Weird Suggestion But We're Desperate Anyway...

Kassem · 2011-02-28T19:57:31+00:00

Hi guys, Ok I know how frustrated you are with the current internet situation just like I am. Today I asked my mum to go to Ogero and upgrade my internet co...

eurybaric

we're just hypothesizing here... no one is saying any of us is thinking of doing anything illegal :))

@Raficoo def man i totally agree dude you pwn!

.... anywho specifics should not be discussed here, I agree...

EDIT: I dont think spamming will be enough to get our message across.. I do think we need to <hint>get the message clearly across</hint> .

al_jamal

tell me what and where i should write it to, and ill send anemail too, even i download 2-5 gb a day, since im in germany :D

but i would like to help you

vengeance666

andy1123 wroteget that guy to launch a DDOS to ogero demanding better internet...

i don't think he will have any problem doing it , of course if lots of people puts their head to do that not just talks , i'm ready to do it myself too

eurybaric

How would the message through with a DDOS attack?? i mean it could be explained (by "them") as an act of vandalizing... I stick with the idea of "getting the message through" <hint2>in your face style</hint2>. lol.

dan961

Guys we should really do Something this time! Let's brainstorm until we find the ideal solution for this problem.

battikh

Do you want better internet? Solve the problem at its root, during next parliamentary elections vote like a normal literate human being instead of voting in a religious/tribal way.

Devaz

I'd say ..... well , We can't nag , we 've already tried that , we can't mess up the internet or the ISPs cause then we won't have internet then , so we'd be kicking our own asses . So i'd say 1 of 2 solutions :
1-The "Good" Way would be to get some media attention since people don't really know what's going on when it comes to internet unless the obvious fact that it sucks .
2-the "Bad" Make a Fix , A Hack or Anything that will target ISPs and somehow mess up their Quota System , ( as in it won't work properly either by giving insane amounts or not registering anything at all )

Ofc this is all Hypothetical , and it would be very unfair to assume that anything bad that happens will be caused or initiated through LebGeeks , Cause After all we all love these forums ( well i know i do ) and we don't want to see anything bad happening to it .

battikh

Do you people even realize that the problem is not due to ISPs?
International bandwidth is currently very limited and satellite links are, by law, illegal. What can an ISP do in this case?
And about the price, are you familiar with the supply and demand concept? What would happen if they lower the price? More demand. More customers = more customers sharing the same amount of total bandwidth = even shittier internet.

You can do whatever you want to target ISPs, at the end of the day, there is nothing they can do. They don't have hidden bandwidth that they're keeping away from customers.
You want better internet, push the GOVERNMENT to either legalize satellite links or move their ass to complete the IMEWE link and not overprice it.

Blaming the 1st person that comes to your mind is not constructive, in this case, ISPs can't do much, the main problem is no from their side.

forgotten

so do you assume its better to stay in status quo to not let them kill the forum that means you think of them as a threat to your freedom ever thought about that ?

Look as I see it the root of the problem is that the state lacks money to buy more usage the problem here is that they could make money by selling good but lets say mediocre expensive accounts but no their solution is :keep the people stupid lets controll their minds so that they do not want more as for the mass of people that sadly works ...if you make someone believe this crap and make him believe that he is right with such statements as " we do not need so much usage" you win in lebanon because we all know how older generations react if you try to correct them they become mad and begin to shout stuff like do not try to lecture me I`m older bla bla bla....So we need to kill this brain washing circle to establish a consciousness about todays technological development and its pricing so that the people will want it .The best case scenario would be that some leaders kids would want faster connections . So lets see wahat can we do ? 1. Lets write tons of SERIOUS EMAILS to them from different accounts if that that doesn`t work try spamming. 2 Lets make a parcel ready with flyers from good isps and send it to some Important people.
3.give out informative flyers. make blogs with Informative content . call a tv station and ask them for a serious report not a fucked up censored piece of shit which only does the opposite from what we want.maybe somebody here is related to someone who could accomplish this. If all that doesn`t work protest for 5 days by occupiing ogeros headquaters. or something like this.(note I`m not encouraging someone to do the latter)

monkey-d-luffy

battikh wroteDo you people even realize that the problem is not due to ISPs?
International bandwidth is currently very limited and satellite links are, by law, illegal. What can an ISP do in this case?
And about the price, are you familiar with the supply and demand concept? What would happen if they lower the price? More demand. More customers = more customers sharing the same amount of total bandwidth = even shittier internet.

You can do whatever you want to target ISPs, at the end of the day, there is nothing they can do. They don't have hidden bandwidth that they're keeping away from customers.
You want better internet, push the GOVERNMENT to either legalize satellite links or move their ass to complete the IMEWE link and not overprice it.

Blaming the 1st person that comes to your mind is not constructive, in this case, ISPs can't do much, the main problem is no from their side.

Lets launch a DDOS attack on the government telecom site with a banner that say: "Yes we are stealing your money and sucking the fun out of internet"... *evil look*
Or we should simply get the media attention.... that's the BEST way

Ayman

Lets launch a DDOS attack on the government telecom site with a banner that say: "Yes we are stealing your money and sucking the fun out of internet"... *evil look*
Or we should simply get the media attention.... that's the BEST way

These are childish acts, it would turn the people asking for better internet to cyber criminals. Plus to my knowledge, DDOS isn't about putting banners on sites.

m0ei

Lets launch a DDOS attack on the government telecom site with a banner that say: "Yes we are stealing your money and sucking the fun out of internet"... *evil look*

I think you should go and do some reading about DDOS.
Rather than googling, here's a direct link for you http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denial-of-service_attack

battikh

forgotten wroteLook as I see it the root of the problem is that the state lacks money to buy more usage the problem here is that they could make money by selling good but lets say mediocre expensive accounts but no their solution is :keep the people stupid lets controll their minds so that they do not want more as for the mass of people that sadly works ...

You're starting with wrong assumptions.
The government already paid its part for access to the IMEWE submarine cable, I think we shipped in for 30 Gbps.
To be able to distribute such an amount of bandwidth across the country, our current infrastructure, which is mainly based on microwave links, is useless. You can't distribute 30 Gbps using few mbps links, obviously. Fiber is being pulled across the country for this purpouse.
The problem is that things are going VERY slowly due to political problems, corruption, ... as this involves multiple ministries (telecom, public works, finance, ...), so one minister will block things nkeyeh in the other minister, ... and our ministers kind of have other priorities.

So again, ISPs have very little to do with this.
If you want better internet and better services in general, vote responsibly.
And if we have to point fingers at someone to blame, instead of blindly pointing fingers at ISPs, maybe we should point fingers at Lebanese people in general, they're the one who brought this politicians, assume the consequences.

monkey-d-luffy

m0ei wrote
Lets launch a DDOS attack on the government telecom site with a banner that say: "Yes we are stealing your money and sucking the fun out of internet"... *evil look*
I think you should go and do some reading about DDOS.
Rather than googling, here's a direct link for you http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denial-of-service_attack

I know what DDOS is it's just that I wrote "with" instead of "or"
my mistake sorry guys :S

forgotten

We don`t need fiber cables the dsl adsl1 to dsl 6000 is available for copper cables which we MUST have or else forget about phone calls what we need is a small piece of fiberoptic cables to connect it to the local cables and yes this works my entire town had dsl 6000 and not one inch of fiberoptics. Ok I stared it with the wrong thoughts but goddamn what a mess If you push it on the elections then this will never happen the people are much to afraid of different parties because they think it could harm them. I give you an example you all for sure have heard of bavaria thats the part of germany where all that beer comes from anyways they are so retarded there that they vote one and the same party for 60!Years now it doesn`t even matter what this party does they vote like donkeys who know nothing else. And here its even worse so this is impossible.

We still need to get the idea of a modern lebanon with faster internet and a good economical siituation in their heads tv is best because somehow people believe everything that the guy in tv says

monkey-d-luffy

forgotten wrotetv is best because somehow people believe everything that the guy in tv says

I second you
Someone should contact MTV to draw their attention on this problem

Plus if there's reallygoing to be 3G in summer this means that lebanon's overall connection has been... somewhat... improved
Don't you think?

al_jamal

i agree with the melon and forgotten

and @ monkey:

do you really think that will happen, its already a month again since they "try" to build a new government...

monkey-d-luffy

**** government (:
Anyway we should also (if we do it) contact ALL the TV's to get maximum attention on the problem.

The-MMMs

battikh wroteAnd about the price, are you familiar with the supply and demand concept? What would happen if they lower the price? More demand. More customers = more customers sharing the same amount of total bandwidth = even

Allah Ma3o el Micro Economics ;) - it's nice to see a structured educated answer :)

like to add that as price increases though, the Quantity Demand will ALSO decrease - people will stop demanding anything since poor income, coupled with poor expectations will lead me to jsut not buying anything after all in the end i.e. ok im paying 40$ for 512, then 70$ for 1 mb/s - and i know this will never change to be cheaper so why upgrade?

In such a case, in CIVILIZED countries we have a little something called substitutes ... all substitutes here are as worse as the ISP in question i.e. Ogero - so back to square one.

battikh wroteYou can do whatever you want to target ISPs, at the end of the day, there is nothing they can do. They don't have hidden bandwidth that they're keeping away from customers

Although this is true, they do have the means to set everything up - everything is avaiable they just have to connect everything - i'm sure they've already made crap loads from heavy bandwidth users already.

battikh wroteBlaming the 1st person that comes to your mind is not constructive, in this case, ISPs can't do much, the main problem is no from their side

I agree here totally. And all this nonsense DDoS and what not - seriously, if you do that then imagine the problems we will have back in return

Please someone correct me if im worng here (im still quite unclear how this works) but when it comes to ISP's IN LEBANON does it work in some what of a Legal Monopoly ? That being Ogero hence the GVT owns it all and in respect controls all the rest ? - this is the problem here, if you want it to change then we'd somehow have to "overthrow" the first established and basiaclly ONLY "respectable" telecommunication company in Lebanon - hmmmmmmmmmm, NO.

Im definately not voting this year / or whenever it is again - heik heik mittil illita aslan.

Kassem

The-MMMs wrotethis is the problem here, if you want it to change then we'd somehow have to "overthrow" the first established and basiaclly ONLY "respectable" telecommunication company in Lebanon - hmmmmmmmmmm, NO.

Ogero and "respectable" do not fit in the same sentence.

What battikh is talking about applies to a perfect competition market. What we have in Lebanon is a monopoly, hence the laws of supply and demand do not fit in... at least not perfectly. We do have enough international bandwidth now (even before the launch of the IMEWE cable), and DSL technology is capable of providing up to 4Mbps speeds, so what's holding them back from providing this speed at acceptable prices?

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