arached wrote
vegetaleb wrote This is based on what?
Some reviews elected the 10 best phone of the year, some not.
Phones choice is very subjective, some testers found the camera wow other best second behind S7, other found the N6P better.
Also it depends what you are looking for, if it's the best ever sound quality phone, very nice camera (even if 2nd best for some), superb UI, very nice screen and of course classy design you take the 10, if you want the best screen of 2016, very nice camera and waterproof then take the S7.
Is the S7 offering something special, or the N6P? nop!
Yeah none phone will make you cakes or iron your shirts
This year is the return of HTC on the scene with a vengeance, it's not me saying it but 4 reviews over 5, now if you hate HTC go buy an iphone or galaxy, dunno if they can teleport as you search something special in a phone
Srsly you're the most biased person i've knew. FYI i hate samsung the most(and it's probably the only brand i hate) and htc is the only android brand that i admire but that doesn't mean i should be narrowed minded and deny that it isn't the best smartphone out there,not even the best android.And even if you want i'm willing to give numbers of many die hards htc fans who didn't like the htc 10 and aren't willing to upgrade from their m7 and m8. Also I can give you more than dozen reviews that preferred the s7 and even all the sites that you've mentioned and praised the 10 in another review that say they prefer the s7 over the htc 10, and alot of reviews have mentioned that it isn't the best audio speakers only the best audio through headphones . And if you want to compare the 2 phones the s7 have the better screen,better battery,better performance plus waterproof and wireless charging(i know this 2 features we can live without them but we won't be sad if our devices have them specially the waterproof). On the other hand the htc only have the better audio and ui(though you can flash a custom ui so i don't think it's much a dealer) and for the design even the s7 have glass back but from the s6 samsung have worked on the design to make it feel premium and they succeeded . So why should i pay more for the htc 10 than the s7 even if the s7 is better in many aspects,only for audio? Anw for the camera and audio as i said before we should wait for real users reviews because this reviews are just shit but the thing is that the s7 users reviews are out now and every one is astonished by the camera. In the end if you're willing to pay more on a cell that has nothing special but audio through headphones i hope that you will love it when you get it and teleport you to another world by it's audio.
Compared to S7, HTC 10 seems to have:
- better design
- better software performance
- better audio
- better battery (compared to s7 but not s7 edge)

S7 has:
- better screen
- better camera
- richer software in features
- waterproof advantage

They are very close to each other, so it is a matter of personal taste and preferences. I would go for HTC 10.
Salloum wrote
arached wrotethe battery should've been bigger specially of it's thickness but keep in mind it has smaller screen than phablets so battery usage will be lower,no one will know for real how it's the battery life until real users review starts to comes out.But still htc made many mistakes with the device, I know htc do thinks in her own way but they simply aren't offering anything special + the device isn't the best in many aspect(battery,camera) and they wonder why people are moving away from htc. With all the advertisement htc made we were waiting for a device that gonna rule this year and next year cellphones only to turn out to be a non-special flagship device and it's only power is in audio through headphones! And they wonder why their sales are going down every year.
Even though I agree with what you posted the 10 is still a really fantastic phone apparently. It's true that there is not much that is special or that stands out but all around, this is a great designed phone with near-stock Android, good camera, great audio and average to good battery life. Yes the S7 edge is better but looks worse (just my opinion) and runs Touchwiz. I think I would choose the 10 over the S7 edge for my needs.
I've said it before and i say it again we the geeks will definitely go for the htc 10 over the s7 and s7 edge(eve though i wasn't mentioning the s7 but you all though about it:P) but for normal people Touchwiz with it's features is better then stock android and here's htc mistake in my opinion we all know samsung advertisements and how they use s7 greatest features but htc don't have anything other than audio to advertise about which gonna affect the sales very badly (Samsung managed to sell double than iphone in s1 2016 due to s7 and it's advertisement) and coming out only a month and half after the g5 and s7 itself is bad for sales so they should've made more features to compete with the hype of s7.Anyway as i said before it is an amaizing phone but i don't see him competing with the s7 and s7 edge for sales.
arached wrote
vegetaleb wrote This is based on what?
Some reviews elected the 10 best phone of the year, some not.
Phones choice is very subjective, some testers found the camera wow other best second behind S7, other found the N6P better.
Also it depends what you are looking for, if it's the best ever sound quality phone, very nice camera (even if 2nd best for some), superb UI, very nice screen and of course classy design you take the 10, if you want the best screen of 2016, very nice camera and waterproof then take the S7.
Is the S7 offering something special, or the N6P? nop!
Yeah none phone will make you cakes or iron your shirts
This year is the return of HTC on the scene with a vengeance, it's not me saying it but 4 reviews over 5, now if you hate HTC go buy an iphone or galaxy, dunno if they can teleport as you search something special in a phone
Srsly you're the most biased person i've knew. FYI i hate samsung the most(and it's probably the only brand i hate) and htc is the only android brand that i admire but that doesn't mean i should be narrowed minded and deny that it isn't the best smartphone out there,not even the best android.And even if you want i'm willing to give numbers of many die hards htc fans who didn't like the htc 10 and aren't willing to upgrade from their m7 and m8. Also I can give you more than dozen reviews that preferred the s7 and even all the sites that you've mentioned and praised the 10 in another review that say they prefer the s7 over the htc 10, and alot of reviews have mentioned that it isn't the best audio speakers only the best audio through headphones . And if you want to compare the 2 phones the s7 have the better screen,better battery,better performance plus waterproof and wireless charging(i know this 2 features we can live without them but we won't be sad if our devices have them specially the waterproof). On the other hand the htc only have the better audio and ui(though you can flash a custom ui so i don't think it's much a dealer) and for the design even the s7 have glass back but from the s6 samsung have worked on the design to make it feel premium and they succeeded . So why should i pay more for the htc 10 than the s7 even if the s7 is better in many aspects,only for audio? Anw for the camera and audio as i said before we should wait for real users reviews because this reviews are just shit but the thing is that the s7 users reviews are out now and every one is astonished by the camera. In the end if you're willing to pay more on a cell that has nothing special but audio through headphones i hope that you will love it when you get it and teleport you to another world by it's audio.

Well it seems it's you who are biased this time friend :)
If from all the reviews posted you conclude the 10 is bad and the S7 is better then sorry but you are biased, because again:
-Many reviews said the 10 equal the S7 sometimes beat the S7 in terms of camera
-The camera software is not final on the 10, from updates to updates it's getting major boost
-RAW from the 10 has still not be showed vs other cameras, you can be sure it will beat any other camera knowing HTC RAW processing
-Glass vs metal, well again it's a personal taste, personally I prefer any day a metal back on glass
-waterproof?? well it made the S7 a catastrophe for the speaker making it very quiet and for what? so you can play boom beach while taking a shower?
-Base your choice on the sales volume? don't get me wrong but it's very Lebanese meaning follow the flock even if you are not convinced
arached wrote
Salloum wrote
arached wrotethe battery should've been bigger specially of it's thickness but keep in mind it has smaller screen than phablets so battery usage will be lower,no one will know for real how it's the battery life until real users review starts to comes out.But still htc made many mistakes with the device, I know htc do thinks in her own way but they simply aren't offering anything special + the device isn't the best in many aspect(battery,camera) and they wonder why people are moving away from htc. With all the advertisement htc made we were waiting for a device that gonna rule this year and next year cellphones only to turn out to be a non-special flagship device and it's only power is in audio through headphones! And they wonder why their sales are going down every year.
Even though I agree with what you posted the 10 is still a really fantastic phone apparently. It's true that there is not much that is special or that stands out but all around, this is a great designed phone with near-stock Android, good camera, great audio and average to good battery life. Yes the S7 edge is better but looks worse (just my opinion) and runs Touchwiz. I think I would choose the 10 over the S7 edge for my needs.
I've said it before and i say it again we the geeks will definitely go for the htc 10 over the s7 and s7 edge(eve though i wasn't mentioning the s7 but you all though about it:P) but for normal people Touchwiz with it's features is better then stock android and here's htc mistake in my opinion we all know samsung advertisements and how they use s7 greatest features but htc don't have anything other than audio to advertise about which gonna affect the sales very badly (Samsung managed to sell double than iphone in s1 2016 due to s7 and it's advertisement) and coming out only a month and half after the g5 and s7 itself is bad for sales so they should've made more features to compete with the hype of s7.Anyway as i said before it is an amaizing phone but i don't see him competing with the s7 and s7 edge for sales.
What touchwiz feature make people prefer Samsung in your opinion?
Just for the record, I hate waterproofing and glass backs, and yes I WOULD mind having them. Waterproofing substantially muffles the speaker of a device. Plus the "security" of knowing your device is waterproof isn't always good, I know a friend who had to throw his Xperia Z in the garbage because he dipped it in water for 10 minutes. It's not a foolproof system. As for wireless charging, I would mind having it because it means my phone can't have an aluminum back, only glass and covered in fingerprints all the time. No thanks
The advantages of the S7 Edge over the 10 are the amazing curved screen, great camera, and battery life.

Advantages of the 10 is the UX.

I don't have preference regarding metal or glass, as long as it feels good in the hand.

Wireless charging and water resistance are not that important honestly.
The HTC 10 is available at Stars and HTC Solutions
Price is 750$
My advice is to wait, the good news is that they got it now rather mid-May meaning the price will be in the 600ish $ in 2 weeks and under 600$ by the end of May
Expected it to be released for more, that's good
vegetaleb wroteThe HTC 10 is available at Stars and HTC Solutions
Price is 750$
My advice is to wait, the good news is that they got it now rather mid-May meaning the price will be in the 600ish $ in 2 weeks and under 600$ by the end of May
I dont think the price will significantly drop before Gomobile brings it!!
It has been confirmed that HTC will produce 2 nexus phones this year: M1 and S1. They could be unveiled in about 3 weeks !!

One is 5 inch, the other is 5.5

Also one of them runs on snapdragon 820 and has 4GB of RAM.
Let's be rational and objective here, no fanboism please:
Watch this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPuJgR8O60Y

This guy has lots of valid points there:

"HTC has failed to create an identity to itself yet! Identity crisis!"

On screen buttons?! Capacitive buttons?! Fingerprint front?! Fingerprint back?! HTC front logo? No HTC front logo?! HTC One Mx?? Or HTC x?!

The HTC phones lately have been a mess on all levels, naming, design elements, etc... It feels like they have no vision and they are trying everything just to see which work better for them...

They even dropped one of their best inventions! Front facing stereo speakers!
They could have simply put the fingerprint scanner on the back and kept their front facing speakers (a la nexus 6p)!

Looking for example at its most competitors, LG, Samsung, Sony, iPhone etc... All of these have stick to a certain design pattern:
LG since G2 with same software buttons, and same naming convention, fingerprints on the back...
Samsung since the galaxy S stick with capacitive hard buttons, same naming convention and even same design principles...
Sony has been always known for its boxy design with front facing stereo speakers since xperia z2, waterproofing, glass and nearly everything...
No need to explain iPhone's design philosophy and consistency here...

I like how the sense software has evolved though and I gotta give them that! It consistently slimmed and improved a lot since old desire HD/sensation days to today's stockish android sense!

Isn't this very noticeable in HTC's recent years history?! Does this worry you?! Aren't you worried for example that the HTC 11 might get back for example software buttons?! Or completely eliminate stereo speakers and go to bottom speaker? etc...

As much as I like this year's HTC 10 (Coz I value/appreciate "screen to body ratio" the most and this finally improved drastically now), it worries me how HTC is moving target-less and compass-less...
LifeEngineer wroteLet's be rational and objective here, no fanboism please:
Watch this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPuJgR8O60Y

This guy has lots of valid points there:

"HTC has failed to create an identity to itself yet! Identity crisis!"

On screen buttons?! Capacitive buttons?! Fingerprint front?! Fingerprint back?! HTC front logo? No HTC front logo?! HTC One Mx?? Or HTC x?!

The HTC phones lately have been a mess on all levels, naming, design elements, etc... It feels like they have no vision and they are trying everything just to see which work better for them...

They even dropped one of their best inventions! Front facing stereo speakers!
They could have simply put the fingerprint scanner on the back and kept their front facing speakers (a la nexus 6p)!

Looking for example at its most competitors, LG, Samsung, Sony, iPhone etc... All of these have stick to a certain design pattern:
LG since G2 with same software buttons, and same naming convention, fingerprints on the back...
Samsung since the galaxy S stick with capacitive hard buttons, same naming convention and even same design principles...
Sony has been always known for its boxy design with front facing stereo speakers since xperia z2, waterproofing, glass and nearly everything...
No need to explain iPhone's design philosophy and consistency here...

I like how the sense software has evolved though and I gotta give them that! It consistently slimmed and improved a lot since old desire HD/sensation days to today's stockish android sense!

Isn't this very noticeable in HTC's recent years history?! Does this worry you?! Aren't you worried for example that the HTC 11 might get back for example software buttons?! Or completely eliminate stereo speakers and go to bottom speaker? etc...

As much as I like this year's HTC 10 (Coz I value/appreciate "screen to body ratio" the most and this finally improved drastically now), it worries me how HTC is moving target-less and compass-less...
HTC have been pretty consistent with the M7 , M8 and M9 but now they are doing a sort of transition. The change every 2-3 years doesnt bother me at all, on the contrary it is welcome. Sony, Apple and Samsung are quite boring with the same design that repeats itself every year.

Also I dont care whether buttons are soft or capacitive as long as they fit nicely in the general design of the phone.

I only wish HTC were more creative / original in the design of the front of the HTC 10. It looks a bit copied from Samsung and Iphone, cheap and unpolished.
It's true that HTC departed from a lot of things they used to do with the 10, however it's easy to understand why. The company feels that it needs to drastically change things to be able to resurrect itself. But I do agree that the omission of stereo speakers was a big letdown and probably wasn't the right thing to remove from their arsenal of differentiation.
kfc wrote HTC have been pretty consistent with the M7 , M8 and M9 but now they are doing a sort of transition. The change every 2-3 years doesnt bother me at all, on the contrary it is welcome. Sony, Apple and Samsung are quite boring with the same design that repeats itself every year.

Also I dont care whether buttons are soft or capacitive as long as they fit nicely in the general design of the phone.

I only wish HTC were more creative / original in the design of the front of the HTC 10. It looks a bit cheap and unpolished.
M7 was capacitive buttons, M8 and M9 were software on screen buttons. M10 is again capacitive buttons.
M7 was called HTC one. (The m7 wasn't advertised, it was a codename). M8 and M9 were called Htc one m8 and Htc one m9. The latest is no longer M10, or HTC one m10 but rather HTC 10.
M7 was single camera, M8 was dual camera, M9 was again single camera and HTC 10 too.

Not nitpicking here but just pointing out the inconsistencies.

Also, to be honest, when I first saw the front of the HTC10 it instantly made me remember and compare it to my old Zuk Z1! They look a lot the same!

I agree on others being a bit boring but at least they have an identity! I can identify a samsung, a sony or an iphone from long distance away.

The same can be said for any Mercedes with their front grill, BMW or Porshe! These can be easily distinguished from miles away!

This is a good thing! To build an identity and to be distinguished instantaneously among others!
The challenge/innovation will be here to keep improving, make subtle changes, etc... while preserving some kind of an identity!
LifeEngineer wrote
kfc wrote HTC have been pretty consistent with the M7 , M8 and M9 but now they are doing a sort of transition. The change every 2-3 years doesnt bother me at all, on the contrary it is welcome. Sony, Apple and Samsung are quite boring with the same design that repeats itself every year.

Also I dont care whether buttons are soft or capacitive as long as they fit nicely in the general design of the phone.

I only wish HTC were more creative / original in the design of the front of the HTC 10. It looks a bit cheap and unpolished.
M7 was capacitive buttons, M8 and M9 were software on screen buttons. M10 is again capacitive buttons.
M7 was called HTC one. (The m7 wasn't advertised, it was a codename). M8 and M9 were called Htc one m8 and Htc one m9. The latest is no longer M10, or HTC one m10 but rather HTC 10.
M7 was single camera, M8 was dual camera, M9 was again single camera and HTC 10 too.

Not nitpicking here but just pointing out the inconsistencies.

Also, to be honest, when I first saw the front of the HTC10 it instantly made me remember and compare it to my old Zuk Z1! They look a lot the same!

I agree on others being a bit boring but at least they have an identity! I can identify a samsung, a sony or an iphone from long distance away.

The same can be said for any Mercedes with their front grill, BMW or Porshe! These can be easily distinguished from miles away!

This is a good thing! To build an identity and to be distinguished instantaneously among others!
The challenge/innovation will be here to keep improving, make subtle changes, etc... while preserving some kind of an identity!

You base your points on a video made by a samsung fanboy bro.

-Design? well yeah I was the 1st last year to complain about the M9 copy-pasting the M7 and M8 like iphone and samsung do with their flagships. The face of the 10 is like the A9 while the back is VERY close to the M7,M8,M9 so they kept the HTC identity somehow.

-No STEREO speakers? there are stereo speakers, but because people here and there complained last year that the M9 didn't have a fingerprint scan, they just moved the 2nd speaker down, but they still are stereo and even better than before

-Who give a F*** if they have put a secondary focus camera on the M8 but not on the M7,M9 and 10? Same goes for the capacitive buttons (which were again asked by all the fans).

This video is a proof that this guy is a iphone-galaxy S lover who is convinced that a company should stick with the exact same design for years as well as buttons,cameras...it's really a pity to see how bad these fanboys are trying to find a negative about the 10, in the same time it makes me laugh because it's all non-sense. HTC listened to the complaints of the users on the forums (lack of capacitive buttons,design change,fingerprint scan...) and they did the 10 to satisfy us, now that they did that we should complain about it??
And yes I am talking about the guy who did the video so we are clear about that.

I prefer that company change every year the design of the flagship as long as it sticks to the high grade materials like aluminum, restore capacitive buttons and implement a better camera.

The only thing I didn't like on the 10 is that they got rid of Sense useful apps like Car,Music and Gallery to satisfy people who always complained they want a ''close to vanilla Android UI''
The speakers on the 10 are just dual mono, not stereo.
Salloum wroteThe speakers on the 10 are just dual mono, not stereo.
One midrange and one ''subwoofer'', good enough to reproduce amazing sound quality, better than any other phone on the market.
Yesterday night they said on the news iphones sales are down 16% compared to last year, ipads are even worse with 19%, main reason? no innovation in the design or OS for years, pointing out it's bad to keep the same exact things years after years, it's boring in the end
vegetaleb wrote
Salloum wroteThe speakers on the 10 are just dual mono, not stereo.
One midrange and one ''subwoofer'', good enough to reproduce amazing sound quality, better than any other phone on the market.
How do you figure that? The Nexus 6P and Xperia Z5 have stereo front facing speakers. They haven't been compared, but it's a good guess to think those two might do better than the 10.
vegetaleb wrote Yesterday night they said on the news iphones sales are down 16% compared to last year, ipads are even worse with 19%, main reason? no innovation in the design or OS for years, pointing out it's bad to keep the same exact things years after years, it's boring in the end
You're right, it's because of stagnation of new technologies. What can an iPhone from last year not do that the new one can? The differences are smaller and smaller each year. But I think it's all over the market, not just on iDevices. We're not seeing any new breakthroughs (worthwhile ones) for a while now and the quality of newer devices has improved drastically. Phones can last 2-3 years without breaking down. All of the above, in my opinion, is the main reason people are upgrading less and less. As for iPads, well I always thought the tablet was just a fad that would disappear. Phablets (5.4-6.0") phones sales are higher than ever and people don't see the need for an iPad. Add to that the fact that iPads are amazing in quality (I have an iPad 2 on iOS 9 that is seriously flawless after almost 5 years of heavy usage) and there you have the reason for low sales.