A few more months? its in late 2011, thats another year....Flakk wrote2011 guys 2011 :P yala a few more month and we will be disappointed again...
Broadband in Lebanon - Latest Updates
120 gb limit? you guys are dreaming!
I have said this before but i really have a good feeling about this i don't know why(or maybe not).
who cares if its in 2011??? thats like a year before the end of the world... let us taste the beauty of fast internet access atleast 2 years before the end :D
funny... :)MegaCool wrotewho cares if its in 2011??? thats like a year before the end of the world... let us taste the beauty of fast internet access atleast 2 years before the end :D
The updates will come soon, I have a feeling it will. I read in Le commerce, that Charbel Nahas said that the quota for the 2mbps plan (currently 256kbps) will be 120 gigs.
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The speed might go up; However, I am very skeptic about the limit. You all know that the ministry of communication is a cash cow for the governement (the minister himeself admitted on "kalam el nass" a couple of weeks ago. If i have a gold mine that makes about 16 billion dollar a year profit, why should i get rid of it. We all pay top dollars for those extra gigs, i believe the limit will stay the same, if not worse, the price of the extra gigs might come down a dollar or two.
I Hope that i am wrong, anything is possible in Lebanon.
I Hope that i am wrong, anything is possible in Lebanon.
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Yeah you have a point, but even now the government or say Ogero pays 0.15$ for each 1GB we spend.
And they charge very high prices for 4GB or 8GB of limits.
And they charge very high prices for 4GB or 8GB of limits.
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Al Balad :( i have a bad experience working with them. But ihope they are right. :)
Sometimes when i read forums like that i wonder why people don't try to research a bit more and be realistic, quoting some of the posts here, users are waiting for some non logical quotas, me as a person who resided in Montreal for 3 years, and being a heavy user on the internet, got the biggest quota in the region which is a connection of 20mbps with a limit of 100gb (a 30gb can be added for an extra 30$) that connection cost 130$, and believe me, those 130$ can fly within a month, because everything is "relative" a 7mb connection has a 40gb limit a 2mb connection 10gb limit (similar to Lebanon +2gb) and so on and so forth. So trust me a connection of 4mb with a 20gb limit is not logical, not legal, because worldwide standards limit the connections for piracy reduction and similar directions. Now you tell me: we are in Lebanon we do whatever we want, that's your choice but that will just push us further in that retarded hole and we will stick to our fancy 1mb connection. know that a regular user doesn't have use of more than 1mb which is more than sufficient for media streaming, browsing, and flash/small games and a 5mb connection is more than enough for a single user heavy gamer, a faster connection will only be explained with several users on the same connection (i was living with roommates). And for a conclusion, no quota offered a free night traffic period. So to wrap it all up, i came back to Lebanon in January, and i can say, as much as the switch from a 20mbps to 512(wise bronze) was weird, i don't find it limitating me except for gaming. if so get a real ip for +20$ on your dsl quota and you're up to 80-120ms ping, not so good for shooters but a smooth and nice connection never the less.
I hope that my post made things clear, all the best for all
Regards
Joe Hannouch
Game Developer
Ubisoft Entertainment-Montreal
I hope that my post made things clear, all the best for all
Regards
Joe Hannouch
Game Developer
Ubisoft Entertainment-Montreal
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Thank you Joe.
The unreliability, high latency and low bandwidth of the connection here still makes the experience frustrating. If I'm paying $200, I would at least like it to be fun.
I was in Montreal in 2004 and I've seen how fast pages load, and they still don't load so fast in Lebanon, now, in 2010.
As for the quota, you have a point. But 100gb is about 10 times what you can get here for the equivalent of $130 CAN.
BTW I'm on DSL, but WISE is a responsive connection, in my experience, although with a low quota for the price.
The unreliability, high latency and low bandwidth of the connection here still makes the experience frustrating. If I'm paying $200, I would at least like it to be fun.
I was in Montreal in 2004 and I've seen how fast pages load, and they still don't load so fast in Lebanon, now, in 2010.
As for the quota, you have a point. But 100gb is about 10 times what you can get here for the equivalent of $130 CAN.
BTW I'm on DSL, but WISE is a responsive connection, in my experience, although with a low quota for the price.
I apply "Relativety" on my everyday life.because everything is "relative"
OMG you're a developer.. do you have twitter or something.(sorry for the off-topic)
I always think about what is the 4megabits/sec going to do to the leabnese ppl well they are not gamers so the latency isnt a concern + they use lots and lots of illegal stuff + they use YT but we got used to the waiting and if you want a better connection for YouTube just get a 512k plan or 1megabit/sec. Knowing the lebanese ppl they will try tricks to overcome restriction so what we have is what we deserve.
The only use for good internet and high bandwidth in Lebanon is for business, banks, firms, etc.
@ kareem_nasser: what I deserve is a 4Mb/s connection with a 15-20 GB download quota. That would be more than enough for me. I am saying what I deserve is because I refuse to get a crappy internet connection just because other Lebanese are abusing it. The slow internet connection and the high costs are hindering my informal education of web development and programming.
I do agree that very fast internet is only required by media, banks and other firms but that doesn't mean we should be given slow internet with very little quota as regular users. I'm paying 50$ for 512K with 4GB quota limit while in Australia for example you can get 4Mb with 30GB quota limit for the same price. Enough said :)
I do agree that very fast internet is only required by media, banks and other firms but that doesn't mean we should be given slow internet with very little quota as regular users. I'm paying 50$ for 512K with 4GB quota limit while in Australia for example you can get 4Mb with 30GB quota limit for the same price. Enough said :)
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speaking of quotas, it's not that cheap in Canada (100$ was in CAD), phones are not cheap (you have to pay 75CAD to get a reasonable quota) but again the salaries are higher so it's relative.
as for regular usage, youtube surfing and other clings and clangs, a 512 connection is more than enough (if it's not shared and the server is full) for streaming and such. but of course it's not the standard, IMHO 4mb is the worldwide standard. not too much, not too little, such as the 24inch monitor is the international standard size. ie: in 10 years you'll still have 24 inch cause it's optimal, too big will be too big for general purpuses, and too small will limit usability (talking about 10 years from now in monitor year and 10 years are too much in internet time) but 4mb/7mb should be the standard for the near future (they already are in Canada), knowing that HTML 5 is on it's way, the web will be even faster and you wont be needing the juice of a higher quota. flash movies are gona die and HTML movies are gona replace it (youtube will convert all its database to HTML movies by 2012. so all what i'm saying is that things are gona get better, just hold on and enjoy what you have now.
@kareem_nasser yes I'm a developer who recently left Ubisoft Montreal and settled in Lebanon as a Web developer, if you're interested reading forums visit www.gamedev.net and www.gamasutra.com. following me on twitter currently will flood you with Web development topics if that excites you let me know
Cheers
as for regular usage, youtube surfing and other clings and clangs, a 512 connection is more than enough (if it's not shared and the server is full) for streaming and such. but of course it's not the standard, IMHO 4mb is the worldwide standard. not too much, not too little, such as the 24inch monitor is the international standard size. ie: in 10 years you'll still have 24 inch cause it's optimal, too big will be too big for general purpuses, and too small will limit usability (talking about 10 years from now in monitor year and 10 years are too much in internet time) but 4mb/7mb should be the standard for the near future (they already are in Canada), knowing that HTML 5 is on it's way, the web will be even faster and you wont be needing the juice of a higher quota. flash movies are gona die and HTML movies are gona replace it (youtube will convert all its database to HTML movies by 2012. so all what i'm saying is that things are gona get better, just hold on and enjoy what you have now.
@kareem_nasser yes I'm a developer who recently left Ubisoft Montreal and settled in Lebanon as a Web developer, if you're interested reading forums visit www.gamedev.net and www.gamasutra.com. following me on twitter currently will flood you with Web development topics if that excites you let me know
Cheers
Dear Joe,_joe_ wroteyes I'm a developer who recently left Ubisoft Montreal and settled in Lebanon as a Web developer.
Cheers
I simply salute you for what you have done ! I am living in Canada now too and planning to go back home once I am done my education.
Enjoy your stay here.
@joe: Why left Ubisoft? Game Dev -> Web.. I think I want it the other way around
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@Joe, hello, welcome back to Lebanon and it is really a pleasure to have you here with us, just out of curiosity, my question is same as Arithma, why did you choose to leave game development and a company such aw Ubisoft and come back to Lebanon? Anyways, I would like to wish you the best of luck in the path you have chosen, have a good day and see you around :)
Sure guys, guess Kareem proposed a thread concerning Web development and my experience in Canada, guess i'll wrap it all up there, stay posted