http://ezinearticles.com/?Fair-Usage-Broadband---Is-It-Really-Fair?&id=375605
Very clear explanation. Related to UK, but you can see that rules is same.
Very clear explanation. Related to UK, but you can see that rules is same.
Unlimited is not unlimited after all!
the only thing that VISP could be blamed for, is not annoucing that is has a FA policy, that's all i guess.
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Yeah, I have read many articles about the "fair usage policy". But you should remember guys that foreign ISPs deliver an internet connection with low latency you guys don't. I don't really blame you it is just the bad internet infrastructure that we have it here in lebanon.
But nowadays internet isn't just browsing the web it is more like entertainment on your desktop. As a gamer, If I can't play games online, I can't stream/download videos ( not only films but programming stuff and such) can't download games demos, music, etc... tell me what should I do? Upgrade to a better account, the ISP here doesn't offer other than 128 KB/s.
But in lebanon, you just have to accept the fact that things can't go right you should deals with anomalies situations and live with it.
And let me tell you one thing, I really appreciate your help nuclearcat you have been a great dude to talk and debate with.
With such restrictions, the internet will definetly lose its meaning. let's just called it outernet.
But nowadays internet isn't just browsing the web it is more like entertainment on your desktop. As a gamer, If I can't play games online, I can't stream/download videos ( not only films but programming stuff and such) can't download games demos, music, etc... tell me what should I do? Upgrade to a better account, the ISP here doesn't offer other than 128 KB/s.
But in lebanon, you just have to accept the fact that things can't go right you should deals with anomalies situations and live with it.
And let me tell you one thing, I really appreciate your help nuclearcat you have been a great dude to talk and debate with.
With such restrictions, the internet will definetly lose its meaning. let's just called it outernet.
As i told, my research in real life (in many countries, when i was working in satellite internet area), shows, the second you announce "unlimited" tariffs recommended limits - customer will suck 'em all. Even he dont want this traffic, most of people think if they pay, they must suck till last drop.
So choice(just example) - you know for sure your limit 1-2gb and your account will stop when it finished, and you know there is a limit, but it is 10gb(and u dont know that) and account just will be with lower speed. Thats it. What is prefferable?
About lebanon... there situation much better. In Cyprus i had collegaues, they like Kazaa a lot... they got DSL from Cyta. Cyta disconnect him sudden after 1 month, and no excuse at all. They just tell "we have no technical availability of service for you". Later over some friends they got info, that it was because they download too much. If country is too civil, ISP will lie for you, if you are uncomfortable customer, but they are scared because of laws.
In Germany, if i'm ISP, first of all you are stuck with me by contract for years, and it is auto-renewable, you just dont have choice to leave me. If in contract not mentioned you need to have all ports opened, i can leave for you IM, web,shaped myspace and etc, and try to download... and you can do nothing. The second you go to court, you fall in the battle for few years, and expirience shows you have choices:
1)Pay hundreds of thousands if you lose the battle, and because you don't have them - go to jail. Because chances to play with professional ISP lawyers and ur lawyer is different, noone taking risk anymore.
2)Pay "disconnection" free, usually few thousands of bucks.
3)Try to find hole in contract, that i will disconnect you. Usually also if ISP very big, they have Fair Usage, if you download more XXX Gb in 3 month - he disconnect you, and pay you "damage" fee, smth about 300-400 bucks.
About latency - not a big issue at all. Yes, we have lost maybe 5-10% of market cause of customers who need decent latency, but with current "fiber" prices and how much they want to pay, it is just "cosmetic" part of customers. There is almost no profit on them with current government prices. First of all because there is no normal "underground" infrastructure to deliver stable latency for customers, air is too "busy" with interference, so even fiber will have 280ms, it will be useless, cause let's say we see on IDM network jitter +-300-400ms, just on local loops. Our network is better, but still because of many hops it will be +-50ms, for broadband customers.
You will say, why on Wigo latency is nice? Because still they didnt reach profit level. Base Station cost more than $100000(for 3G i didnt research how much exactly), customers amount must be near maximum to follow business plan. And as far as i know, latency will be different, when BSS is full.
Example http://www.geekzone.co.nz/sbiddle/1993
So choice(just example) - you know for sure your limit 1-2gb and your account will stop when it finished, and you know there is a limit, but it is 10gb(and u dont know that) and account just will be with lower speed. Thats it. What is prefferable?
About lebanon... there situation much better. In Cyprus i had collegaues, they like Kazaa a lot... they got DSL from Cyta. Cyta disconnect him sudden after 1 month, and no excuse at all. They just tell "we have no technical availability of service for you". Later over some friends they got info, that it was because they download too much. If country is too civil, ISP will lie for you, if you are uncomfortable customer, but they are scared because of laws.
In Germany, if i'm ISP, first of all you are stuck with me by contract for years, and it is auto-renewable, you just dont have choice to leave me. If in contract not mentioned you need to have all ports opened, i can leave for you IM, web,shaped myspace and etc, and try to download... and you can do nothing. The second you go to court, you fall in the battle for few years, and expirience shows you have choices:
1)Pay hundreds of thousands if you lose the battle, and because you don't have them - go to jail. Because chances to play with professional ISP lawyers and ur lawyer is different, noone taking risk anymore.
2)Pay "disconnection" free, usually few thousands of bucks.
3)Try to find hole in contract, that i will disconnect you. Usually also if ISP very big, they have Fair Usage, if you download more XXX Gb in 3 month - he disconnect you, and pay you "damage" fee, smth about 300-400 bucks.
About latency - not a big issue at all. Yes, we have lost maybe 5-10% of market cause of customers who need decent latency, but with current "fiber" prices and how much they want to pay, it is just "cosmetic" part of customers. There is almost no profit on them with current government prices. First of all because there is no normal "underground" infrastructure to deliver stable latency for customers, air is too "busy" with interference, so even fiber will have 280ms, it will be useless, cause let's say we see on IDM network jitter +-300-400ms, just on local loops. Our network is better, but still because of many hops it will be +-50ms, for broadband customers.
You will say, why on Wigo latency is nice? Because still they didnt reach profit level. Base Station cost more than $100000(for 3G i didnt research how much exactly), customers amount must be near maximum to follow business plan. And as far as i know, latency will be different, when BSS is full.
Example http://www.geekzone.co.nz/sbiddle/1993
These are all valid facts so we can't argue with that.
6 GB is just fine for me but I have faith in VISP that they can pull out an adequate service for all types of internet users.
Keep it up guys.
6 GB is just fine for me but I have faith in VISP that they can pull out an adequate service for all types of internet users.
Keep it up guys.
nuclearcat, can you please remove the limitation I need to upload my times to http://www.xpandrally.com/xrx for the competition. From now one I know that a specific limit is set to my account wich is 6 GB.
one thing i wanna add
well.. you guys at VISP.. I don't envy you
god be with you..help u find the inspiration.. the patience..the power.. to carry on :P
you practice yoga or something.. what kind ?
well.. you guys at VISP.. I don't envy you
god be with you..help u find the inspiration.. the patience..the power.. to carry on :P
you practice yoga or something.. what kind ?
I can remove limit for customer only once.
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When my limit will be off then? and I am paying 40$ for the connection what type of bandwith should I have?
Up to 128K down and up to 32K up
You limit will be reset if i am not wrong at 12Feb
You limit will be reset if i am not wrong at 12Feb
^^^
I meant download limit per month? you have mentioned that I can get the 10 GB package for how much?
I meant download limit per month? you have mentioned that I can get the 10 GB package for how much?
If you talk about quota - 1 GB account around $33 - $40 (depends on reseller prices).
I guess 10GB will be around $100-$150, only sales can say for sure, i dont know their formula, to calculate prices.
If unlimited, i am going to remove montly limit, it will be complete "fair usage" system soon, it will let u download a lot for example at night.
I guess 10GB will be around $100-$150, only sales can say for sure, i dont know their formula, to calculate prices.
If unlimited, i am going to remove montly limit, it will be complete "fair usage" system soon, it will let u download a lot for example at night.
^^^
OMG! the internet is nowdays per kilo?
OMG! the internet is nowdays per kilo?
It is new for you?
I was paying for GPRS 1$ for 1M in EU.
In lebanon seems one of the worst situation on the planet with internet. I wish government will let other ISP's than Ogero to have international backbone, and politics will shutup their mouth (cause no investments in IT sector will come, it is too risky now). If this happen i guess in 6 month it will be possible to do 512/128 for $40 without limits :-)
I was paying for GPRS 1$ for 1M in EU.
In lebanon seems one of the worst situation on the planet with internet. I wish government will let other ISP's than Ogero to have international backbone, and politics will shutup their mouth (cause no investments in IT sector will come, it is too risky now). If this happen i guess in 6 month it will be possible to do 512/128 for $40 without limits :-)
Well, Denis, of course.
Who will put one losy dollar in a country, where everyone can cause a war / civil disorder, just because he had a
constipation at the morning.
I was discussing this issue just before my coming with a friend from MATAV (the Hungarian telecom with a lot of investments from Austria). They are building a very strong backbone all around Eastern Europe till Instanbul (Turkey) and plan to go even more south. Me (with my stupidity) was trying to persuade him to speak with
the government of Lebanon to place a Gigabit optical link there by claiming that Lebanon is hungry for Internet and describign all the situation with satellite dishes, lack of capacity and etc. The guy humiliated me to the
possible maximum by opening the "Country profiles" page of bbc.co.uk and clicking on Lebanon.
Guess what is written there - constant politic fights, Syrian backed president fighting western oriented PM,
a government inside the government, frequent civil disorders, WARS, political swashbucklers, complete corruption.
"So, Teo, is this the place where you want my company to invest its money? If you were me, you would do it?
Cause I am sure you will not. I am considering this as an attempt of yours to screw me, to be honest. Listen to my advice - the only safe country in the area is Jordan. This is where we can negotiate and be sure that our funds won't sink".
Joseph, you know my opinion. Nothing new to tell, unless to remind you that you are spitting on the wrong
side. Since you are so brave, call Ogero and ask them "WHY?". And you know very well the words besides this
"why".
Mir, yoga - no. But playing piano works for me.
Who will put one losy dollar in a country, where everyone can cause a war / civil disorder, just because he had a
constipation at the morning.
I was discussing this issue just before my coming with a friend from MATAV (the Hungarian telecom with a lot of investments from Austria). They are building a very strong backbone all around Eastern Europe till Instanbul (Turkey) and plan to go even more south. Me (with my stupidity) was trying to persuade him to speak with
the government of Lebanon to place a Gigabit optical link there by claiming that Lebanon is hungry for Internet and describign all the situation with satellite dishes, lack of capacity and etc. The guy humiliated me to the
possible maximum by opening the "Country profiles" page of bbc.co.uk and clicking on Lebanon.
Guess what is written there - constant politic fights, Syrian backed president fighting western oriented PM,
a government inside the government, frequent civil disorders, WARS, political swashbucklers, complete corruption.
"So, Teo, is this the place where you want my company to invest its money? If you were me, you would do it?
Cause I am sure you will not. I am considering this as an attempt of yours to screw me, to be honest. Listen to my advice - the only safe country in the area is Jordan. This is where we can negotiate and be sure that our funds won't sink".
Joseph, you know my opinion. Nothing new to tell, unless to remind you that you are spitting on the wrong
side. Since you are so brave, call Ogero and ask them "WHY?". And you know very well the words besides this
"why".
Mir, yoga - no. But playing piano works for me.
Already 12Feb 7:35 am, the connection is still limited :(nuclearcat wroteYou limit will be reset if i am not wrong at 12Feb
Btw, can you setup a page where each user can check his download status ? it would be very usefull for heavy users.
Ok, back to normal now. speed is 128 Kb/s.
man if u download a lot and can pay, get a sat downlink. a lot supply 1Mbit for around 32 euro. it's unlimited but following the FU rule. but a true one. means u will be reduced during only congestion time. not always.
padre
can you please list some good sat downlink providers. and is it possible to combine the speed of the sat and my regular internet download speed simultaniously?
can you please list some good sat downlink providers. and is it possible to combine the speed of the sat and my regular internet download speed simultaniously?