I was wondering what are the best ( well payed and leave you to have a life) companies in lebanon
I heard "Murex" pays really well...

P.S: graduating as a CS so 0 experience
"Murex" and 'have a life' in one sentence? Forget it :)
bluewolf wroteI was wondering what are the best ( well payed and leave u to have a life) companies in lebanon
I heard "Murex" pays really well...

P.S: graduating as a CS so 0 experience
If you're not an AUB graduate, they wouldn't even think of hiring you. This is one of the companies we complained about in another thread.
@kassem

ohh kk :D
am NDU so am doomed :P
Please don't emphasize on this too much. I'm going to adjust my other post.
Why don't you try CCT? They are a sister company to CCC; they develop software for CCC and other costumers. But entering the company isn't easy. You have to sit for 4 exams. 2 IQ exams, 1 programming exam, and 1 visual exam. After that you have the interview with the manager (a NOT very nice guy), who will ask you about everything in programming, databases, and software engineering. God darn it, I got accepted there but I refused. They were too late to reply. Pffffffffffft :P
xterm wrotePlease don't emphasize on this too much. I'm going to adjust my other post.
what?
no life? or aub-grad pre-requisite?

because both statements are true :p
oh well you want the new generations to dream.

well mostly some companies only hire juniors from select universities. You'll have a better chance at a senior position(ofc a masters from these select universities is a big plus)
proners wrotewhat?
no life? or aub-grad pre-requisite?
This
blueworlf wroteam NDU so am doomed :P
Actually Murex does not hire much of its dev from AUB. It gets them from USJ-ESIB.
And for general information, there is a reason why ESIB students get hired by Murex more than others:
You have an entry exam for Murex, before the first interview, and this exam is actually very well prepared by ESIB students, more than AUB and other university (that was in 2009). I remember when I went with a lot of friends (Eng. in AUB) to take the exam in ESIB, there was lots of student from many universities, and the only ones who really prepared the exam were ESIB's student.

Another information, if I'm not mistaken, the Edde guy, behind Murex, is a good friend of the Dean or some director in ESIB, so all that to say that you don't need to be AUB grad nor ESIB, you just need to do very well on that exam, and it is pretty hard :)
Actually the trick is to do one out of the 3 presented sections: Math, Finance and Computer Science ;)

Otherwise your chances of finishing the whole exam on time is next to 0%.

Good luck if this is the life you want for yourself. That's all I can say to you.
crazy wroteActually Murex does not hire much of its dev from AUB. It gets them from USJ-ESIB.
And for general information, there is a reason why ESIB students get hired by Murex more than others:
You have an entry exam for Murex, before the first interview, and this exam is actually very well prepared by ESIB students, more than AUB and other university (that was in 2009). I remember when I went with a lot of friends (Eng. in AUB) to take the exam in ESIB, there was lots of student from many universities, and the only ones who really prepared the exam were ESIB's student.

Another information, if I'm not mistaken, the Edde guy, behind Murex, is a good friend of the Dean or some director in ESIB, so all that to say that you don't need to be AUB grad nor ESIB, you just need to do very well on that exam, and it is pretty hard :)
I thought Murex only hired Dev in France or offshore and the business side is handled in Lebanon. (I know at least 2 people in Murex France - both Lebanese).

In any case, if you do have a full life then you do not work for a good company at least from my experience.
A good company is the one with good amount of projects (quality and quantity), so it does not leave much time for its employees to have a life.

As for interviews, I do not ask any technical questions, I rather discuss current technologies and platforms with the interviewee. Development/Platforms change everyday and asking specific questions in specific topics is meaningless unless the company specializes in such a platform (which is not very good in my opinion) although in lebanon we now have universities who only teach specific platform development and when you graduate that platform would be extinct leaving you with zero-experience.
ZeRaW wrotealthough in lebanon we now have universities who only teach specific platform development and when you graduate that platform would be extinct leaving you with zero-experience.
Quoted for fucking truth!
ZeRaW wrotealthough in lebanon we now have universities who only teach specific platform development and when you graduate that platform would be extinct leaving you with zero-experience.
This is very true. My university (Lebanese University) bought a bunch of new computers for the lab last year. They got them working this year but the IT guys installed Visual Studio 2005! Now, in my Development Platform course, we're taking .NET and using ADO.NET as the mean of communication with the database. After arguing with my doctor that this is NOT the way of doing things anymore, I finally convinced him today. Accordingly, now I have to prepare a 1.5 hours demonstration of how to use some of the latest .NET technologies including ASP.NET MVC, Entity Framework (I'm thinking Code First), LINQ and Extension Methods. My professor also mentioned that he's going to give us a two session introduction to Sharepoint 2010 (he is learning it right now) which is good news for me because I've never looked at it before.

The thing is, I feel like my professor took his phd and stopped learning anything new. He didn't know those new technologies actually exist. In fact, he only found about XML LAST YEAR!! But he accidently watched a video about Sharepoint 2010 and fell in love with it.
Kassem wrote
bluewolf wroteI was wondering what are the best ( well payed and leave u to have a life) companies in lebanon
I heard "Murex" pays really well...

P.S: graduating as a CS so 0 experience
If you're not an AUB graduate, they wouldn't even think of hiring you. This is one of the companies we complained about in another thread.
Kassem I've seen from your posts that you have some kind of deep prejudice/misconception about private universities, especially AUB.

I'd like to point out that the most represented university in Murex is USJ/ESIB in its number of employees, 70 in Beirut out of approx. 130 employees there, that's what their CEO Mr. Edde said while he visited my uni.


EDIT: Furthermore, you're saying that your professors got their PhDs and stopped; Think about that for a second, maybe it's the quality of education that these professors cant guarantee that's not getting you in these companies, and not your university's contacts or reputation.

As a side note, I think whichever course that teaches a technology pushed by a single company is BS (e.g. .NET, java, most mobile dev) , or at least is only useful in the short term, or by the universal paradigms it infers (Design patterns, MVC..) but someday they'll just go extinct, or your program won't be compile anymore, and that'll suck :)
mzaouar wroteKassem I've seen from your posts that you have some kind of deep prejudice/misconception about private universities, especially AUB.
Not exactly. I know for sure that AUB is a good university. USJ is a good university as well. But, I doubt they are any better than the Lebanese University, academically at least. Other private universities are... well, a waste of money? I could be wrong, but that's what I've seen so far.

My problem is not with universities, it is with companies that would hire someone or give better salaries to graduates from the more "popular" universities. It's like they feel an AUB or USJ graduate deserves $XXXX while an LU graduate should settle for $XXXX - $300 (+/-) or fuck off. I'm not just talking about software development companies, it's something common to other fields as well. I've seen many of my friends getting really frustrated because of this unfair treatment.

EDIT:
mzaouar wroteFurthermore, you're saying that your professors got their PhDs and stopped; Think about that for a second, maybe it's the quality of education that these professors cant guarantee that's not getting you in these companies, and not your university's contacts or reputation.
I'm not saying he's a bad professor, but I believe he should be more up to date with some of the new technologies. On the other hand, we have some REALLY GOOD professors at my faculty, others aren't really as good. I do understand that academic institutions usually lag behind the needs of the market, but when a technology dies, it should also die at the university and someone should push the new technologies into the curriculum!
Kassem wroteNot exactly. I know for sure that AUB is a good university. USJ is a good university as well. But, I doubt they are any better than the Lebanese University, academically at least. Other private universities are... well, a waste of money? I could be wrong, but that's what I've seen so far.
Can you back that claim with a proof of any sorts? I sincerely don't think so :/

I think what private universities are better at is giving students a background in fields other than their majors.
They think that you have to excel in marketing, business, entrepreneurship and management, even if you're majoring in electrical engineering for example, they're trying to make business leaders not technicians.
I'm not sure UL does that; in any ways, I might be wrong.
mzaouar wroteI think what private universities are better at is giving students a background in fields other than their majors.
They think that you have to excel in marketing, business, entrepreneurship and management, even if you're majoring in electrical engineering for example, they're trying to make business leaders not technicians.
I'm not sure UL does that; in any ways, I might be wrong.
My faculty does. I'm an MIS student. When I graduate I would have taken 11 courses related to my major ONLY! All the others are marketing, management, finance, accounting, math... etc. I've complained about that a lot, I do not consider it to be a good thing actually. Yes it's important to take Management and Marketing courses, but I do not need to take Economics 1 AND Economics 2, and Accounting 1 AND Accounting 2, and (the worst) Statistics 1 AND Statistics 2 (I hate the guts of this course). Rather than taking the X "2" course, I would rather take Development Platform 2 or Mobile Development (which is only available for Masters students). This is not just the case of UL, it's common among all universities. Even my professors complain about this, but it's out of their hands; it's actually the Ministry of Education that decides on that.
Something you guys should not forget, universities are not only about academic teaching, its about networking (relations!!!). And when you have IVY league, prestigious european universities graduates, PhDs etc. teaching in a single university, you'll see the credit price get higher, all for having the oppurtunity to get in contact with people in these respective university from your professors.

A lot of my friends in AUB got into really good american grad universities with the help of their professor's contacts, and so on. This is the primary difference between private universities and public, and that's not only in Lebanon, its everywhere :)