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Hello all,
in the last 3 years I have installed more than 30 DSL modems, home routers, cable connections etc for relatives, friends and some costumers. mostly for teens under 18 who asked their parents for internet for "study, school research and educative purposes", a lot of those people have parents who are computer illiterate(some don't even know how to power on a computer) and little used ogero's DSL or its parental protection service.

Yesterday a 16 year old student of mine told me that he is passing a problem of (porn addiction), he can't focus on his studies anymore and he is feeling depressed, and to some extinct he is facing some "Paraphilic" effects. what was amazing that I discovered that most of his friends-maybe all but some are shy- are passing the same problem and they simply can't tell their parents because they are afraid, and eventually they are not having any help.
one of the students told me that they should have protection against such stuff and I decided to play a role in such issue:
here are some of the requests that could be sent to the minister of telecommunication-I know some people here can contact him directly- and serious measures should be taken against this toxic impact on our youth

first: DSL Parental control should be by default ON
second:All ISP's should have Parental control service
third:it should be free
forth: to deactivate it you should be +18 and provide official request for deactivation


please don't argue me with the following issues:
-porn is not bad (this could be your opinion) but all people agree that people under 18 should not watch porn
-They can use proxies(not all children or teens are geeks and even though it would be a physiological barrier)
-stop them from getting internet(simply can't be done) current education is based heavily on internet resources
-use home software for parental protection( most parents don't know how to power a computer then they of course won't know how to manage parental protection software

Note:if this is a internet and networking subject please move it there although I am focusing on social impacts not on technical
I think every addiction, good or bad, need to be cured by a psychologist/psychiatrist.
I honestly don't think Parental Control can solve such problem.
I do agree with Abbabbj, something indeed has to be done. And just for the record, I am not a religious person at all, I don't believe in anything and still find it quite not suitable for people under 18.
scorz wroteI think every addiction, good or bad, need to be cured by a psychologist/psychiatrist.
I honestly don't think Parental Control can solve such problem.
If parental control existed by default, children wont be prone to access the explicit material. A psychologist/psychiatrist is just a remedy, but a real solution is to access the root of the problem and limit access. In addition to that, not everyone can afford a personal psychologist.

Furthermore, I think there is a huge role that schools should be playing and they are not on the level of sexual education, ethics, morals and decency. Private and public schools are really bringing up horrible generations year after year not just on the level of morals and decency but also many other things not related to the scope of this thread.

Now someone will jump in and say "this exists in every country and society among teens". Well yes but it is still a problem. The right way is not always popular, the popular way is not always right.
1- I will never promote any form of censorship, be it for something as silly as porn. A quote wrongfully attributed to Voltaire: "I don't agree with what you say, but I'll fight with all my strength so you'd have the right to say it".

2- It's incredibly naive to think that any "filter" will stop people anyone who wants access to porn (or any content online). As a teen in the 90's in Lebanon, our problem was the availability of certain rock albums (censorship from another era). You couldn't get it through legal channels, but ALL of us still found a way to listen to Metallica, Iron Maiden and such. My point is, censorship and filtering internet content will only create legal complications, and send innocent kids to jail, while not solving any issue at all.
a 16 year old kid with porn addiction?

I'm sorry but how on earth is that bad? You should be worried about the 16yo that are NOT addicted to porn. Those are the ones with the problem.

Being 16 and sexually thirsty is, and please quote me on this, NORMAL.
xterm wrotea 16 year old kid with porn addiction?

I'm sorry but how on earth is that bad? You should be worried about the 16yo that are NOT addicted to porn. Those are the ones with the problem.

Being 16 and sexually thirsty is, and please quote me on this, NORMAL.
But there is a huge difference between pornography and sex. What you would see in pornography is not possible to do in normal sex on the moral and ethical level at least. In addition to that everything is over exaggerated. This gives people a very wrong view of what sex is about. Porn is about abuse and feeding animalistic desires more than it is about love, nature and healthy human beings mating.
Instead of focusing how to ban what they can access, which will only make things worse because the more it is forbidden, the more it will be desirable, they should just focus to divert such an attention into something more entertaining and not sexually harmful, such as online games maybe? Or filling their free time with something fun, such as playing a musical instrument or art.

Thus I totally disagree with what is suggested.
Watching Porn is normal,when i was 16,that was almost a daily thing for me,like xterm said,the problem lies in a 16 year old who is not interested in porn.

Plus,its easy as shit to use a proxy.

and rahmu,thank you for the memories,i remember those moments as well,but it was Pac and Em and biggie for me.

oh and since all you guys dont agree with the suggestion,yall are a bunch of virgins who watch porn too :P
Yea, like Xterm said,
It is totally normal for a teen "addicted" to porn.
When me and my friends were in our 13-14 years of age,
We were so addictive about having sex,the only thing running in our heads was Boobs and Kitty cats :p
We could not stop not having sex, so we just went every week to have sex,u know, by paying the girls..

Anyway, to quote Xterm another time,
Its is completely Normal for Teens to be addicted to porn (was it doing it, or just watching it),and specifically for teen Boys,
Now if it was for teenage Girls, that is a whole different story, and a big problem, that needs to be worked out immediately , or else its gonna turn out to be a bigger and a huuge problem in the future for her !
AymanFarhat wroteBut there is a huge difference between pornography and sex. What you would see in pornography is not possible to do in normal sex on the moral and ethical level at least. In addition to that everything is over exaggerated. This gives people a very wrong view of what sex is about. Porn is about abuse and feeding animalistic desires more than it is about love, nature and healthy human beings mating.
You speak as if those youngsters are eventually applying everything they see in pornography. 16yo's are curious, that age may very well be, as you put it, the 'animalistic' age. It's part of growing up; Yes, it is more abundant these days than it was during my time but that really doesn't change a thing. Perhaps it's even better, since we used to fantasize about teachers/neighbors/friends and the lot, they at least fantasize about some random *cough* actress/actor; wouldn't that be more ethical? Or should we even be denying them masturbation, which, is a very healthy thing to do at their age (or any age for that matter).

I'm replying to you specifically because you clearly mentioned 'not religious'. Ethics, I can speak of. Religion, I won't answer.
AVOlio wroteNow if it was for teenage Girls, that is a whole different story, and a big problem, that needs to be worked out immediately , or else its gonna turn out to be a bigger and a huuge problem in the future for her !
No! It's not! Watching porn will not in any way affect her 'future' as you're implying it.

Teenage girls are just as curious as teenage boys except they have more control. Teenage boys are sperm-ticking bomb waiting to explode.

Nymphomania is a disease, that is not caused by watching porn.

Note: I want to apologize to Abba for hijacking his thread *if* he found no usefulness in my posts.
Internet, CDs, DVDs, Flash disks, VHS (remember those?)

Take the internet away, that will not stop porn, not even slow it down.
AVOlio wroteWe were so addictive about having sex,the only thing running in our heads was Boobs and Kitty cats :p
We could not stop not having sex, so we just went every week to have sex,u know, by paying the girls.
DAFUQ? Every week, with different women? at 14? AIDS and STDs must be going well with you.

xterm wrote
AymanFarhat wroteBut there is a huge difference between pornography and sex. What you would see in pornography is not possible to do in normal sex on the moral and ethical level at least. In addition to that everything is over exaggerated. This gives people a very wrong view of what sex is about. Porn is about abuse and feeding animalistic desires more than it is about love, nature and healthy human beings mating.
You speak as if those youngsters are eventually applying everything they see in pornography. 16yo's are curious, that age may very well be, as you put it, the 'animalistic' age. It's part of growing up; Yes, it is more abundant these days than it was during my time but that really doesn't change a thing. Perhaps it's even better, since we used to fantasize about teachers/neighbors/friends and the lot, they at least fantasize about some random *cough* actress/actor; wouldn't that be more ethical? Or should we even be denying them masturbation, which, is a very healthy thing to do at their age (or any age for that matter).

I'm replying to you specifically because you clearly mentioned 'not religious'. Ethics, I can speak of. Religion, I won't answer.
On the biological level I do agree with you, it is healthy for us men in general. I am not saying to deny anyone of anything at all. But what I am not sure about is the acting in videos itself, simply because there isn't any awareness going on to tell the youth that what they see is not what they should expect in real life from their future wives for example. That is all. Nothing is wrong with seeing normal sex or attractive stuff for "discovery" purposes for teens.

Again, schools have a huge role they are not doing in my opinion.
most of you are missing abbabbj's point, his student problem is depression because of the addiction, and ofcourse this is unhealthy, it is unhealthy to any kid outheir to have porn as their only source of sexual knowledge, and that they cannot talk about with someone else because.they are shy or afraid, making them confused and depressed and will mostly affect their education greatly. School and parents are the ones that should work on it, and limitting to some pornoghraphic material is also advisable ( there just some stuff that is beyond sexual thirst, it is just sick XD).
اصدرت وزارة التربية والتعليم العالي البيان التالي: إبتداءً من الشهر المقبل ستقوم الوزارة بي توزيع الآت أي باد مجهزة بي خطوط انترنت سريع حسابات مجانية على المواقع الإباحية العالية الجودة المعروفة و ذلك في إطار مشروع دعم الشباب
Metalloy wrotemost of you are missing abbabbj's point, his student problem is depression because of the addiction, and ofcourse this is unhealthy, it is unhealthy to any kid outheir to have porn as their only source of sexual knowledge, and that they cannot talk about with someone else because.they are shy or afraid, making them confused and depressed and will mostly affect their education greatly. School and parents are the ones that should work on it, and limitting to some pornoghraphic material is also advisable ( there just some stuff that is beyond sexual thirst, it is just sick XD).
I was shy, I was unsociable, I was depressed, I couldn't focus.

I turned out alright.
Off with their D**** !
@Mettaloy: I agree fully with one part of your post, namely that the problem is that it's difficult for some people to talk about this. The problem is not the availability of content, but the stupid taboo society forces upon you.

Limiting content available is a Bad Thing. What if someone wanted to censor Lebgeeks on account that, according to them, the forum "is just sick"?
xterm wroteI turned out alright.
That's debatable...
I don't consider the issue as alarming as Abba says it is, but I highly support one of his suggestions:
"DSL Parental control should be by default ON". This can prevent accidental exposure.

I mildly support Abba's cause for the following reason: I'm not worried about 16 year old teens and up. What I'm worried about are children below 14 getting exposed to such stuff. This current generation is sadly vile and unethical. I have personally know many teens showing Adult movies to children under the age of 12 just for the hell of it. And those children got traumatized to say the least.
In other words, they should be exposed to adult stuff only when they are of suitable age.
When I was 16 years of age, I had parental guidance that helped me a lot. So I was aware of everything without being exposed to "Weird" sexual behavior as promoted by the Internet.

In my days, it was considered an achievement if a girl smiled back at you, it lit up my whole day...But in these awful days, boys and girls go groping all over without any sense of shame...Sad days indeed.
rahmu wrote
xterm wroteI turned out alright.
That's debatable...
you sir just won the internet XD
now to make things clearer, lebgeeks
isnt really harming anyone or at least
doesnt have any psychological effect
on the user, however a lot of porn materials
can actually cause psychological issues to
early age viewers.