vegetaleb wroteThe 4460 is the last in the benchmarks, even the 6400 can beat it most of the time.
They brought the 6400 because 6600k is out of stock worldwide and 6500 will be a Christmas blockbuster next month. They want to sell as many 6400 they can at the highest price it could be before they bring the 6500 which will also sell like bread.
What I mean:
They bring the 6400 without the others for a month, instead of selling it at 190-200$ (because the 6500 will be at 205 to 215$), they will sell it at 210 to 220$, also the expensive mobos they have actually with 1151 will finally be sold to match the 6400 ;)
Then a month later they bring the 6500 at 205-215$, the 6400 will be at a normal price of 190-200$, the choice of the mobos will be broader too.
Unless they plan to bring only the 6400 and 6600k without anything in the middle, which totally s*ck, which means I will be forced to buy from abroad using DHL Borderlinx...because I hate when Lebanese shops force you to pay the max.
he is selling the 6400 for 230$ now
I must say, they reached their normal price levels pretty fast. the 6400 for 230 is good deal
The 6400 normal price in Lebanon will be 190 to 199$ max when the 6500 and 6600K will be available, as I said before they brought the 6400 alone now to put a high price on it before the other 2 come.
The 6500 will be between 205 and 220$, you just have to wait another month give or take.
I base my projected prices on previous prices history, 4440 = 6400, 4460 = 6500, 4690k = 6600k...

Edit: So it's 230$ TVA included and 209$ without, even then it's 10 to 15$ more than the future price of the 6400, it will be the price of the 6500, so yes I will wait another month and get a better CPU for the exact same price.
It looks like they are selling this non-K CPU without the others to sell their actual Z170 motherboards, there are no H170 yet which is a marketing game as you will not gain a single fps by buying a 30-50$ more expensive Z board than H, but for the dude who really want to get the 6400 now he has no choice!
vegetaleb wroteThe 6400 normal price in Lebanon will be 190 to 199$ max when the 6500 and 6600K will be available, as I said before they brought the 6400 alone now to put a high price on it before the other 2 come.
The 6500 will be between 205 and 220$, you just have to wait another month give or take.
I base my projected prices on previous prices history, 4440 = 6400, 4460 = 6500, 4690k = 6600k...

Edit: So it's 230$ TVA included and 209$ without, even then it's 10 to 15$ more than the future price of the 6400, it will be the price of the 6500, so yes I will wait another month and get a better CPU for the exact same price.
It looks like they are selling this non-K CPU without the others to sell their actual Z170 motherboards, there are no H170 yet which is a marketing game as you will not gain a single fps by buying a 30-50$ more expensive Z board than H, but for the dude who really want to get the 6400 now he has no choice!
It's more like 4440/4460 = 6400, 4570/4590 = 6500 and 4670K/4690K = 6600K.
Die_Kapitan wrote
vegetaleb wroteThe 6400 normal price in Lebanon will be 190 to 199$ max when the 6500 and 6600K will be available, as I said before they brought the 6400 alone now to put a high price on it before the other 2 come.
The 6500 will be between 205 and 220$, you just have to wait another month give or take.
I base my projected prices on previous prices history, 4440 = 6400, 4460 = 6500, 4690k = 6600k...

Edit: So it's 230$ TVA included and 209$ without, even then it's 10 to 15$ more than the future price of the 6400, it will be the price of the 6500, so yes I will wait another month and get a better CPU for the exact same price.
It looks like they are selling this non-K CPU without the others to sell their actual Z170 motherboards, there are no H170 yet which is a marketing game as you will not gain a single fps by buying a 30-50$ more expensive Z board than H, but for the dude who really want to get the 6400 now he has no choice!
It's more like 4440/4460 = 6400, 4570/4590 = 6500 and 4670K/4690K = 6600K.
Nope!
4590=6600 (non K)
You have 2 entry level i5 CPU, the 4440 and 4460 and the 6400 and 6500, then the mid one aka 6600 and the higher grade 6600k
Btw 6400 and 6500 have only 5 to 10$ difference in the US just like the 4440 and 4460
vegetaleb wrote
Die_Kapitan wrote
vegetaleb wroteThe 6400 normal price in Lebanon will be 190 to 199$ max when the 6500 and 6600K will be available, as I said before they brought the 6400 alone now to put a high price on it before the other 2 come.
The 6500 will be between 205 and 220$, you just have to wait another month give or take.
I base my projected prices on previous prices history, 4440 = 6400, 4460 = 6500, 4690k = 6600k...

Edit: So it's 230$ TVA included and 209$ without, even then it's 10 to 15$ more than the future price of the 6400, it will be the price of the 6500, so yes I will wait another month and get a better CPU for the exact same price.
It looks like they are selling this non-K CPU without the others to sell their actual Z170 motherboards, there are no H170 yet which is a marketing game as you will not gain a single fps by buying a 30-50$ more expensive Z board than H, but for the dude who really want to get the 6400 now he has no choice!
It's more like 4440/4460 = 6400, 4570/4590 = 6500 and 4670K/4690K = 6600K.
Nope!
4590=6600 (non K)
You have 2 entry level i5 CPU, the 4440 and 4460 and the 6400 and 6500, then the mid one aka 6600 and the higher grade 6600k
Btw 6400 and 6500 have only 5 to 10$ difference in the US just like the 4440 and 4460
6600 = 4670/4690
You has Haswell CPUs which are the ones with 40 and 70 in the end and Haswell Refresh CPUs, with a slight 0.1-0.2GHz overclock over Haswell, with 60 and 90 in the end. Haswell had the i5 4440, 4460, 4570, 4590, 4670, 4690, 4670K and 4690K while Skylake has the 6400, 6500, 6600 and 6600K, I'm comparing clocks, rank and price.
Yeah I meant 6600=4690
6600k=4690k=250-260$
6500=4460=205-215$
6400=4440=190-199$
All prices not VAT and pcandparts
can someone explain to me why the 6400 is 2.7ghz and what difference does it make that its not a 3.2 like the 4460 and how to compare them otherwise
aliessayli2 wrotecan someone explain to me why the 6400 is 2.7ghz and what difference does it make that its not a 3.2 like the 4460 and how to compare them otherwise
The 6400 is a bit faster with newer architecture and DDR4 ram instead of DDR3 like the 4460
aliessayli2 wrotecan someone explain to me why the 6400 is 2.7ghz and what difference does it make that its not a 3.2 like the 4460 and how to compare them otherwise
Intel wants to make more money, they have seen how the 4460 undercutted the 4590 and 4690 by being clocked at just 0.1GHz less than the 4590 (0.3GHz turbo), 0.2GHz less than the 4690 (0.5Ghz turbo) and being substantially cheaper, so they clocked the 6400 at 2.7GHz because it's easy to fool people into thinking that 2.7GHz is bad, as people rarely see the turbo speed (3.3GHz), which makes the 6500 sell more and maybe even the 6600. From a performance standpoint, the 6500 is better if you can get it for less than $15-$20 more than the 6400, otherwise the 6400 is the better deal. Frankly, I wouldn't get a locked CPU, I'd pay more, nearly $70-$80 more, and get an extra year from the CPU down the road.
Stygmata wrote
aliessayli2 wrotecan someone explain to me why the 6400 is 2.7ghz and what difference does it make that its not a 3.2 like the 4460 and how to compare them otherwise
The 6400 is a bit faster with newer architecture and DDR4 ram instead of DDR3 like the 4460
Die_Kapitan wrote
aliessayli2 wrotecan someone explain to me why the 6400 is 2.7ghz and what difference does it make that its not a 3.2 like the 4460 and how to compare them otherwise
Intel wants to make more money, they have seen how the 4460 undercutted the 4590 and 4690 by being clocked at just 0.1GHz less than the 4590 (0.3GHz turbo), 0.2GHz less than the 4690 (0.5Ghz turbo) and being substantially cheaper, so they clocked the 6400 at 2.7GHz because it's easy to fool people into thinking that 2.7GHz is bad, as people rarely see the turbo speed (3.3GHz), which makes the 6500 sell more and maybe even the 6600. From a performance standpoint, the 6500 is better if you can get it for less than $15-$20 more than the 6400, otherwise the 6400 is the better deal. Frankly, I wouldn't get a locked CPU, I'd pay more, nearly $70-$80 more, and get an extra year from the CPU down the road.
thanks guys really appreciate it, I saw the turbo speed 3.3 which got me really confused on what's going on, this clears things a bit
BTW what is the difference between H170 and B150 motherboards???
They both are limited in terms of OC and both take i5 Skylake, though the B150 is cheaper.
pcandparts has the Gaming Pro B150 at the same price as the M3 H170
vegetaleb wroteBTW what is the difference between H170 and B150 motherboards???
They both are limited in terms of OC and both take i5 Skylake, though the B150 is cheaper.
pcandparts has the Gaming Pro B150 at the same price as the M3 H170
The H170 chipset is the mid-range consumer chipset while the B150 is the low-end business chipset, H170 has more features, and that's it.
Yep but which features?
I couldn't find something more with H170, both have newest support for SSD, USB 3.1...
vegetaleb wroteYep but which features?
I couldn't find something more with H170, both have newest support for SSD, USB 3.1...
B150 doesn't support PCIe M.2 SSDs, only has 8 PCIe 3.0 lanes compared to H170's 16 lanes, SLI isn't supported though, H170 has more USB 3.0 ports and that's it.
To the average consumer H170 and B170 aren't much different. if you are budget minded go for whatever cheaper option u can get. H170 isn't worth the price difference over B170 and vise-versa.

It would be much better to invest in a z170 if you are looking for multi gpu and PCI SDD builds.
haidcar wroteTo the average consumer H170 and B170 aren't much different. if you are budget minded go for whatever cheaper option u can get. H170 isn't worth the price difference over B170 and vise-versa.

It would be much better to invest in a z170 if you are looking for multi gpu and PCI SDD builds.
Well, H170 makes sense if you're going single-GPU, don't want to overclock and have a PCIe SSD. Personall, I'd go with a low-end Z170 over H170.
It all depends on the CPU right? If I choose the 6500 then I take the H170 or B170, if I take a 6600k I get a Z170
I checked Pcandparts and they have the i5 6500 for 208$ excl. VAT wich is a mere increase of 3$ over the i5 6400. They even have the i7 6700k for 379$ excl VAT wich is expensive but considering that it is priced at 359£ on amazon UK wich equals to 552$, it is NOT SO expensive.