1st the shop you are talking about is TechnoMania,
2nd Win Basic has limited features Like Aero, and cant create adhoc network
3rd it is vat excluded
How much is it with VAT ? And Avok95 tarek is stubborn, if you check the facebook page we are fighting which is better gt 540m or 6650 .Again according to notebookcheck.net... the gt 540m is better but he is telling me the opposite so im confused
Gamer wrote1st the shop you are talking about is TechnoMania,
2nd Win Basic has limited features Like Aero, and cant create adhoc network
3rd it is vat excluded
aero? adhoc? big words XD
if you can breifly explain those two terms, nothing too technical, if i find interesting i will look more into it myself.
VAT is 10% so its approx $770
but also they have other laptops between 700 and 799.

Also GGC which is 100 meters before Technomania. (facing Pain Dor and another baker)

found a link with the difference between win 7
http://www.neowin.net/news/main/09/04/30/windows-7-whats-the-difference-between-the-editions

P.S. still recommend looking for a Desktop. cause it would last longer than 2 - 3 years
also in the long run it would be cheaper to upgrade cause you would by upgrade piece by piece every few years instead of buying a new laptop every few years
The laptop is just at least 1 year of gaming and in the summer i will buy a ps3,so i got it all covered. The windows basic is it upgradable to premium?
yes it is upgradable but you would have to pay full retail price.
also why wait till next year for ps3 why not now? considering maybe next year or the year after ps4 might (this is speculation) be released.
Skyrim is available on the consoles. (xbox & PS3

the cost of the upgrade
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows7/products/compare
Click on Feature Comparison
Sony hasnt released the ps vita yet so why talk about ps4 and next year ps3 will be really cheap.Now back to the thread, isnt there a pirated version of premium?
upgrading cost less then full retail price.
Metalloy wroteupgrading cost less then full retail price.
yes you are right my bad,
the link i shown you is the cost of upgrading from an older windows (Xp Vista)
Achmed wroteHow much is it with VAT ? And Avok95 tarek is stubborn, if you check the facebook page we are fighting which is better gt 540m or 6650 .Again according to notebookcheck.net... the gt 540m is better but he is telling me the opposite so im confused
"The performance of the 540M lies between the Radeon HD 5650 and 5730 in our first benchmarks. Therefore, the 540M is about 10% faster than the GT435M using DDR3 graphics memory. Using GDDR5 it may be as fast as the HD 5750 / 5770."

Quote straight from notebookcheck.net.

Considering that this is to be said of the performance of the HD6650: "The 3D performance should be similar to the older Radeon HD 5730 due to the larger amount of shaders."

Then this puts the 540M between the 5650 and the 6650, hence the 6650 is faster.

Why are you going into such a headache and getting a budget gaming laptop? It won't work with you no matter how you try. You're already paying the price premium for getting a portable platform such as a laptop, budget laptop = low-end.

Consider the other factors: heat, comfortability, and usability (are you going to be gaming on the go?), upgradeability, moddability, customiseability, and most importantly price. Right now, I could build you a $600 PC that would crush any laptop that you're looking for in that budget range. Not only that, it's also cooler, upgradeable, comfortable to use, and customiseable in every way imaginable, etc... heck even if I got you a non-branded PSU it would STILL be more reliable than a laptop's power adapter (only difference being that a non-branded PC PSU is more dangerous, but I factored in the price of a reliable PSU into the $600.) Think of it carefully, with gaming you simply cannot skimp (even if you just want to run "low", one year down the line, you'll be struggling to run at low. Why do you need to face that?)

Another thing you'll need to consider, and is why Tarek was wise in giving you the CPU suggestion: laptop CPUs are usually sluggish. They REALLY bottleneck the graphics card's performance, even if it was a low-end or a midrange card. I'm talking about the AMD Turion X2's especially, and the low-end Core 2 Duos. Going with anything less than a fast Core i3 (laptop), or a Core i5 (much better, most laptop i5's are dual cores), is suicide. You'd be buying overpriced components and then running them at 50% of the capability. Trust me, I had experience with this.


EDIT: Oh yes, consider something else. When running on battery, the graphics card is usually slowed down (drastically) to lower power consumption. Yes you could turn it back up, and lower drastically your battery life, but it certainly does mean that you would need the laptop to be plugged in when gaming. Hence you're getting closer and closer to a PC. Especially taking into consideration that if you don't pay for a well-cooled laptop, you're going to need a cooling pad, bringing you closer to desktop, and if you do pay, then it's bringing you closer to a higher price point. In this way a desktop seems better and better.

The real question is this: are you willing to pay 800+ for low-end / low-midrange experience, or $800 or less for high-midrange experience (I'm talking about running high details) only sacrificing portability, which in this case, is detrimental to what you're doing (gaming)?


I read some previous comments: are you SERIOUS, you're going to get a PS3 one year later, when it's almost a dead platform? Dude, get a good PC and be done with it :P

How cheap? $200?? Put those towards a good graphics card, and upgrade bits here and there. Go for a budget of $1000 for a desktop if possible. It would be golden :D
i have said it 100 times i know desktop is much much better , but i think i am more comfortable with a laptop. Im not going to spend the whole time on laptop playing games , i just want it to run them which both of these graphic cards can do.If i payed 1500$ for a gaming laptop , next year im sure it will be outdated so in both cases im wasting money.You seem to know in these stuff , should i go with khaleds offer to buy asus a53 with 6650 or acer with 540m?Unless you have other suggestions (and not buying/building a desktop :p or paying way above my budget)?
Achmed wrotei have said it 100 times i know desktop is much much better , but i think i am more comfortable with a laptop. Im not going to spend the whole time on laptop playing games , i just want it to run them which both of these graphic cards can do.If i payed 1500$ for a gaming laptop , next year im sure it will be outdated so in both cases im wasting money.You seem to know in these stuff , should i go with khaleds offer to buy asus a53 with 6650 or acer with 540m?Unless you have other suggestions (and not buying/building a desktop :p or paying way above my budget)?
You're sure it will be outdated in the next year? :P By that logic, if you buy ANY laptop, even if $4000, you could be outdated in 1 year. The point is that when you're buying hardware that is currently, and already, borderline, you're committing suicide. I suggest you call Tarek by phone, and agree with him on a good offer, he'd be willing to give you a good offer. See what he has, then decide. But for me, ASUS all the way.

You seem to want to keep the laptop ofc, even if it's not going to be fit for gaming after a certain timespan. For that, go for quality. The brand says it all.
sir, paying around 850$ for a low end laptop to game on for a year then getting a dead console a year after is kind of,well..stupid
ps3 is dead,xbox 360 is dead too, but not as much as a ps3, sony and microsoft are already working on new consoles right now as i type here, they is a high chance (80%) that they will show it off in 2012 and release in 2013, and then there's the hardware bugs that they will have and thats another year down the drain, low graphics settings on a pc is better than console for sure,now either pay more for a laptop,or get a desktop for same price or just get used to playing on low graphics!

Edit: oh did i forget the nintendo wii u? its to be released in 2012 and still you would go with ps3 in 2012?
nintendo wii u has AWESOME features and graphics, in fact in what ive seen it has way more better graphics than ps3 and xbox360, very close to pc graphics if not exactly the same
he wants a laptop to play on decent games in low settings for a year; is it really that hard?! then he wants to buy a ps3, so what?!! some people are still buying ps2 till now! and claiming ps3 and xbox 360 are dead is really a bold statement! their replacement.are.not even showcased yet!
now who can direct achmed.to the right decision please do, he knows that he's not.getting a dedicated laptop for gaming he just want to be able to.enjoy some from time to.time, and those who cant.help stop critisising; it is doing good to no one.
The only games that will run low on these 2 graphic cards are bf3 and some others and these games requires building a new desktop to run them .I missed out on every 2009-2010-2011 games and your telling me these 2 graphics cards will run them on low settings?It seems your an asus fanboy :p. I know if i stop gaming and use it for internet and multimedia , i need also to go for quality which the acer isnt that lacking.Mettaloy , finally someone who understands me .Shant , if i waited to ps4 (and im sure it will not release in 2012-2013) i need to pay alot of money to get 1 year of bad console gaming.
Achmed wroteThe only games that will run low on these 2 graphic cards are bf3 and some others and these games requires building a new desktop to run them .I missed out on every 2009-2010-2011 games and your telling me these 2 graphics cards will run them on low settings?It seems your an asus fanboy :p. I know if i stop gaming and use it for internet and multimedia , i need also to go for quality which the acer isnt that lacking.Mettaloy , finally someone who understands me .Shant , if i waited to ps4 (and im sure it will not release in 2012-2013) i need to pay alot of money to get 1 year of bad console gaming.
Yes, you're going to be running games like Crysis 1 (2007!), Crysis 2 (2011), Anno 1404 (2010), etc... at best at medium. These are all demanding... and are you really trying to tell me you're judging on buying a laptop based on whether it can run a 2 - 3 year old game? You can do that, but you have to consider what's coming up! I mean, look at CryEngine 3 and Frostbite 2, these engines have a lot going for them...both are destined to be used in several games. These are intensive. What I'm also saying is since you're going for a laptop, yes ASUS is the wisest choice since you would not be running into severe heat issues. As in, Alienware laptops and ASUS laptops usually have some of the best cooling in laptops. Alienware, ASUS, MSI, and Sager are the brands usually competing for high-end laptops. Yes Acer is good quality, but Acer cannot produce a "gaming" laptop. With all respect, that naming belongs to those companies, hence ASUS.

And about me being an ASUS fanboy, yes I am, and for logical reasons:
1) They produce some of the best laptops.
2) They produce the BEST PC motherboards. On HWbot, almost 50% of overclockers use ASUS motherboards.
3) They produce some of the BEST soundcards.
4) They produce some of the BEST graphics cards. Did you see the MARS II? Or the DirectCUII series? Great cooling for their cards, better power design, better PCB design, for like $20 more than the reference design.

I have an ASUS P6X58D Premium and an ASUS ENGTX260.

Are you kidding me?? ASUS is the way to go!

They require a new desktop to run them? Sorry dude that's just false. My 1.5 year old PC with a 3 year old GFX card (GTX 260) handles BF3 at high. But only the highest end of laptop GFX cards are superior to the GTX 260.

Heat kills components. Take it as a rule of thumb that every extra 10 degrees would halve the lifespan. You skimp on quality, you pay later in repairs. You go for quality, you enjoy the experience.

I'm also saying that once you go the proper PC gaming route, you may never want to go back. By then, you would have probably wasted some money. You're free to do whatever you want, but buying a PS3 when even the budget laptop you're going to buy is more than twice as powerful is not a wise choice, IMHO.

Just my 2 cents.
Your convincing me with going with an asus , which i want to , but the fact that they rank the gt 540m at better place than 6650 on sites worries me.Check youtube videos and you will find the gt540m running games on high settings and they are demanding.Im sure some, if not all , 2012 games wont run on my laptop then i would just pay 300$ for a ps3 and enjoy them with proper controls.Why will i pay 1500$$ for a laptop that runs games on high setting when i pretty much settle with medium settings.I asked something but nobody answered me , low settings graphics is even better than console graphics?
Yes, for some games, for others (non-demanding ones), medium is equivalent to consoles. BF3 low = console BF3 and if I'm not mistaken, Med Skyrim = console Skyrim.

A console is a bit less in power than a desktop 9600GT but more optimized, so that puts it around a 9600GT, which is capable of running BF3 at low on a PC at a medium resolution, which proves the point.
I will also check for the 540M to 6650 comparison. I will give you a full review if the info is scattered here and there, too.
That means low settings isnt that bad considering the console quality of bf3.Thanks man i will appreciate it very much .