SpaceX Starlink in Lebanon

xazbrat wrote

RandomMemory wrote

xazbrat wroteI am not sure they can stop this (at least this regime)---all you need is a starter kit ($500)--not sure if it is Canadian or USD though and you are off---and also, $100 for unlimited use. I was watching this and found this pretty funny----start around 10 minute mark https://youtu.be/Fh1a2K9ZgNA when he is talking about latency.

that's nice and all but how are you gonna get it into the country?

You may have to go outside the country to bring it in, but it is pretty low profile, so it could be brought in parts and wouldn't raise any flags. Doesn't matter anyway, it will be a while before it is even potentially available in this part of the world. The only coverage seems to be in the US and Canada atm and as has been pointed out in many places, every single large scale satellite internet venture has failed, so may be for naught anyway.

How is it low profile though it's a one piece dish

RandomMemory wrote

xazbrat wrote

RandomMemory wrote that's nice and all but how are you gonna get it into the country?

You may have to go outside the country to bring it in, but it is pretty low profile, so it could be brought in parts and wouldn't raise any flags. Doesn't matter anyway, it will be a while before it is even potentially available in this part of the world. The only coverage seems to be in the US and Canada atm and as has been pointed out in many places, every single large scale satellite internet venture has failed, so may be for naught anyway.

How is it low profile though it's a one piece dish

The dish itself is 19 inches (48cm) which can you can bring in as luggage (maybe change the packaging) and the whole package itself (everything) is 7-8kg. Again, we are looking waaaaay down the future before it is potentially available. According to Linus, he was getting 125 mb speed and I would think that some 'ishtirak' guys would bring this in and easily charge $50 (or more) for a 10 meg speeds for a dozen subscribers easily making up the $100 monthly fee that Starlink is charging now. I wouldn't worry about it this happening anytime soon.

I am 100% sure that if you go to certain areas of lebanon, companies are spoofing their traffic by getting most of it out of external sources still. Sadly all these ishtirak people only care about providing the bare minimum service and don't maintain their infra.

RandomMemory wroteI am 100% sure that if you go to certain areas of lebanon, companies are spoofing their traffic by getting most of it out of external sources still. Sadly all these ishtirak people only care about providing the bare minimum service and don't maintain their infra.

As far as i know they don't. Last scandal was painful enough + they dont have $ anymore.

website now says that lebanon is target for 2022 and we can pay a deposit with first come first serve when it launches
what do you guys think ?

nosense wrotewebsite now says that lebanon is target for 2022 and we can pay a deposit with first come first serve when it launches
what do you guys think ?

https://i.imgur.com/kCi5nmE.png

It will 100% depend on legislation and will most probably be banned here.

Go for it. But know that you will definitely have to bring in with your luggage without getting caught. Others have done it for normal internet through satellite.

And make sure you install it and not tell anyone. Otherwise you'll be a "spy" lol.

do you have 100$ to spare every month? That's the price of the subscription. And this amount is fully refundable, if you plan to stay here and can afford it go for it, if it doesn't work out they will refund you but you also have to spend 299$ more when it's out to get the actual product.

=beezer
And make sure you install it and not tell anyone. Otherwise you'll be a "spy" lol.

As if they can decrypt VPN connections a spy doesn't need a dish on his roof. it is all about the monopoly and keeping their pockets full, I am not sure what role does private ISPs play in lebanon other than reseller for ogero to steal more money for shittier service cause it is impossible that they provide better service than ogero given they need to share bandwidth but maybe they are smuggling bandwidth as I see ASs not linked with ogero and directly to foriegn ISPs but could be for something else.

If they allow them to get there own installations and get their own bandwidth from abroad so we can have some competition and let the price be set by the free market until then we will keep having shit service on bad infrastructure by trash ISPs who all belong to one or 2 companies different names same shit.
It is sad that starlink is banned before it rolls out as it falls under the sat internet category, am not sure if they can force starlink to not provide the service in one way or another. ikreidieh follows elon musk on twitter hope he learns something from him.

private isp in lebanon= buy N bandwidth from ogero ->sell N/100 for 1000 clients, and throttle the heck out of them under what they call fup, until bandwidth <N

I know someone in Canada with a starlink, it seems pretty stable and fast.

nuclearcat wrote Some "others" got severe fines, and some spent time in jail. Be careful what you are advising for other people to do.
You advise people to commit a crime.
There are many ways to detect illegal satellite modem. From RF emissions, to ip leaks.

I had a whole thing written out but I'll summarize that if this shit hole doesn't give you the minimal respect to have something like clean tap water, electricity, proper roads, health and safety, and you have a way to get your own internet because god knows how much it'll end up costing and how crappy it'll be by 2022. Then yeah...I'd do it and be proud to do it. Because whatever money I can keep from giving their filthy disgusting hands I would. And for them to catch it through RF frequencies would be pretty damn impossible unless they have some damn expensive equipment to pinpoint exactly where it's coming from. The only way he would be caught is if someone rats him out.

I'm telling you I know someone who had a 3 meter dish two way satellite internet for years connecting to a European internet provider back in around 2008 and he was never caught.

beezer wrote

nuclearcat wrote Some "others" got severe fines, and some spent time in jail. Be careful what you are advising for other people to do.
You advise people to commit a crime.
There are many ways to detect illegal satellite modem. From RF emissions, to ip leaks.

I had a whole thing written out but I'll summarize that if this shit hole doesn't give you the minimal respect to have something like clean tap water, electricity, proper roads, health and safety, and you have a way to get your own internet because god knows how much it'll end up costing and how crappy it'll be by 2022. Then yeah...I'd do it and be proud to do it. Because whatever money I can keep from giving their filthy disgusting hands I would. And for them to catch it through RF frequencies would be pretty damn impossible unless they have some damn expensive equipment to pinpoint exactly where it's coming from. The only way he would be caught is if someone rats him out.

I'm telling you I know someone who had a 3 meter dish two way satellite internet for years connecting to a European internet provider back in around 2008 and he was never caught.

And they have that damn expensive equipment and it is even better than you expect. Because they are catching 20Ghz range P2P links. And i saw this equipment by my own eyes several years ago.
At 2008 it was sort of legal, ISPs was allowed to have satellite downlink. Knowing cost of 3m antenna and feasibility of such setup, i'm quite sure it was for ISP. And that is not most important.
Important, that you might be lucky and run 3m TX/RX antenna for 10 years, because nobody around give a shit. And you might be unlucky, if you have jealous neighbour who report you to police, when he spot your Starlink on first week using it.
In addition, Starlink clearly requires an open sky. Therefore, for example, if you live on the second floor, between dense buildings - you are out of luck.
So, it is extremely irresponsible to tell a person "go for it".
In my opinion, it is much more correct to explain all the pros and cons, and to help as much as possible so that a person does not get into trouble.

They are planning to release 60000 satellites. Astronomers are complaining already that it is heavily messing with their observations.

I don't like it too much.

If someone is living in a place with bad internet or in the middle of nowhere and they need fast internet then they should just move to a city.

rolf wroteThey are planning to release 60000 satellites. Astronomers are complaining already that it is heavily messing with their observations.

I don't like it too much.

If someone is living in a place with bad internet or in the middle of nowhere and they need fast internet then they should just move to a city.

I'm more frightened that if these satellites will start colliding with something, it will create such enormous space debris, that will lock humanity for many years on earth.

nuclearcat wrote

rolf wroteThey are planning to release 60000 satellites. Astronomers are complaining already that it is heavily messing with their observations.

I don't like it too much.

If someone is living in a place with bad internet or in the middle of nowhere and they need fast internet then they should just move to a city.

I'm more frightened that if these satellites will start colliding with something, it will create such enormous space debris, that will lock humanity for many years on earth.

It is not as bad as you think actually 60000 sats are nothing even if some broke appart chances you collide with one randomly is so slim, imagine you have 60000 cars roaming earth but everywhere is a road what is the chances 2 cars collide i mean that is 0.0001 car/km2 how about you have multiple layers chances decrease dramatically and being higher up the area is much larger so even with random debris that won't ever lock humanity in earth.

rolf wrote

nuclearcat wrote I'm more frightened that if these satellites will start colliding with something, it will create such enormous space debris, that will lock humanity for many years on earth.

Yes, true. Debris is going to be more and more of a concern for future launches.

Check this out, the live position map:

https://satellitemap.space/

this map exaggerates things a LOT it is not that bad