battikh
^^ yes, it COULD be just business. but is it worth it to keep something which is already illegal even though there is a doubt that it could cause security problems?
COULD is not a strong enough word to justify keeping an already illegal station. if it was not illegal, ok, you keep it until you make sure everything is clean. but if it's illegal, why to take risks? why to delay it? just because of a "COULD"?
teodorgeorgiev
Battikh,
I personally investigated a lot of the moves Bassil has done. I was also first misled that he is the Godsent, who would start working towards the
good. After I started digging into his shits, I got a lot of smell in my nose.
Jubran Bassil has been doing illegal VoIP business with an ex-military Israely person (welll, indeed every Israeli, even the women have passed a military training). I have started to shout at this around Lebanon about May, as soon as I understood this by an accident. And Mr. Bassil countered back in an really ugly way. I am desperately trying till now to find the local mediators between Bassil and that person, but ... for one or another reasons the jews do not want to betray their local buddies despite all my efforts :( That is one.
HE and his balls-licker - some Dany (forgot his family name) stay besides the shameful act of removing our dial-up number from the ISP list,
because we are commiting a really big crime (well, for Lebanon) - providing 60 dial-up lines for free. I still wonder how I am typing all these
words without being already arrested and investigated about this ugly crime.
He LIED about the MADA cable, we all know this. Let someone in this forum raise his hand and deny. However he missed to talk about the
IMEWE project (WHY? WHY? WHY?) till one week ago.... During that time, for more than 3 months I am raising the issue on several forums, friends, sending e-mails to Ogero, MPT.... Ogero and MPT employees...
Btw, in fact the communist regime has killed (and keeps killing) quite more people than the Nazi regime could ever dream of, but... no one is making the communist signs prohibited, whilst the Nazi cross is.
Jews are definitely bad apples and are liked nowhere for the very same reason (very arrogant and selfish people). But... believe me, the worst
and most fierce enemies of Lebanon are not in Israel, they are inside the country.
With 2-3 smart moves Bassil could have done a lot. Good Internet - more business, more business - more money, more money - stronger and better Lebanon. And that is what Israel is afraid of... ... "Thanks God" people like Bassil are helping them, he should soon get the David Star.
GN90
ok take his place
belal
delete this bullshit political thread.
GN90
why bullshit ? it is just a conversation .
teodorgeorgiev
battikh wroteGN90 wroteah put the war thing aside, it is just a reason you give instead of admitting failure. like the "TRUTH" slogan.
you can work in parallel . develop the country and work to prevent the war
it is not. as mir said, the barouq thing was a national security problem before being a source of illegal internet. it is what gave its importance. if it was closed down it was primarily due to security reasons. if we were not at war with israel and that it was not causing security concerns it would have not been such a big deal.
It would be a big deal as well.
But do you know that several ISPs spend every day since YEARS at Ogero and MPT BEGGING for bandwidth?????????????????????????????
They are BEGGING TO BE LEGAL, and they are not allowed to.
So I think for the Baroukh case the convicted ones should be others:
Marwan Hamadeh
Saad Hariri
Jubran Bassil
Abdul Youssef
Indeed, jews control several of the big backbones in the world. If they wanted to spy on the Lebanese Internet traffic, they would do it quite
easily. Should I notice that Ogero's main backbone was from FLAG Telecom for quite a long period. FLAG telecom belongs to WHOM ???????
Answer: to Rwanda... no, kidding. It is to .... IS.... Apchhiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii [sorry, got a cold, probably from the underground cold
rooms of ISF]... ok, ok, Papua New Guinnea
belal
Because we already know that all the minister and all the Lebanese parties are corrupt and are a bunch of douches working for their own interest. Theoretically, we can't solve anything here...so let the people (i.e broadbandlebanon.org or whatever) work on it. :)
ah put the war thing aside, it is just a reason you give instead of admitting failure. like the "TRUTH" slogan.
and what do you mean here?explain...
mir
it could be security stuff or just business.
even if it is business... having business relationships with israel is not allowed for political reasons
POLITICS IS ALL ABOUT BUSINESS AND MONEY ! no such thing as it is ok, this was only business with israel
it is like declaring war on someone and making a trade with him ?
i thought that the guy before basil was causing you trouble as well .. hamadeh
most fierce enemies of Lebanon are not in Israel, they are inside the country.
agree
Lebanon is in the middle of this planet , there are cables all around in europe, gulf, africa and we are not connected yet !
Marwan Hamadeh
Saad Hariri
Jubran Bassil
Abdul Youssef
true ... they are responsible
but if the link to israel thing is true , if you know the presidental palace and the army as well as many officers in their houses have internet from this closely controlled link to israel.. do you keep it ?
teodorgeorgiev
GN90 wroteok take his place
if I could, I would do it. But that is not the matter. It is not the matter who would stay there (politically related), just let him be a honest man
and a man of his word. It is not hard to improve the Lebanese Internet sector. For God sake, Cyprus is like 70km away and is FULL OF
fiber cables (one of the big submarine cable crossroads is exactly at Paphos).
FYI, I have been a manager at the Ministry of Finances and I left, cause of the pressure being put on me to sign for fake tender on IT equipment, besides some other disagreements.
An year later the theft was discovered, but my name was nowhere to be seen - I left in a clean way. Compared to Bassil and the $500K he
put in his pocket (besides everything else), I look like a pathetic amateur next to him - all I got were 2-3 PC mices that I later gifted to friends.
teodorgeorgiev
Mir, Marwan Hamadeh was ... how to say, just sitting there and filling his pockets. And nothing more. Bassil is worse, because he is not sitting and doing nothing (ok, put the bribes and stealing aside), he is quite active in his goal to destroy the ISPs in the country and giving full monopoly
to Ogero.
Someone could ask Jubran Bassil about the name Shahar Steiff (yes, a natural jew), whose advices Bassil took really seriously on his way to
control the Lebanese Internet. With the content-filtering devices installed at the Ogero backbone (and no illegal Internet), just before the
elections he could block all unappropriate websites, like his opponents - the Lebanese Forces. Not that I like the LF (or any other group).
It just would not be fair. TCI (Telecom of Iran) did the same shit before the elections - blocking Facebook.
Now, Mir, do you understand the reason of the Barouk case - not that the link goes to Israel or wherever.... That is not the main problem.
The main problem is that there has been a link that Bassil could not control.
GN90
mm you got point .
teodorgeorgiev
Mir, since it is about threating the national security, let me ask a very sharp and logical question:
Where was the sense of security of all these - Abdul Youssef, Jubran Bassil, Dany (I think Fayad, a ballls-licked of J.B.) and others, when we
have been crying to them ENDLESS times: "For God sake, give us at least 2Mbps in order to feed the army&presidency websites"
???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
I wish someone could give me an logical answer here that defends their awful actions.
Once again, 95% of the blame goes to Jubran Bassil, Marwan Hamadeh and Abdul Youssef. These should change their home address to
Roumieh for causing a severe threat to the country's national security and making the entire country suffer of that awful lack of
decent IP connectivity.
crazy
It's not that I am not enjoying this conversation... but it leads nowhere. Teo you have a point in what you are saying, but like you said, as an outsider you are seing things different than where we stand, it's always like that. Maybe in theory you are right, but in any country in the world, when politics is mixed with "x", this "x" (whatever sector it might be) gets messed up really bad.
So before dreaming about something, we need to reach a point where politicians deal only with politics, and not with anything else. This day is far away, so we deal with what we have. It's not much, but it's what we have. Like you said, many ISPs tried to be legal, but couldn't, it's unfair, yes. But the fact that they runned illegally, means that they have to be shut down. Law is above everything else, and if everybody is above the law then its stupid to have one.
You hate gebran bassil for what he did, well, as an outsider you should look at it this way: the guy shut down illegal ISP, whereas the ones before him didn't. Regarding justice, he's in the right path.
Did he technically do it good? maybe not. Was there another way of doing it? maybe yes.
But the fact is, before putting new furniture in your home you clean it up.
Crazy
P.S: If this thread is gonna continue all political bullshit, i suggest that Samer locks it... we already have many political forum, and we don't need that here.
teodorgeorgiev
Yes, DOTNET is an illegal ISP. I fully agree. They did not have a license at all. He shat them down by breaking this Barouk (or whatever) link.
I am talking about all his other actions. That is what I hate him about. Not one thing, BUT A COMPLETE SET OF ACTIONS.
Do not cut/paste inside my words, please, THIS IS REALLY LOW OF YOURS!!!
*****Why do you miss to comment about all his other actions I mentioned?***** (got some shekels out of him to "see" only Barouk?)
It is not about politics, it is about the Internet situation we have and all the problems. It smells rotten and instead of pretending that
that it smells of roses, we better start digging to find out the exact source of smell !!!
nuclearcat
Maybe Dany Fares? I dont know from where i know this name. Just heard.
Barouk(most probably) was removed not because of security issue. Main reason was "lebanese way competition". Some owners of illegal links wanted to boot off other owners of illegal links, one of most strong theories. At the end all of them end up in trouble. Investigation now enough fair(just because it become very loud), and will show who is who.
P.S. Some crooks who knew about this fight, paid also $$$ for the media to spread that VISP was involved in all that. It is not true, VISP was just a customer of "supposed to be legal" bandwidth reseller, lebanese company. Lebanese law also doesn't define, from which Lebanese company ISP should buy bandwidth, and from where shouldn't.
Main reason why they was "angry", because VISP gave a lot of gifts (IT solutions) to Lebanese army ,presidential office, parliament structures and many other agencies who was need help, we also made free hotspots in many locations, and sponsored a bit some opensource events (yes, dear lebgeeks, they was angry also because of rootspace, you remember how was angry M$ guys?).
And oups, they succeed for now, we cease all this good activity to survive. But for now. I hope justice here is still fair in loud cases.
Most sad that people in Lebanon fucking blind. They believe TV and their beloved national/religion leaders, and not to logics. If not - this country will be leaded by blind, mindless people to war, degradation, and then death.
GN90
we are dead already. i dk how we are still living
teodorgeorgiev
As a person, who have studied and specialized in criminal law, I would say that from what I have heard so far, the Lebanese "court" so far
behaves against several really important codes, and some of them cover basic human rights covered by every national constitution.
Not to mention the idiotic speeches of Saad Hariri and Bassil, who used the word "criminals" and "pronounced" the defendents guilty before
the court had, breaking one of the most ancient rules of justice:
"Everyone is considered innocent until the opposite has been proven by the means of law"
teodorgeorgiev
GN90 wrotewe are dead already. i dk how we are still living
if you call this a "life"... ...
rolf
S**** the I-ME-WE cable. If I can load 1 site over two without refreshing 5 times then Id be happy.
:lol:
battikh
teo, about ISPs begging for more bandwidth...
actually basil addressed this problem. he actually had the same point of view as yours, which is probably what is happening. he literally said that the main reason for illegal internet links was that there is not enough bandwidth. and he literally said that the ONLY way to fight illegal links was not by shutting them down but by giving more access, and at better prices, to legal links. and he also said that he had been working on it, that from his side it was actually done, all papers signed and all, but that it was pending in other ministries...
and why would basil want ogero to have a monopoly? he's not in control of ogero. he has been in the ministry for a year. all these institutions have been built before him, by his political opponents. it's not like when he became minister he fired everyone and hired people close to him instead. people who were in control of ogero before him are still the people in charge. he may have political power over ogero and some decision making, but on the ground, the people there are mostly not with him politically.
