yasamoka
xterm wroteUnlimited Night Traffic means only one thing: Everyone is abusing the bandwidth.
You do forget that a fraction of the users fully utilize their unlimited bandwidth at night. Not all people are going to be downloading at full speed for 7 hours every night.
For example, IDM used to justify 4GB of quota by saying that 90% of users use less than their allowed quota. Since they were catering for the majority, then they saw 4GB as reasonable. However, requirements change. I am a heavy downloader and I don't always have something to download at night. Especially when you have higher speeds, you would be able to download what you want in the first few hours.
dg-1618
I am with Xterm on this. What allowed Ogero to keep QoS was the fact that they didn't have unlimited downloads and double speeds. I am also not someone who cares about downloading. I care about low ping and connection stability.
Xterm, don't you think the QoS will stay the same at Ogero until 12:00am hits ? I mean maybe the pings will get higher only between 12:00am and 7:00pm. Outside that interval, things could remain the same as now.
Kassem
I personally always consume my monthly quota. No matter how large it's going to be, I'll always consume it. But I also control my usage to exactly what I'm allowed to consume (my free quota). In the past, I used to cross the limit by a maximum of 1-2 GB, but I haven't in a long while. When I have something I really need to download, I usually ask one of my friends with unlimited night quota to do it for me. But that usually happens once every 2-3 months (whenever there is an interesting event by Microsoft, such as
MIX11 or
TechDays). Other than that, I'm totally fine with my 2Mbps / 20GB connection, so yeah I am with xterm and I have the same concerns if that decree passes.
Tarik
The unlimited night traffic is really not worth it if it's gonna ruin the connection. It's far from enough for someone who really needs a lot to download. Still I think very few people play online games after midnight; at least my wow guild didn't, we always finished at 11:30.
There are tons of stuff that I can only watch online but I just have to let go. I currently consume 20GB per month with my brother WITHOUT downloading any of the major shows I would have liked to watch. Watching starcraft2 shows and streams needs around 30GB monthly. We don't even download the t.v. series we watch like family guy, or game of thrones (second season coming next month), we just buy them from some dvd shop on demand (I don't know from where this guy gets his internet). This is all without taking into account the anime (japanese cartoon) I'm currently following or those I would have liked to watch. I've actually stopped watching some really good anime shows after coming to Lebanon.
The real problem in Lebanon is that there is no real demand for a good internet connection. Most people are satisfied with what they have and have no real need for bigger quota.
yasamoka
As DG pointed out, the service MAY be affected only during the time unlimited downloads is allowed. Sodetel, if I'm not mistaken, combats this by FUP, slowing down the heavy users to a still fast enough speed. The problem with latency in all other ISPs, at least during the day, cannot be related to offering unlimited downloads. Even if bandwidth was suffering during the day, there's no reason why it should suffer during the night. Even in that case, unlimited downloads can still be offered.
babum
it could be that in order to afford higher bandwidth (Because of the much higher night demand) they have to resort to buying bandwidth from satellite rather than fiber because it is cheaper. This way day internet could get affected.
Also, as you may have read many comments of people saying that they will switch to Ogero if it happens. They will also be using the internet during the day, straining the current capacity of the system.
The-MMMs
I think were generalizing here
Im pretty sure that Ogero will FUP the abusers (even though it will be unlimited FREE night)
That being said, Ogero, why am i still on 256kbit connection; ive nagged on twitter to Sehnaoui about it, managed to get a reply, replied back but nothing, so now ive just passed all my research onto Ontornet; i hope they come up with some solution to these areas, or at least some compensation (im not asking for the impossible to happen, but it isn't fair that others enjoy the faster speeds and i don't at the same price)
dg-1618
babum wroteAlso, as you may have read many comments of people saying that they will switch to Ogero if it happens. They will also be using the internet during the day, straining the current capacity of the system.
You have a point. Let's hope this doesn't happen... or we can, kiss online gaming goodbye as xterm said.
babum
Well I think it is going to be like that in the short term, lower speeds and very bad connection. But once Ogero settles down and increases capacity things will go back to normal.
dg-1618
The funny thing is that Ogero's connection has been bad for the past 2 months or so.
I get extremely low download speeds at night and speetest's page doesn't even load... and the unlimited night traffic is not even on yet.
Fischer
If you're interested you could do like me :)
in lebanon we have ogero, and independent Isp right?
I don't use ogero, even if ogero gives you a very fast internet connection, it give 4 gb bandwidth per month, you know what lets assume it is 10 gb, not enough for me, it's enough if you just use facebook and these stuff, i waste 2gb of bandwidth per day lol,, coz i keep downloading and uploading stuff lol
what i did is go with an independent isp, which give a "good" speed, with 2 gb of bandwidth per day, and to boost my internet speed i use google dns, (you could use opendns, in my case google dns is better, it depends on your location)
and now i can fully load a 30m youtube video in 1m or less i have an internet speed about 5mb/s... you may say not as fast as ogero... i say i don't have to worry about my bandwidth
yasamoka
someone wroteIf you're interested you could do like me :)
in lebanon we have ogero, and independent Isp right?
I don't use ogero, even if ogero gives you a very fast internet connection, it give 4 gb bandwidth per month, you know what lets assume it is 10 gb, not enough for me, it's enough if you just use facebook and these stuff, i waste 2gb of bandwidth per day lol,, coz i keep downloading and uploading stuff lol
what i did is go with an independent isp, which give a "good" speed, with 2 gb of bandwidth per day, and to boost my internet speed i use google dns, (you could use opendns, in my case google dns is better, it depends on your location)
and now i can fully load a 30m youtube video in 1m or less i have an internet speed about 5mb/s... you may say not as fast as ogero... i say i don't have to worry about my bandwidth
I didn't understand what you did there. May you explain more clearly please?
Fischer
I didn't understand what you did there. May you explain more clearly please?
I went with an independent isp, which gives you 2b of bandwith per day, but it is not as fast as ogero. there are a lot of independent isp companies
and i use google dns, instead of the default dns that i have, to boost the speed
https://developers.google.com/speed/public-dns/docs/using
please note that i am paying 45$
babum
independent as in local guy?
Fischer
@babum well yes, but there are companies like fastnet and others
yasamoka
Doesn't your choice of DNS only affect DNS lookup, which is how long it takes the DNS server to resolve the IP address of the domain name requested and send it to you? As in, how would it affect speed other than web browsing?
Fischer
@yasamoka true it only affects web browsing everything load faster, pages, youtube videos that;s what i said
Kassem
someone wrote@yasamoka true it only affects web browsing everything load faster, pages, youtube videos that;s what i said
No it does not.
Fischer
@kassem
yes it does, if u don't believe, read this post
http://lifehacker.com/5835775/google-dns-and-opendns-users-are-getting-a-web-speed-boost
if you don't believe it, try it, if you don't want to, well... stick to what you believe, we all believe in things, whether they are right or wrong, if everyone believed in 1 thing, we would all have one religion... or no religion lol
DISCLAIMER I said in some cases, open dns is better than google dns, it depends on your location
Kassem
The reason behind the speed bump is that OpenDNS and Google are working with Content Delivery Networks (CDNs) to attach location data to the DNS requests, so when you request a web page, it will go to a server near you rather than, as previously mentioned possibly a server that's not closest to you.
That simply confirms yasamoka's post. But that does not mean that if your connection is 1Mbps, it's going to boost it to 4Mbps, not even to a 1.1Mbps. It simply means that it will cut down on the time it needs to resolve and locate the requested content, but it won't make the rate at which the bytes are transferred over the internet any faster.
Got it? :)
