It's normal, the S7 has 6 weeks of updates advance on the 10 but the 10 will be same speed in a month with next updates as it's the same snapdragon s820
Again, it's normal, the S7 has 6 weeks of updates advance on the 10 but the 10 will be same speed in a month with next updates as it's the same snapdragon s820
You can't expect a phone with beta software to beat phones that have weeks of updates, it's totally unfair, another samsung bought video!
HTC 10 and S7 have both the same s820 so it's BS
vegetaleb wroteAgain, it's normal, the S7 has 6 weeks of updates advance on the 10 but the 10 will be same speed in a month with next updates as it's the same snapdragon s820
You can't expect a phone with beta software to beat phones that have weeks of updates, it's totally unfair, another samsung bought video!
HTC 10 and S7 have both the same s820 so it's BS
actually, its most likely that the S7 is the Exynos variant, which is superior to the Snapdragon 820 in terms of CPU perf.

Only few markets are getting the Snapdragon 820, US mainly due to modem compatibility with and licensing.
MKBHD's review https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kiECQodMqE

Well this review pretty much confirms everything I thought. The 10 is a great phone but it can't beat the S7 edge due to camera and battery performance, unless you don't care about these two things. At the end it's camera, battery, bigger brighter screen vs better looks, better Android skin and better audio. To me (and for my needs), the S7 edge wins.
Salloum wroteMKBHD's review https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kiECQodMqE

Well this review pretty much confirms everything I thought. The 10 is a great phone but it can't beat the S7 edge due to camera and battery performance, unless you don't care about these two things. At the end it's camera, battery, bigger brighter screen vs better looks, better Android skin and better audio. To me (and for my needs), the S7 edge wins.
Nop!
This was true before the update, check the video and see how much better the camera is now with the update 1.3.
Told ya! Beta software vs final ;)
Now the 10 is equal to S7 and even beats it in low light


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y53prRRWd6g
vegetaleb wrote
Salloum wroteMKBHD's review https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kiECQodMqE

Well this review pretty much confirms everything I thought. The 10 is a great phone but it can't beat the S7 edge due to camera and battery performance, unless you don't care about these two things. At the end it's camera, battery, bigger brighter screen vs better looks, better Android skin and better audio. To me (and for my needs), the S7 edge wins.
Nop!
This was true before the update, check the video and see how much better the camera is now with the update 1.3.
Told ya! Beta software vs final ;)
Now the 10 is equal to S7 and even beats it in low light


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y53prRRWd6g
Did they fix the problem of poor focusing and OIS indoor especially for moving objects and macro shots?
kfc wrote
vegetaleb wrote
Salloum wroteMKBHD's review https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kiECQodMqE

Well this review pretty much confirms everything I thought. The 10 is a great phone but it can't beat the S7 edge due to camera and battery performance, unless you don't care about these two things. At the end it's camera, battery, bigger brighter screen vs better looks, better Android skin and better audio. To me (and for my needs), the S7 edge wins.
Nop!
This was true before the update, check the video and see how much better the camera is now with the update 1.3.
Told ya! Beta software vs final ;)
Now the 10 is equal to S7 and even beats it in low light


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y53prRRWd6g
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Did they fix the problem of poor focusing and OIS indoor especially for moving objects and macro shots?

From what i have red on several websites regarding the latest firmware, it fixed white Exposure, color saturation and shutter speed for more correct ISO.

HTC 10 does not have problem focusing, it's just not fast. It uses Contrast detection AF, not the new Phase Detection AF like newer smartphones.
The 10 however has ToF sensor '"Laser AutoFocus"' that works perfect for still objects, however useless for moving objects.

As for OIS the "wobble or jello effect" produced is due to the correction made by the OIS module, an inherent problem of OIS. you can reduce the effect by limiting the OIS correction range, but you get more shakiness in the video. Manufacturers tend to work an optional sweet spot.
haidcar wrote
kfc wrote
vegetaleb wrote
Nop!
This was true before the update, check the video and see how much better the camera is now with the update 1.3.
Told ya! Beta software vs final ;)
Now the 10 is equal to S7 and even beats it in low light


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y53prRRWd6g
b
Did they fix the problem of poor focusing and OIS indoor especially for moving objects and macro shots?

From what i have red on several websites regarding the latest firmware, it fixed white Exposure, color saturation and shutter speed for more correct ISO.

HTC 10 does not have problem focusing, it's just not fast. It uses Contrast detection AF, not the new Phase Detection AF like newer smartphones.
The 10 however has ToF sensor '"Laser AutoFocus"' that works perfect for still objects, however useless for moving objects.

As for OIS the "wobble or jello effect" produced is due to the correction made by the OIS module, an inherent problem of OIS. you can reduce the effect by limiting the OIS correction range, but you get more shakiness in the video. Manufacturers tend to work an optional sweet spot.
So how can one take a proper photo of a kid who is playing in the room using the HTC 10 if the laser autofocus is useless?
kfc wrote
haidcar wrote
kfc wrote b
Did they fix the problem of poor focusing and OIS indoor especially for moving objects and macro shots?

From what i have red on several websites regarding the latest firmware, it fixed white Exposure, color saturation and shutter speed for more correct ISO.

HTC 10 does not have problem focusing, it's just not fast. It uses Contrast detection AF, not the new Phase Detection AF like newer smartphones.
The 10 however has ToF sensor '"Laser AutoFocus"' that works perfect for still objects, however useless for moving objects.

As for OIS the "wobble or jello effect" produced is due to the correction made by the OIS module, an inherent problem of OIS. you can reduce the effect by limiting the OIS correction range, but you get more shakiness in the video. Manufacturers tend to work an optional sweet spot.
So how can one take a proper photo of a kid who is playing in the room using the HTC 10 if the laser autofocus is useless?
Hahahaha
Yeah and you have the 10 to claim such things? :)
If you want the S7 so hard go and buy it, nobody is stopping you
Just so you know there is a thread on XDA for people who actually bought the S7 Edge and are selling it to get the 10, the edges are pain in the a** for typing and it makes the phone very fragile.
vegetaleb wrotethe edges are pain in the a** for typing and it makes the phone very fragile.
Opinions, opinions.
Not the fragile part. The edge screen can't have a tempered glass screen protector applied and a due to the tiny bezels of the display and the fact it curves on the sides make it more prone to shatter during drops.
vegetaleb wrote
kfc wrote
haidcar wrote

From what i have red on several websites regarding the latest firmware, it fixed white Exposure, color saturation and shutter speed for more correct ISO.

HTC 10 does not have problem focusing, it's just not fast. It uses Contrast detection AF, not the new Phase Detection AF like newer smartphones.
The 10 however has ToF sensor '"Laser AutoFocus"' that works perfect for still objects, however useless for moving objects.

As for OIS the "wobble or jello effect" produced is due to the correction made by the OIS module, an inherent problem of OIS. you can reduce the effect by limiting the OIS correction range, but you get more shakiness in the video. Manufacturers tend to work an optional sweet spot.
So how can one take a proper photo of a kid who is playing in the room using the HTC 10 if the laser autofocus is useless?
Hahahaha
Yeah and you have the 10 to claim such things? :)
If you want the S7 so hard go and buy it, nobody is stopping you
Just so you know there is a thread on XDA for people who actually bought the S7 Edge and are selling it to get the 10, the edges are pain in the a** for typing and it makes the phone very fragile.
I am basing my question on a review that I read and which talked about this problem and I am asking whether the software updates fixed this issue. What bothered you exactly in that?

Here I am quoting the review in which you can see the taken photos: (http://www.slashgear.com/htc-10-camera-review-teething-pains-for-ultrapixel-2-14436254/)

"When things get darker, however, it can become a real problem. Left to its own devices, and the phone can spend awkward seconds drifting in and out of focus. Even tapping to set the focus point manually can fall short, and all too often I found I missed the shot I was aiming for.

Crank that frustration level up by a factor of ten if your subject is moving. I picked a relatively placid moment for an impromptu photo-shoot with my cat, Penelope, and ended up with perhaps three in-focus pictures out of more 20-30 attempts.

Of those which were actually sufficiently crisp enough to be useful, the lag between my tapping to take the shot and the HTC 10 capturing it was so great, two of the three lost any semblance of the composition I was aiming for. Really, it was only a matter of luck that she hadn't moved more and spoiled the focus.

I've also been less than impressed by the HTC 10's macro abilities. Distances that, on an iPhone 6s or a Galaxy S7 would present no issues, are simply too close for the HTC to focus on. The following shot is about as close to the tipsy cat as I could get and still have it crisp."
Here some of the S7, Iphone 6 people who want to get the 10: http://forum.xda-developers.com/htc-10/help/bought-s7-edge-return-period-switch-to-t3368870

''I'm coming from an iPhone so I have no brand/device loyalty, but root/jailbreaking is high priority for me. It doesn't seem like the S7e has any advantages over the 10 besides screen (honestly not the biggest fan of the curved screen anyway). Should I make the switch? ''

''Lol, iPhone 6 Plus here as well. And I can't wait to get rid of this overpriced junk. I can't do crap with IOS like what I can do on Android. #power10 it is.....beside I never fall for S7 or edge when it first release. I'm glad hTC waited. ''

''I returned my s7e today and ordered the 10; I found that unless you have the hands of a giant, you will continually hit the edges and cause miss types/screen jumps. I also couldn't deal with the lack of ad blocker and the DPI was too big, even with the new native scaling. AND I thought the curved edges would be in addition to the screen, but they really occupied about 1/8" on either side. ''
@vegetaleb

No one has problem with HTC 10, it's a very good device. Though like anything out there in the world it's got some negatives.
The following is not my opinion but rather a objective statement of facts:

HTC 10 Uses the Sony IMX 377, Sensor and module. Just like the Nexus 5X, they even use the same ToF sensor (laser AF) the STvl6180X expect the 10 has the added OIS.
If you have red reviews of the Nexus 5X, you would know that it is slow to focus especially if subject is moving and/or in low light situation, an inherent drawback of the old Contrast Detection auto focus.
There is already a TWRP build for htc 10.
hussam wroteThere is already a TWRP build for htc 10.
That's good news :)