teodorgeorgiev
There is some news on the I-ME-WE project:
1. A new member has been accepted - TeleYemen, the incumbent operator of Yemen.
2. Lebanon's connectivity to the cable is so to say POSTPONED. The I-ME-WE project shall be performed in sections.
First section start with:
* Connecting Yemen to India (Mumbai - starting point)
* From then - connecting Jeddah (STC, KSA) to Yemen
* The Pakistan (Karachi) and UAE (Fujarah) will be connected to the cabling system.
And that is all. Section 1 will be accomplished. As you may notice, the link from STC-KSA to Egypt and Ogero is not included in the project.
You may ask THE BIG FREE PATRIOT Jebran Bassil - WHY ???
And in case you have voted for him on the elections - ask your own hands and the other organ of your body that controls their movement :cool:
J4D
we will be connecting eventually to the kimewe project but its all in order of place and situation these countries form a block and the countries here another , after that we will be connected together :D
teodorgeorgiev
Is that what Bassil told you? ;)
J4D
i guess you pose a real danger on that man :P i don't know what will happen if you see him in person . but honestly i guess they should put an experienced person instead of him or any other person in the ministry of communication
mir
It is really important to follow up on promises made by our politicians ( mou7esabeh ) but personally well i think there are other ppl in the ministry of communication and its related subdivision in charge of the internet situation other than Mr Bassil like the Ogero CEO - the payments have also to be approved by the ministry of finance and the board of ministers ( majlis l wouzara ) blablabla
teodorgeorgiev
Ouf, people, believe me, if it was someone else's fault, Bassil would announce this on all medias shouting like
a wounded lion.
Yes, I hate Bassil for what he made against the Internet situation in Lebanon. And for what he is trying to make.
battikh
^^ you have to know something about lebanese politics 1st
for ANY project to be passed by ANY ministry, it has to be approved by 3 people:
1- the minister in question (in this case, the telecom minister, gebran basil)
2- the minister of finance (mohammad chatah, this ministry has been with the future movement for the last 15 years)
3- the prime minister (fouad sanyoura, future movement, also prime minister has been from future movement in the last 15 years)
if ANY of these 3 doesn't approve, the project gets on hold, delayed, canceled, ...
so you can see that if you're not close to the future movement, they can fuck you in the ass and not let you do anything. which is why they have always been sticking to the finance ministry so much and that they would never give it away.
welcome to lebanese politics dude...
and gebran basil HAS been nagging about that for some time now, and explicitly said that the internet problems were being delayed by others and that he was trying to push forward for them but that they were being blocked somewhere else (he actually showed the signed papers on tv).
GN90
the political debate begins ! now the fun
J4D
no no we will not go there :P BTW : batikh im supporting you here all the way hehehe
Ayman
batikh++ I don't want to get much into politics but big decisions usually need approval by more than one minister, and not only the one charge of the telecom sector only. So he may not be the only one to be blamed. ;)
Aly
With the current political layer in Lebanon, even if the project of IMEWE was 100% accomplished and Lebanon got his share of the bandwidth, I doubt that the Lebanese will get a speed boost in internet speed, I bet Ogero will keep the extra bandwidth for themselves or sell it, but giving some of it to poor Lebanese ? yea right :P
elchebib
Welcome to Lebanon guys...............
I agree with Aly. Even if we had extra bandwidth, it wouldn't mean much for us the end-users. The only way I guess we could all benefit is to allow all the ISPs to purchase their international bandwidth without going through Ogero. This way, more competition between the ISPs (including Ogero), better services and less cost for us.....
teodorgeorgiev
Man, the political debate here is a nonsense.
1. I am not a Lebanese, I am an outsider, therefore I am not related (nor I want to be) to any local political group
2. Hariri's are as bad as Jubran Bassil and his father-in-law. So to say - same shit, different color. I am not backing up Bassil's opponents AT ALL.
3. I agree that every decision that requires a solid amount of investment has to be approved by the PM and the Minister of Finances, but:
3.1. Bassil could have done several solid steps to improve the situation without spending any huge amounts of cash
3.2. Why he started stopping "illegal ISPs" who have been waiting like several years eager to get legal bandwidth (no, not only VISP. I can name you two more) ??? It is against Siniora who did not allow him to give some capacity to the ISP ?????????????????????????????
3.3. How comes the Minister of Finances and PM singed for those content controlling devices of Bassil , needed for blocking VoIP, Skype and
unappropriate websites (yes, politically unappropriate... ...)
3.4. He had enough freedom to mess with the prices.... didn't he have enough freedom for some positive decisions???
GN90
you know that the only person talking logic stuff is this father-in-law and to think that same shit different color is just pathetic.
the thing politicians are sooooo bad around here that people became as corrupted.
and as for bassil well he did not do much about the internet that's right but take a look at what he did in 8 month you know things are fucked up here so impossible to so stuff all together. And sure he could have done more and this is his job.
battikh
teodorgeorgiev wrote3.3. How comes the Minister of Finances and PM singed for those content controlling devices of Bassil , needed for blocking VoIP, Skype and
unappropriate websites (yes, politically unappropriate... ...)
common interests... all sides in lebanon are fanatics, they all have interests in blocking certain content. and it also depends on who gets affected by voip. people who are close to mtc and alfa (saudis) will definitely want to block voip.
teodorgeorgiev wrote3.4. He had enough freedom to mess with the prices.... didn't he have enough freedom for some positive decisions???
messing with the prices doesn't require a budget from the government, therefore you do not require an approval from the finance minister.
anyways, the point is not to say that basil is a saint, he's probably not. just want to say that he's far from being the only 1 to blame. if people are putting sticks in his wheel, you can't blame him for everything. the political system in lebanon is quiet complex and far from being transparent and democratic.
mir
so i guess the original post should be edited to :
Why don't u ask jebran bassil and your governement where is the bloody internet ?
well, i know some steps were taking like the berytech interconnexion
linking cities and areas in fiber is not a small decision and requires the ministry of public work ( ashgal ) to agree, financing blablabla and i guess they did give him the equipement for anti-voip cuz ogero was loosing money from this ( i wonder why ministers before him didn't demand those equipements and take this decision )
and for stopping illegal internet, in lebanon there are many illegal illegals... there are the illegals that can be tolerated cuz otherwise the situation is hell and the totally unacceptable illegal ( reffering to barouk thing )
In my opinion, AS A MATTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY , this link that was suspected to be going thru israel had to be stopped and investigated. the trial will hopefully give justice
otherwise, let us all complain about <insert any other topic> and let us start trading with israel.
as long as the lebanese ppl as a whole don't have a peace treaty and formal business relations, i don't see that any excuse is valid
you may not understand this "wound" from israel cuz u are not lebanese and no this is not some nationalism bullshitting
battikh
^^ well, technically, we are still in a state of war with israel, there's just a ceasefire. so it's worse than a wound :P we're at war...
in europe, they are still imprisoning till today people who are found guilty for working with the nazis, for treason during ww2, ... and the war has been over for 60 years now, nazism is out, germany is democratic, ...
we're STILL at war with them, they are STILL there, they are STILL fucking with us, they are STILL occupying us, ... so it's more than a wound...
GN90
ah put the war thing aside, it is just a reason you give instead of admitting failure. like the "TRUTH" slogan.
you can work in parallel . develop the country and work to prevent the war
battikh
GN90 wroteah put the war thing aside, it is just a reason you give instead of admitting failure. like the "TRUTH" slogan.
you can work in parallel . develop the country and work to prevent the war
it is not. as mir said, the barouq thing was a national security problem before being a source of illegal internet. it is what gave its importance. if it was closed down it was primarily due to security reasons. if we were not at war with israel and that it was not causing security concerns it would have not been such a big deal.
GN90
maybe it is just business ? how can you know ?
the problem is with the jury and stuff they don't make serious investigations and prevent the people to make debates.
it could be security stuff or just business.
