. You will keep downloading software via a link passing
under Israeli control, you will keep opening remote desktop, cause at the end of the month bills are waiting.

What if your family is looking into your eyes and hands, because there is no other source of income in the house? And all you know to do is networking - delivering Internet??? Ever thought of this???

Since you defend the laws that much, saying - not liking the law is not a reason for breaking it, then why
don't you delete all your illegal software you use to for work and buy a legal one? You know, not liking the
price of the software, or not being able to pay it does not justify its illegal use.

But it is easily for you to claim that dealing with Israel should be avoided at no matter cost. Yes, surely, as long as the cost is to be paid by someone else, not you.

Crazy, you with all your level of insolence and arrogance - you are speaking in this thread that the law
should be obeyed, no matter how hard is it... AND AFTER 5 MIN IN THE SAME FORUM YOU ARE POSTING
HOW YOU HAVE USED TO OVERCOME THE RULES of your unversity and playing WoW. WHERE IS YOUR
SHAME AND DIGNITY ?

Why don't you, people, look at your hard-drives full of illegal software?

All of your here, two-faced people, YOUR IS THE BLAME FOR THE BAROUK LINK, as much as it is to the people
who have installed it.

You are the most fierce enemies of your country! Yes, YOU, Not Israel!!!

Israel has bombed several times the country, destroying houses, killing people, polluting the air with
white posphorus shells.

But you, all of you.... you are helping them so much that they should not even bother.

You are driving on the roads like crazy creating opportunities for horrible accidents.
You are crossing the highways, putting your life (and others) in danger, whilst there is a passenger bridge nearby.
You pollute your own country by throwing trash on the streets, directly out of your cars.

DON'T YOU HAVE ANY SHAME AND FEAR?

WHEN FIRST YOU GOT JUDGED AND SENTENCED FOR ALL THE CRIMES YOU HAVE COMMITED AND PAY THEM OFF, THEN YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO JUDGE ON THE OTHERS !!!

Two-faced people reach nowhere! So Lebanon will. That is your doom - to see your country ruined by your own hands. And you know it, you know all this better than me. Just you hate yourself when you think of this
and you hate if someone spits the truth into your face.

Because you are attacking the weak and being afraid from the strong. No one of you was disgusted that
for 3 years no single Mbit of bandiwdth has been given to the private ISPs. No one protested. No one said - this is illegal, the ministers should visit the court.

That's why it is easier to put the blame on someone/something outside - be it Israel or Syria.

If Lebanon has decent Internet, no one would ever think to make a link to Israel. It is your fault that
Israel is not taking Internet from Lebanon and paying for this!

And do not protect yourself with "its the government". YOU ARE THE GOVERNMENT. All the people who work
in this government, they are either your relatives, neighbours, former classmates.

ALL OF YOU HERE, ATTACKING LIKE WOLVES ON A FALLEN ANIMAL VICTIM - May you get whatever you deserve. Not more, not less. There is justice. And part of this justice is the situation you are now in.

Samer, you better protect these people from further humilitation and lock the thread. Who knows, might be
someone of them will really understand the horror of his action and hang himself.
I won't reply more. I have said enough, as much as needed.

<admit edit: removed some obscenities>

rolf

teodorgeorgiev wroteGuys,

whatever proof I provide, it won't be enough for you. You are living with eyes wide shut.

I can tell you from now what would you say even if you see all the proofs, you will still find something to excuse your lover :)
Since he was trading through local people, you would say - he had no way to know that he was dealing with an Israeli person,
or God knows what else...

Why no one of you has commented the missing dial-up number of VISP?

You have to present things in the right way and be open for debate.

As for the missing dial up number, I do not comment because it is a minor issue in my opinion.

xterm

Geek rage!

battikh

<edit>just realized my reply is 1 page late didn't realize there was a 3rd page :P </edit>

@teo, i'm far from being a blind follower, and even if i am, i'm not an fpmer, actually, if fpmers could, they would hang me from my balls.

@kareem, barouk station was an illegal tower with an illegal internet link. officials say that the microwave antennas were directly directed towards the south of lebanon (on the south border there's just 1 neighbor, israel). some say that it was not, it was directed to cyprus. but in both cases, the guy who sold the link to lebanese is israeli. so there were concerns about this link and that it can easily be monitored by israel if traffic is routed through them. and well, doing business with israel or having any type of contact with an israeli is also illegal.
the bigger problem in this issue is that some people in the government (people who were historically close to israel) were trying to hide it, protect it and were refusing to send the case to court (the ministry of justice was the show stopper). it took like 6 months of fights between basil and ibrahim najjar to finally take legal actions.

Kareem

Yeah... +1 for Teo's post.

belal

Kareem

battikh wrote<edit>just realized my reply is 1 page late didn't realize there was a 3rd page :P </edit>

@kareem, barouk station was an illegal tower with an illegal internet link. officials say that the microwave antennas were directly directed towards the south of lebanon (on the south border there's just 1 neighbor, israel). some say that it was not, it was directed to cyprus. but in both cases, the guy who sold the link to lebanese is israeli. so there were concerns about this link and that it can easily be monitored by israel if traffic is routed through them. and well, doing business with israel or having any type of contact with an israeli is also illegal.
.

Do you really think that Israelis were monitoring the traffic ? Don't you think it is easier for them to monitor the traffic going through the legal links aka backbone. US gov can or is already monitoring everything we are doing.. Honestly, I dont think Israelis are that interested in monitoring our msn conversation, facebook activities and porn addiction. You know better that important data is never sent over the internet.

J4D

ohhh yes it is !

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