Body Language

g-087

I'm not actually a real computer geek anymore. hacking got me in a lot of serious troubles. that's why I more interested in 'mind hacking' and in social engineering. It's so interesting how people react against certain gestures. studies have reveled that the human body is programmed in a certain way. like it or not. this is why i love body language. I believe that every protocol can be hacked but hacking mind can never get you in trouble because it's untraceable and it's 100% advantageous!
I always use this knowledge in my real life.
it's great to read other's thoughts by their gesture!
They can never lie to you and you can always get what you want because you know when and how to ask for it!
I hope i'll find some people interested in this subject too and don't be shy.
Don't hack computers, hack minds.

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xterm

Very interesting g-087, how about we start a discussion tackling the subject from the simplest perspective?

g-087

OK I'll start with something very interesting
do you remember last time when you met a nice girl a you were wondering whether she likes you or not?
do you remember last time when you lied to your mom and you told her you did well in the exam?
do you remember last time when you lied to your girlfriend and you told her you have never cheated on her?
do you remember last time when you met a annoying friend how you were standing?

i invite you to answer those questions with DETAILS!!!
focus on your body movement, your arms and your gaze
and focus on your gaze will remembering ;)
so interesting!!!

during my studies I've read a lot of books about social activities but you can no where using them.
to listen to a radio channel you need to tune to the perfect frequency.
and what could be better than your body's frequency??

don't be shy
the greatness of this subject is that you can be you're own laboratory and you can test you're results for free and discretely

remember that a good hacker will always get away

samer

g-087, it's quite interesting. However, you still didn't provide much information about the topic. Don't be shy, share the wealth :)

g-087

The Arms

- By the side and away from the body
--> confident, strong

- Closed, crossed
--> uninviting
--> protective

More: http://www.bodylanguagesignals.com/ArmsLegs.html

I hope this will bring up this conversion
do you agree or not
did i miss something important?
how you think you can use these tiny informations?
u need to create a strategy in your head first that you think it works for you the best
consider you have a business meeting and you are a sales man how can you give you're best?
body language is a lot bigger but let us start with these

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xterm

Let's reduce this shall we?

- Arms
[Side & Away from body] -> [confident | strong]
[Closed | crossed] -> [uninviting | protective]
[Touching Someone's Arm] -> [Sympathy | Subtle invitation to [Trust | Intimacy]

You can subtly influence people and seduce men or women using this

- Legs
[Swagger (men) | Discreet swishing hip walk (women)] -> [Seductive | Subtle flirting]
[Crossed over [Knee | Ankle]] -> [Relaxed & Not completely at ease]
[Ankle crossing over knee (men)] -> confidence, arrogance or assertiveness
[Leg twine (women)] -> [Physical attraction]
[Uncrossed | Slightly open] -> [Inviting & Open to communication]
[Touching Thigh] -> [Sign of attraction (unconsciously)]

Of course this does not apply if the person is walking or dancing

- Hands
[In front of [Groin | Chest] -> [Protective | Defensive | Not at ease]

- Feet
[Jiggling | Tapping] -> [Nervous | Bored]
[Towards you] -> [Interested]
[Towards door] -> [Lack of interest | Want to leave]

In a nutshell, our feet point in the direction our mind wants to go. If you are trying to influence someone, or to seduce a man or a woman, consciously point your feet towards that person.

samer

do you agree or not
did i miss something important?
how you think you can use these tiny informations?

Body language is to be interpreted in clusters, you can't take one information out and start matching it with a meaning. There is no one-to-one relationship here.

Arms
- Closed, crossed
--> uninviting
--> protective

Here's a counterexample: what if the person is simply cold?

BashLogic

when serious conversations are in question, i insist on having a face to face meeting to read peoples body language and what intimidates them.

kareem_nasser

Interesting indeed but you can put rules for a human's behavior some are simple others are behind obstacles. It will need a lot of training and observation not to mention the observer to have knowledge in subjects related to human behavior.

The human mind is an emitter and receiver of waves so any stimulation will calm it or burst it. So if someone is hiding something you can stimulate his brain with a question or an answer.

This field is seriously taken by the FBI and the US government, they have behavioral scientists, watch NCIS and it spin-offs which are a bunch and you'll know what i mean.

J4D

kareem_nasser wroteThe human mind is an emitter and receiver of waves so any stimulation will calm it or burst it.

Yeah, well my brain operates on a frequency of 2.7Ghz. I find myself a bit ticklish when induced by people with brains operating in the MHz range (generally outdated models).

g-087

you're right Samer

Here's a counterexample: what if the person is simply cold

it's a common mistake beginners usually make it.
everything must be related. one gesture does not give a clear idea on what is going on with the person.
take for example a girl sitting on a bench and wearing a mini skirt. she'll sit and her leg crossed. you should not interpret this gesture that she has a negative attitude

Of course Bashlogic you need a face to face meeting to read people's body language.
and believe me the eyes can reveal it all.
how are you planning to do it if it's not the case??
NB: usually liars maintain eye contact and that 'look at me at me and tell me how much you love me' 90% won't work :D

professionals can fake body language for about 5 minutes without any detection (using inflared sensors etc)
till now i can fake body language for about 20 min in a face to face meeting (no sensors allowed :P)

This field is seriously taken by the FBI

you're right kareem and if you have ever seen a real investigation on television you will notice that the criminal is seated on a non-arm chair and a table in front of him with light on his body in a dark room

i'll tell you why. it's not out of nothing they do it this way
the light on your body will let you feel threatened and the dark around you will aggravate this fear.
the non-arm chair will force you to put your hand on the table and usually it's a high table so you can't take the sleepy position (chin or cheek sitting on your hand) so you are forced to put your hand on the table
and this is a readiness gesture you can notice it when someone totally agree with you and ready to move to the next step but here you are forced to take it
and that's when the criminal is ready to confess
it's like magic

it's been about 3 years that i study human behavior and every day you will learn something new.
you can get a lot of information on the INTERNET like any other programming language
but all you need to do is create the perfect software to get what you want and seems a lot of you have a clue about INTERNET security and hacking it wont be so difficult for you

so why don't we start a body language development
if someone has been in a difficult situation and didn't succeeded in his persuasion (specially with girls) and he don't know why he can write it down and every one can tell his opinion even if he is not an expert

J4D

g-087 wrotetake for example a girl sitting on a bench and wearing a mini skirt. she'll sit and her leg crossed. you should not interpret this gesture that she has a negative attitude

The question is, can i use Body language to access her "database" ?

g-087

hahahaha good question!!!
i'll give you a tip memorize it
when you need to access her 'database' without getting busted get her pupil dilated
there are several ways to do it
usually women get their pupil expended at the maximum when the see babies or pregnant mothers (even in pictures) the other way i prefer is to take her to a low light pub (be careful not to have loud music because you can't talk)
when the pupil is expended this means that she's having fun and have a positive attitude
and enjoy your evening it's magic man

NB: researches had revealed that the woman's pupil will expend a lot more than the man's pupil when watching porn. so that's not true that's women don't enjoy porn. maybe they are faking it so they don't look so horny

arithma

As usual, I'll be the devil's advocate and point out the negatives.
I think the effort here is too mountainous and the reward dismal. What possibly can people have in their minds that is so interesting anyway. If it's that interesting, they'll spit it out anyway.
As for using this as a pick up technique, if you really need these techniques to persuade a girl, then perhaps you should consider that a problem lies within you that is much greater of need for attention than studying body language.
People are too busy working their BB's, iPhones, Androids and you name it to give you enough body talk either way. Perhaps you should go back to conventional hacking.
If you were selling this as a teaching course, I would have probably dismissed it as vaporskill-coaching. Do you have any quantifiable advantage for using this technique?

g-087

learn and try it that's all what i can really tell you
it's not about persuading a girl but it's about expending your recourses
during an investigation you can torture the criminal to confess or you can treat him like it's mentioned above and guess what torture is not used anymore.
body language is a course to study for sales man photographers...
if you can get a Marilyn Monroe picture it's full of seducing gestures and recently there is a commercial on billboards for a company that's sell cable channels: a seducing woman smiling in a strange way. it stopped me for about 5 min analyzing it you can't imagine how many gestures you can find in it but people just focus on it and they simply don't know why you can ask them if you want and believe me a lot of people are subscribing even if they had cable they just go for that company

BashLogic

body language can not be learned of books, it requires lots of unbiased open mindedness, contact experience and awareness. books can point out the basics but basics can be controlled up to a certain point..

anyhow, it takes lot to interpret the correct message because in different cultures and situations, gestures and impressions can be misinterpreted. the western culture also has its effect thru media from where people learn and adapt gestures, but they never master them to the likes of those who use those gestures natively, there is always a braking point where the messup, intermix and then the message can be badly misinterpreted.

bruce lee became a legend with body language where he did not require a dialog to express himself. looked up and be surprised by his impressionism thru body language.

Bassem

Sounds to me like George is very interested in how to hack girls' minds. ;) A noble cause! Share the mysteries with us.

Seriously though, interesting stuff.
I wonder how these signs change from one culture to the next. Would this apply to an African bushman, or a Peruvian village woman?

Gomez012

I am actually very interested in body language, since I find it fascinating how you can know a lot about people off their gestures.
Do you have any other tips?

Ayman

@g-087, I think you should get back to computer hacking at least as a white hacker or something. It is much more beneficial to you than this I guess. Just my 2 cents.

g-087

@Bassem, what I've mentioned about the pupil it's universal you can use it anywhere.
here's another tip
when dealing with different cultures you need to be careful to take into consideration the private area for everyone. when you're dealing with a village girl you must seat farther then when dealing with a town girl.
because in a village the density of people is less than in a town so a person have a bigger personal space and usually if you're not so close to her she can be offended if you seat near her. so it's not a good idea to take a 'fresh' village girl to a stuffed night club even if she find it an interesting experience because hacking will be so hard. she will have her 'firewall' on :D