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#1 March 29 2012

fegelein
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Feedback for Ogero

Ogero is finally giving unlimited download at night! The ministry of telecommunications announced this after adding another 10 GB to Lebanon's 23 GB international bandwidth. Though it didn't specify if it's for all regions or a select few, this is actually more important than the last speed upgrade, yet strangely I can't find a single article or even a comment about this anywhere on the web. I thought everyone was crying out for unlimited internet(well torrent and magnet users were anyway), yet nobody seems to care now that it happened?

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#2 March 29 2012

mohammadk97
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Re: Feedback for Ogero

Finally! when will it start?

EDIT: Ok found this site, but I didn;t understand much, will they add 10 gb bandwidth? Will the unlimited traffic will be only for the 122,000L.L. subscribers?

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#3 March 29 2012

fegelein
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Re: Feedback for Ogero

No it will be for applied for all speeds, including the lowest 24,000 L.L 1Mbps plan. More than that I haven't got a clue.

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#4 March 29 2012

Raficoo
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Re: Feedback for Ogero

The amendment was supposed to be signed yesterday at Wednesday Cabinet meeting, but no word of any updates so most are presuming it wasn't signed (hopefully just because other more important topics were overshadowing it) and I've heard that it should be signed next Tuesday/Wednesday

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#5 March 29 2012

AVOlio
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Hmm, from what i know,  Ogero has the best Pings of all ISP providers right ?!

If that is correct, and with the new unlimited night traffic ..

Prepare for a Huuge croud of customers Ogero..!
I will be switching directly to Ogero after these news are really confirmed

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#6 March 29 2012

xazbrat
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AVOlio wrote:

Hmm, from what i know,  Ogero has the best Pings of all ISP providers right ?!

If that is correct, and with the new unlimited night traffic ..

Prepare for a Huuge croud of customers Ogero..!
I will be switching directly to Ogero after these news are really confirmed

That sounds good in theory, but if this were to happen, other ISP's who are losing customers, would start having better ping rates while Ogero who is going to be taking on all of these new customers, will have a deterioration in performance.  It will sort itself out eventually, though.

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#7 March 29 2012

xterm
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Hopefully it will never be applied.

Thanks

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#8 March 29 2012

AVOlio
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Hopefully what will never be applied ?!

@xterm  ?!

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#9 March 29 2012

Jinx
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From the Facebook Page of Nicolas Sehnaoui

Nicolas Sehnaoui
Tuesday via Facebook for iPhone

Good news of the day: change of tarif Decree will be sent to the Council of Ministers on Wednesday
If approved: MOT DSL subscribers will get unlimited quota from 12am to 7am
Also, additional consumption will be decreased to a 100 MB base instead of 1GB

Lets hope it get signed..

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#10 March 29 2012

Aly
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Ogero subscribers say goodbye to QoS.

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#11 March 29 2012

firoolinux
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What about Visp subscribers is it confirmed or not is it an official company I'm downloading from 3am till 7 am 4 hours using torrent magnet Url but can't get an accurate speed 1Mb/s i think visp lately shaped torrent ports from 10000 getting a 100MB in 1 hour with 256Kb/s i dont know why visp shaped those ports???

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#12 March 29 2012

Raficoo
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xterm wrote:

Hopefully it will never be applied.

Thanks

now why would you hope that?
this is what happens to me each month from Facebook, reading blogs, general browing and some youtube
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I have been paying extra like this since day one of DSL(my case 2007)
so if I take an average of paying 80,000L.L/month extra.. and multiple that by about 4 years and a bit and that ends up with me paying ~$2500 just for extra usage.. just so to use the internet without getting random cuts, or slow downs(a few exceptions) and I never torrent on my connection

I hope it does get passed so that I can save up some money/month and with the news of international bandwidth increasing(23gbit/s to be 33gbit/s in a few weeks) hopefully this means the QoS won't decrease as it would have with only 3Gbit/s international bandwidth)

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#13 March 30 2012

Kassem
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Raficoo wrote:

I have been paying extra like this since day one of DSL(my case 2007)

You cannot possibly consume this amount of bandwidth with regular usage. Are you sure your LAN is not cracked by some neighbor of yours?

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#14 March 30 2012

Khaled
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mmm well yes ....

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I think it wouldnt be a bad idea to let this pass

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#15 March 30 2012

xazbrat
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xterm wrote:

Hopefully it will never be applied.

Thanks

I have mixed feelings about it too--I want the extra quota, but when it becomes a free for all, it doesn't usually work out for the end user.  I wish they would have doubled the quotas for example, until at least the bottlenecks in the network are worked out.

Raficoo wrote:

this is what happens to me each month from Facebook, reading blogs, general browing and some youtube
http://i42.tinypic.com/xd8fvl.png
I have been paying extra like this since day one of DSL(my case 2007)

Raficoo--is the 10 gig plan available in your centraal--that costs 32K and gives you more quota to work with and maybe reduce your overages?

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#16 March 30 2012

xterm
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Unlimited Night Traffic means only one thing: Everyone is abusing the bandwidth.

I myself, do not consume much per month but when I do, I want my connection to be of great quality. I used to get that with Ogero, but as of a few months ago (hint: decree) I haven't had any decent service whatsoever.

The difference between Ogero and other ISPs was that Ogero did not provide Unlimited night traffic. If this passes, you may as well kiss all your online gaming goodbye.

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#17 March 30 2012

Padre
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xterm wrote:

Unlimited Night Traffic means only one thing: Everyone is abusing the bandwidth.

I myself, do not consume much per month but when I do, I want my connection to be of great quality. I used to get that with Ogero, but as of a few months ago (hint: decree) I haven't had any decent service whatsoever.

The difference between Ogero and other ISPs was that Ogero did not provide Unlimited night traffic. If this passes, you may as well kiss all your online gaming goodbye.

Amen

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#18 March 30 2012

Raficoo
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Kassem wrote:
Raficoo wrote:

I have been paying extra like this since day one of DSL(my case 2007)

You cannot possibly consume this amount of bandwidth with regular usage. Are you sure your LAN is not cracked by some neighbor of yours?

2 users at home, and I'm pretty sure not cracked, switched to WPA2 long ago :)

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#19 March 30 2012

cullinan86
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xterm wrote:

Unlimited Night Traffic means only one thing: Everyone is abusing the bandwidth.

I myself, do not consume much per month but when I do, I want my connection to be of great quality. I used to get that with Ogero, but as of a few months ago (hint: decree) I haven't had any decent service whatsoever.

The difference between Ogero and other ISPs was that Ogero did not provide Unlimited night traffic. If this passes, you may as well kiss all your online gaming goodbye.

I beg to differ. In 90% of countries of the "civilized" world they have unlimited quota 24/7, and their gaming latency is always adequate for gaming.

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#20 March 30 2012

xterm
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cullinan86 wrote:

I beg to differ. In 90% of countries of the "civilized" world they have unlimited quota 24/7, and their gaming latency is always adequate for gaming.

No matter how much you beg to differ that my logic doesn't apply outside Lebanon, my statement holds correct, granted, well we do live in Lebanon.

Everyone uses the internet for his own needs, I myself do not need unlimited quota, neither night or 24/7. All I want is a decent connection where my speed wouldn't drop to 3KBps at peak hours.

My days of "I want to download the Internetz" have ended at least 10 years ago.

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#21 March 30 2012

yasamoka
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xterm wrote:

Unlimited Night Traffic means only one thing: Everyone is abusing the bandwidth.

You do forget that a fraction of the users fully utilize their unlimited bandwidth at night. Not all people are going to be downloading at full speed for 7 hours every night.

For example, IDM used to justify 4GB of quota by saying that 90% of users use less than their allowed quota. Since they were catering for the majority, then they saw 4GB as reasonable. However, requirements change. I am a heavy downloader and I don't always have something to download at night. Especially when you have higher speeds, you would be able to download what you want in the first few hours.

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#22 March 30 2012

DG
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I am with Xterm on this. What allowed Ogero to keep QoS was the fact that they didn't have unlimited downloads and double speeds. I am also not someone who cares about downloading. I care about low ping and connection stability.
Xterm, don't you think the QoS will stay the same at Ogero until 12:00am hits ? I mean maybe the pings will get higher only between 12:00am and 7:00pm. Outside that interval, things could remain the same as now.

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#23 March 30 2012

Kassem
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I personally always consume my monthly quota. No matter how large it's going to be, I'll always consume it. But I also control my usage to exactly what I'm allowed to consume (my free quota). In the past, I used to cross the limit by a maximum of 1-2 GB, but I haven't in a long while. When I have something I really need to download, I usually ask one of my friends with unlimited night quota to do it for me. But that usually happens once every 2-3 months (whenever there is an interesting event by Microsoft, such as MIX11 or TechDays). Other than that, I'm totally fine with my 2Mbps / 20GB connection, so yeah I am with xterm and I have the same concerns if that decree passes.

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#24 March 30 2012

Tarik
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The unlimited night traffic is really not worth it if it's gonna ruin the connection. It's far from enough for someone who really needs a lot to download. Still I think very few people play online games after midnight; at least my wow guild didn't, we always finished at 11:30.

There are tons of stuff that I can only watch online but I just have to let go. I currently consume 20GB per month with my brother WITHOUT downloading any of the major shows I would have liked to watch. Watching starcraft2 shows and streams needs around 30GB monthly. We don't even download the t.v. series we watch like family guy, or game of thrones (second season coming next month), we just buy them from some dvd shop on demand (I don't know from where this guy gets his internet). This is all without taking into account the anime (japanese cartoon) I'm currently following or those I would have liked to watch. I've actually stopped watching some really good anime shows after coming to Lebanon.

The real problem in Lebanon is that there is no real demand for a good internet connection. Most people are satisfied with what they have and have no real need for bigger quota.

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#25 March 30 2012

yasamoka
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As DG pointed out, the service MAY be affected only during the time unlimited downloads is allowed. Sodetel, if I'm not mistaken, combats this by FUP, slowing down the heavy users to a still fast enough speed. The problem with latency in all other ISPs, at least during the day, cannot be related to offering unlimited downloads. Even if bandwidth was suffering during the day, there's no reason why it should suffer during the night. Even in that case, unlimited downloads can still be offered.

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