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I already have that setup and it works pretty well for me with an outside temperature of 0ºC and 80% humidity. My heater is constantly on the lowest setting and the fan does a great job at blocking street noise. I have to mention that my room is very well insulated so your mileage may vary.
Just point the ceiling fan slightly upwards and you will be amazed on how much the room gets warmer.
Good point. I'll try that tonight.
2 months later
I always believed that this was not an acceptable place to live, be based in, have a family, during the civil war years.

However I now realize that the war ended, but no progress has been made. The government is as negligent and absent in filling it's duties nowadays as it was back then.

A logical outcome of this reasoning is that it is still not acceptable to have a normal life in this country nowadays. Yet I am here now, so as long as I am staying here, I cannot accept this status quo, so I guess I have to do something about it.

The sound nuisance problem previously discussed is one of the symptoms of this root problem that I was talking about. Another symptom is the "garbage crisis" that was had here a few years ago.

This feels reasonable to me. Does anyone have something to suggest, or is able to help in some way?
After all most of us live in Lebanon, we would all benefit from some progress.
rolf wroteThis feels reasonable to me. Does anyone have something to suggest, or is able to help in some way?
After all most of us live in Lebanon, we would all benefit from some progress.
Start with yourself. That is what I'm doing.

Even if everyone is throwing his trash on the street, keep it till you find a bin.
Even if you feel everyone will judge you if you say you support (gay rights, civil marriage, whatever..), say it like it should be the norm.
Even if your whatever relative third cousin is running for elections, and all your family is pressuring you to vote for him, don't unless you think he is the best candidate.

Now imagine everyone forcing progress like this. We might get somewhere. To change society change yourself, or else everyone is just nagging about it.
rolf wrote This feels reasonable to me. Does anyone have something to suggest, or is able to help in some way?
After all most of us live in Lebanon, we would all benefit from some progress.
I am not sure if you are referring to the main issue of the thread or the poor quality of life in this country. All in all, you should focus on changing yourself not the world. To tell you the truth, I have been always keen on the idea that it is possible for one to reprogram his brain to better fit his environment without letting go of his standards. To be honest, I couldn't be satisfied in my attempts of doing so. I am always in a struggle, always telling myself that I can be more immune and less sensitive like some folks I see. Maybe I am wrong and all are in the same or similar struggle, maybe I have to learn to live with this struggle and accept as part of my identity. What are we exactly without our past and current struggles? I could not guess. Sometimes I wish I suppress less and that I shouldn't back down on what irritates me, my time is limited, I could not wait for my inner peace forever.
Sometimes we forget that we pursuit satisfaction and not the absolute justice, otherwise why we only care about what causes we only perceive and not the other billion causes on this planet? It is all about perception and this is why we suddenly feel better about life after going out and having fun with friends. Please remember to have fun as it always alters your perception, and teach yourself how to have fun because no one knows what that is to you except you.

Regarding noise pollution, I suffer from same problem and I wish my brain did not care about this like other members in my family but now I teach myself to be more relaxed about it. The key thing I found out is that I find the noise to be personal and that I did bind it with other grudges I have towards the people that makes this noise and so I did contribute in amplifying my torment. This is very interesting because I found out that this noise did not bother me, nor I even noticed it on many occasions while I was outside home. I am truly convinced that my pain is personal and is dominated by my dislike towards the people who make it and this is why I only notice it at home. Home is the place where you anticipate bad stuff to happen only because you want it to be your safe heaven and because major part of you bad memories has taken place in it.

Someone suggested Mantra to me and so I will try it, and I will keep you posted about my progress in my struggle and hopefully I can make an achievement without waiting years.
Guitaret wrote Regarding noise pollution, I suffer from same problem and I wish my brain did not care about this like other members in my family but now I teach myself to be more relaxed about it. The key thing I found out is that I find the noise to be personal and that I did bind it with other grudges I have towards the people that makes this noise and so I did contribute in amplifying my torment. This is very interesting because I found out that this noise did not bother me, nor I even noticed it on many occasions while I was outside home. I am truly convinced that my pain is personal and is dominated by my dislike towards the people who make it and this is why I only notice it at home.
That also applies to getting angry at traffic. Some just view cars as moving objects, others view them as people who intend to make your life difficult.
Uh both of you tell me to change myself, not the world.
I don't see how that helps.
We all share the space. Some persons try to make the world a better place, to improve it, maybe make it cleaner, greener and improve the quality of life for everyone.
Others shit on everyone by being bothersome, very selfish and making the quality of life worse for everyone.

Who would you like to change?

And also which one is more practical/cheaper/feasible?
To control sound nuisance levels in a neighborhood from 2 or three persons, or to install double glazing in all houses in the neighborhood (20+ buildings)?
To control air pollution level, or to research genetic solution for growing a third lung, or finding a cure to lung cancer?

It's all good, to be zen, to try to adapt. However we are all affected by our environment, we don't live in a void.
If you are satisfied with the environment and your relationship to it, then be it. I am not, on the other hand.

If we accept to live in bad conditions, then it is only logical that we would accept to make others live in bad conditions, in a way contributing to reproduce this problem.

By the way, I'm glad that you would not be throwing trash on the street, being tolerant, etc. I am like this too, and I am happy that more are like this and appreciate it.
Jerome wrote That also applies to getting angry at traffic. Some just view cars as moving objects, others view them as people who intend to make your life difficult.
Traffic used to bother me so much more when I first moved back to this country from Canada. The solution I found is my news feed reader app on my smartphone called greader. It can read all the articles in my news feed through the car's Bluetooth system. That's my morning ritual in traffic now and since I started that, the cars became "moving objects".

I still get bothered a bit from time to time when traffic is crazy, but I try to focus on isolating myself from the outside by listening to articles and learning new stuff. This time in traffic has allowed me to become much more knowledgeable about topics that I used to know nothing about.

I don't bury my head in the hand and pretend that this country is fine, but sometimes happiness and peace are a matter of perception and contentment.
a month later
I just found this study:

https://www.hindawi.com/journals/jeph/2012/235618/

Basically it says that intrusive noise pollution is directly related to level of health. Or in other worlds noise pollution is unhealthy - just like other types of pollution.

My question is whether anyway has any tips or support to offer in trying to report the issue ad have it dealt with by police (or such)?
rolf wroteI just found this study:

My question is whether anyway has any tips or support to offer in trying to report the issue ad have it dealt with by police (or such)?
This is case by case, and in all cases you can only work on mitigating the issue and not beat it to death.

Please bear in mind that is a very difficult problem to fix and I often read about celebrities facing the same issues and sometimes there is nothing they can do about it even with their huge bank account.

If you are referring to the noisy roundabout near your place, the police will definitely not help, I suggest you go beast mode in solving this:
Put it a number one priority to plant speed bumps on all roads near that roundabout, this will take the fun out for your friendly night-riders. This is election season and I am sure that if you take some of you neighbors with you to the municipality and ask for this you might get some help, if not ask for a meeting with the minister of transportation (وزير الأشغال). I am telling you that I have seen people getting what they want from officials by knocking on every door. Just don't give up and you will get this request answered, remember that corruption is a coin with 2 faces. Even if it is illegal to put those speed bumps, use all the means you have access to in order to get what you want.
Another thing that might help is putting a sign near this roundabout, a custom one made by the municipality to tell people to keep it quiet a night, one that is photo-luminescent. This will help a bit (I have seen this before in some streets in Lebanon). Some will tell you that it is useless and that all people will ignore it, I am telling you that not all people will ignore it, not all people are 100% careless.

Because you have my sympathy, I tried to help but I am not sure my ideas will be useful to you. I am sure there are plenty of other stuff you can do but remember a noisy neighborhood will always be a noisy neighborhood because population is going up, not down and so is the chaos.

Cheers
Thank you.

This is a difficult issue to solve but I've lived 4-5 years in Europe and never endured this problem. The only think I can think of is when I was in Germany, in a particular neighborhood, I suffered once or twice from Turkishmen "talking" (=shouting to each other in turkish) in the middle of the night, right under my window. I also had to endure noisy roommates, which was quite annoying.

But anyway the point I'm trying to make is that with some enforcement this issue can go away. It might be difficult for me to do any enforcement, especially on my own, however I don't think it's that difficult for police and authorities. I'm thinking all it would take is to post a staffed police car there, late in the afternoon and during the night for a few days to a week, and stop a few offenders, to make most if not all of the problem to go away. After all they're just a handful, maybe just 2 or 3 bikes, that are cause for all this. It would also be a good precedent to set.

Most of the annoyance comes from motorbikes, and I have observed that these have no license plates, so there is an excuse to stop them. Which by the way means the speed bumps might not be a great solution. There are already a few of them, and they mostly annoy the cars, that includes almost everyone in the neighborhood. Speedbumps might not get me many friends.

However you do make many good points. I also think that officials need a bit of pushing, but things can and do happen like that.

I think the best leads at the moment are, broadly:
- Try to talk with neighbors, gather support to create effective options
- Try to get the police/municipality involved

You mention that this is a difficult issue and that the population is going up and down, this should be good motivation to act. Unless we want to have even worse living standards than today in 10 years from now, something needs to be done about it!

Thank you for your support and advice, it is highly appreciated. Any amount of support is needed and welcome.