its not his psu thats causing high temps for the gpu guys, i have a XFX650W black edition psu, its a SOLID product! and i have high temps too, i have the same card, and yes i changed thermal paste and put it the right way, i still have high temps
Blue screen issue!
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1) Going for the XFX 750W, I'll get it the first of November, I still need some cash.
2) For Memtest86, it drives me crazy, I stopped buying blank CDs since flash drives are for 10$. And the App that boot from the USB, is only for Linux!
3) Yeah, you got my point yasamoka, maximum until April, I'll have what I want of needed parts, that aren't upgradable ( XFX750W PSU - TT Element T case with all fans for cooling issues - WD 1TB hard-disk 7200RPM/64MB - TT Frio CPU cooler ) "BTW, will putting the CPU cooler first on my Q9550, and then on a i7 reduce cooling performance??"
After that, during summer I'll start my scout on what board and CPU to get. So the GTX460, will be the last to be upgraded.
4) Shant, did you bought your card from pcandparts??
Edit: BTW, I think the Gigabyte Boards ninja passed by pcandparts, and took all the boards!!!!
2) For Memtest86, it drives me crazy, I stopped buying blank CDs since flash drives are for 10$. And the App that boot from the USB, is only for Linux!
3) Yeah, you got my point yasamoka, maximum until April, I'll have what I want of needed parts, that aren't upgradable ( XFX750W PSU - TT Element T case with all fans for cooling issues - WD 1TB hard-disk 7200RPM/64MB - TT Frio CPU cooler ) "BTW, will putting the CPU cooler first on my Q9550, and then on a i7 reduce cooling performance??"
After that, during summer I'll start my scout on what board and CPU to get. So the GTX460, will be the last to be upgraded.
4) Shant, did you bought your card from pcandparts??
Edit: BTW, I think the Gigabyte Boards ninja passed by pcandparts, and took all the boards!!!!
yes,yes i did, its the same EE card as yours
What was your highest overclock? ( I got 850/1700/2000 at 1.05V )
Ilia,
here is a list of things that will live on even if you want to upgrade. Buy a good quality psu, we already decided on the xfx (if you can push your budget even more get the 850w and you will be set for a long time with multi high end gpus). Hdd as long as it doesnt die, but it will degrade in prformance and you will feel it being slower, but it doesnot affect fps (only in strategy games where new soldiers and unexplored areas). Cpu cooler, so far the best sold cooler in lebanon is TT frio, and since it supports almost all sockets (except lga 2011, dunno if they will release a bracket). Case, well its just a box :P.
I suggest either wait for a z68 board with pci-e 3.0 support, this will support Ivy bridge and future pci-e 3.0 cards, or simply order it from a vendor in lebanon, you all know what vendor i will recommend ROG store).
Stick an i5 or an i3, stick to your 460 just oc it. And wait for new cpu line-up and new gpus from amd/nvidia.
That is the most thoughtful thing to do right now.
My 460 ocs to 940 with ease, can push 970 and will push it even more on suicide runs, but not now.
Oh i almost forgot somthing, if your waiting for AMD's new cpu, i suggest you move on already as it sucks...
here is a list of things that will live on even if you want to upgrade. Buy a good quality psu, we already decided on the xfx (if you can push your budget even more get the 850w and you will be set for a long time with multi high end gpus). Hdd as long as it doesnt die, but it will degrade in prformance and you will feel it being slower, but it doesnot affect fps (only in strategy games where new soldiers and unexplored areas). Cpu cooler, so far the best sold cooler in lebanon is TT frio, and since it supports almost all sockets (except lga 2011, dunno if they will release a bracket). Case, well its just a box :P.
I suggest either wait for a z68 board with pci-e 3.0 support, this will support Ivy bridge and future pci-e 3.0 cards, or simply order it from a vendor in lebanon, you all know what vendor i will recommend ROG store).
Stick an i5 or an i3, stick to your 460 just oc it. And wait for new cpu line-up and new gpus from amd/nvidia.
That is the most thoughtful thing to do right now.
My 460 ocs to 940 with ease, can push 970 and will push it even more on suicide runs, but not now.
Oh i almost forgot somthing, if your waiting for AMD's new cpu, i suggest you move on already as it sucks...
I can push my budget and get the 850W, but it will make a hole in my face along my wallet. But should I? I don't have any interest in SLI at all, and I think the GTX6xx will consume much less power, also the new CPUs.
I'll upgrade my board, and of course the CPU at the same time, around august-September 2012, I think all the new releases would be known by then, and the bugs of each one, It's to early to discuss that upgrade.
But for now I just want to get rid of this damn BSOD! And use my GTX460 while staying under 80c, and the Q9550 under 70c, and have more than 320GB HDD space, is that too much :p ?
I'll upgrade my board, and of course the CPU at the same time, around august-September 2012, I think all the new releases would be known by then, and the bugs of each one, It's to early to discuss that upgrade.
But for now I just want to get rid of this damn BSOD! And use my GTX460 while staying under 80c, and the Q9550 under 70c, and have more than 320GB HDD space, is that too much :p ?
Hehe, we just want to help you by saving $, instead of replacing things over and over again.
May i suggest a fresh instal? Dont you have like an old hdd, even if its IDE?
Maybe you have driver conflicts, instead of just 1 driver being the issue. Did you remove firefox and all related programs?
May i suggest a fresh instal? Dont you have like an old hdd, even if its IDE?
Maybe you have driver conflicts, instead of just 1 driver being the issue. Did you remove firefox and all related programs?
although i admit many are much more experienced that i am (that have already posted) but just my idea about the whole issue
I can't get my head around about how this is JUST a PSU issue. If the PSU was indeed/faulty and dying then you would have problems even booting the PC - to the point that it wouldn't even POST
I know this is highly unlikely, but then again its a possibility (and from what i can tell you didn't try it yet)
Before plunging in, and buying anything, format with another Windows disc - i.e. buy another 2000LL. And even of possible install to another HDD - of course fresh format via the Advanced options before the install
Run some tests, and if BSOD comes back, shut down, remove your GPU, and use your built in (if any) or any other low power PSU instead. If BSOD still persists then we can definitely conclude its from the PSU
It wouldn't make sense if its a problem from from the RAM or CPU - since you will have much more serious problems than just BSOD
I remember i had very stupid issue i had which led me to believing i had damaged my PSU and mobo somehow was the fact that SOMETIMES my PC (in sig.) would fail to boot and not even post (lights turn on, then off, process repeats) to fix this issue i just would hard reset my PSU - although that didnt reassure me. I later realized that there was something wrong with the timings of my ram. After fixing it the issue was revealed, but it later turned out that the the mobo contacts with the tray and case was causing the problem. Im saying this just to show you how stupid a problem can be, and what it can lead to.
As for the PSU, i hear great things about XFX / also they are like sub-seasonic quality so a definite plus ! i bought my thermaltake toughpower since it has a 80+ GOLD rating, and i got a great price for it, not the 220$ advertised on Pcandpart, but actually for 185$ (with VAT aswell) from microcity, in box and everything (the lady there gave me a good price since i got annoyed when they delayed my parts for like 4 days), and it is just enough for my system, with and without load - and i've never had any issues so far (tapping wood furiously)
I can't get my head around about how this is JUST a PSU issue. If the PSU was indeed/faulty and dying then you would have problems even booting the PC - to the point that it wouldn't even POST
I know this is highly unlikely, but then again its a possibility (and from what i can tell you didn't try it yet)
Before plunging in, and buying anything, format with another Windows disc - i.e. buy another 2000LL. And even of possible install to another HDD - of course fresh format via the Advanced options before the install
Run some tests, and if BSOD comes back, shut down, remove your GPU, and use your built in (if any) or any other low power PSU instead. If BSOD still persists then we can definitely conclude its from the PSU
It wouldn't make sense if its a problem from from the RAM or CPU - since you will have much more serious problems than just BSOD
I remember i had very stupid issue i had which led me to believing i had damaged my PSU and mobo somehow was the fact that SOMETIMES my PC (in sig.) would fail to boot and not even post (lights turn on, then off, process repeats) to fix this issue i just would hard reset my PSU - although that didnt reassure me. I later realized that there was something wrong with the timings of my ram. After fixing it the issue was revealed, but it later turned out that the the mobo contacts with the tray and case was causing the problem. Im saying this just to show you how stupid a problem can be, and what it can lead to.
As for the PSU, i hear great things about XFX / also they are like sub-seasonic quality so a definite plus ! i bought my thermaltake toughpower since it has a 80+ GOLD rating, and i got a great price for it, not the 220$ advertised on Pcandpart, but actually for 185$ (with VAT aswell) from microcity, in box and everything (the lady there gave me a good price since i got annoyed when they delayed my parts for like 4 days), and it is just enough for my system, with and without load - and i've never had any issues so far (tapping wood furiously)
1) I tried 3 Windows so far, same result.
2) Could my board be in contact with the case? I never though of that, sometimes my PC wont start, after messing with my RAMs maybe the board is moved away. :/
3) It's now between: PSU - Overheating - Board, could be the cause of this BSOD.
2) Could my board be in contact with the case? I never though of that, sometimes my PC wont start, after messing with my RAMs maybe the board is moved away. :/
3) It's now between: PSU - Overheating - Board, could be the cause of this BSOD.
I thought i mentiond the case/motherboard thing! Or was that in another thread?
Ilia try to remove the motherboard from the case and test and see.
Ilia try to remove the motherboard from the case and test and see.
Just recovered from a fail, no BSOD now, my PC is spitting in my face. I was playing COD4 ( not that big load ), and it just failed, restarted without any thing, just tick.
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That was another thread :)Beej wroteI thought i mentiond the case/motherboard thing! Or was that in another thread?
Ilia try to remove the motherboard from the case and test and see.
No BSOD huh, just a restart ?
im completely lost as of now :P
Good luck bro.
I remember my really old 2002 AMD Athalon would do that under heavy CPU load - you sure those temps are cool on load right ?
Other than that it really does seem like a PSU issue.
Hope you'll upgrade some day
Use 6 pieces of these : They're called Standoffs.ILIA_93 wrote1) I tried 3 Windows so far, same result.
2) Could my board be in contact with the case? I never though of that, sometimes my PC wont start, after messing with my RAMs maybe the board is moved away. :/

Wow, lots to buy :D .
Where can I get some of these?
Where can I get some of these?
random pc storeILIA_93 wroteWow, lots to buy :D .
Where can I get some of these?
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Nice points...but to clarify the issue...the problem is not that the PSU is unable to provide enough current / voltage for bootup...actually bootup is the toughest part of PSU load since all the components draw their peak power to startup (For example, HDD enclosures provide much more than the usual 0.5-0.6A for 5V/12V for HDD, since it draws more when spinning up.). Startup has a short duration, and powering the system from practically no load, to max load, the PSU can cope with the load. If you check any PSU, you'll notice it has peak power output. This is the kind of output it can provide for a short time. For example, 1250W PSUs can provide 1500W peak power. This is no problem. The problem arises when load is sustained, or idle level is reached after load. The voltage fluctuations, dips, and spikes, are enough not only to restart your PC, or cause a BSOD, but to corrupt HDD, ruin memory. Even if it can cope now, there's no guarantee it will not age with all the load, and eventually you power your system on and obtain some chocolate sauce from the PSU and paperweights ;)The-MMMs wrotealthough i admit many are much more experienced that i am (that have already posted) but just my idea about the whole issue
I can't get my head around about how this is JUST a PSU issue. If the PSU was indeed/faulty and dying then you would have problems even booting the PC - to the point that it wouldn't even POST
It wouldn't make sense if its a problem from from the RAM or CPU - since you will have much more serious problems than just BSOD
Now about memory. It shouldn't really cause more serious problems than BSOD. That's because memory errors are of many types. If you try to run Memtest86+, you'll see that it tests memory in multiple ways: access, transfer, etc... For example, if you have a defective memory module, it shouldn't necessarily show any problems until you utilize enough RAM to use that chip and reach the error point. At that point, it could cause BSOD, crash, etc... And also, unstable timings may allow you to boot into Windows, but once you're there, it would cause freeze, or BSOD. It could take your entire HDD filesystem down with it too. That's why I would NEVER recommend you boot into Windows with unstable memory. Windows writes a system file to memory, then reads it back corrupted, and writes it to disk, that's simply begging for disaster.
Hope this clarified a few issues.
@ILIA_93: Of course, Memtest86+ is Linux-based, but does not require Linux to run. Memtest86+ boots before any other OS boots on your system. That's its whole point. There should be no problem whatsoever running memtest86+, as long as you've configured your BIOS to boot from USB first, THEN DVD/HDD.
If you don't find these standoffs, or simply want to try them before you buy any, you're free to pass by my house and borrow mine, since I'm running my system open-bench now. PM me if you would like to do so.
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Thank you yasamoka, you're very kind (And full of knowledge).
I wont need them now, not before I get the new case, if I noticed that I may need them, since I'm getting a TT case, so I think they should pay attention to such issues.
I wont need them now, not before I get the new case, if I noticed that I may need them, since I'm getting a TT case, so I think they should pay attention to such issues.
Does this mean you don't have the standoffs under your board?
By the way,I had the same BSODs you are having with my older STRIKER ii FOMULA and Core 2 DUO E8400
Exactly the same with same BSOD msg.
It turned out to be from the nvidia drivers related to ( Storage manager - as i recall)
Fresh installed the first couple of times with all drivers and same thing happened.
The last time i decided to exclude that driver and it worked with no more BSOD.
Your cpu is watt hungry but i doubt the PSU is the problem unless its realllll old.
But again, my board is nvidia chipset, but thought this may help..
By the way,I had the same BSODs you are having with my older STRIKER ii FOMULA and Core 2 DUO E8400
Exactly the same with same BSOD msg.
It turned out to be from the nvidia drivers related to ( Storage manager - as i recall)
Fresh installed the first couple of times with all drivers and same thing happened.
The last time i decided to exclude that driver and it worked with no more BSOD.
Your cpu is watt hungry but i doubt the PSU is the problem unless its realllll old.
But again, my board is nvidia chipset, but thought this may help..
My TT case came with those...brass standoffs...good quality too, so check if the case you're planning to buy has these included. And you're most welcome :)ILIA_93 wroteThank you yasamoka, you're very kind (And full of knowledge).
I wont need them now, not before I get the new case, if I noticed that I may need them, since I'm getting a TT case, so I think they should pay attention to such issues.
7 days later
Update: So, BSOD came again, after restart i select check for solution ( in the annoying message that comes after fail that i cancel it every time), and the solution was like this :
But who trust Windows!! Right guys? :D
How can a HDD fail cause BSOD!!! I guess that the system should stop responding, why the BSOD, how could the windows that can't read from the HDD open BSOD?Troubleshoot a problem with a hard disk drive
Windows was temporarily unable to read your hard disk drive. We don't know the exact cause of the problem. In most cases, this type of condition is momentary and doesn't indicate a serious problem, but sometimes it means that a hard disk is failing.
Common causes of this problem
Aging or failing hard disks. To prevent file corruption and data loss, we recommend that you back up all of your important files and folders immediately. See step 1 in the section below for more information.
Large file transfers from secondary media, such as an external hard drive, to a local hard drive.
Loss of power to a hard disk drive that causes inconsistent data sectors.
Hard disk-intensive processes such as antivirus scanners.
Recently installed hardware that might have compatibility and performance problems.
Before you begin the troubleshooting steps below, we recommend backing up the files and folders on your computer.
But who trust Windows!! Right guys? :D