Internet Next War

Abbabbj

Hello all
In july war 2006 i was about forteen and a half year old so i dont remember clearly the internet situation during the war all what i remember is that there was about 5 days of internet cutdown and the rest was connection of superlow speed (3KB max)
But the isrealis didnt use to destroy any telecom infra structure at that time
I am sure the next war isreal will cut the whole country communication structure since there was news which explains how the resistance used the internet last war
i think in next war all Og\ro services will stop so only satalite and illigale lines will have internet i have even heard people talking about isreal cutting our marine fiber lines so what will you use as backup plan for next war
And please dont tell me that internet during war is not important its important for all people even those participating in it by using media war
Actually to show you how this media war is important isreal had payed go\gle millions and maybe billions to remove a lot of massacre pictures from lebanon and gazza just google it as if you are a foriegner (dont write details just write titles) and see what will you get
Results 1% truth only
So i think in the next war it is even our suty to show the whole world what is really happening

Joe

Interesting post. Internet is important when it comes to communication. Actually its political importance is shown in countries like Iran or China, were goverments are trying to limit it. Even during the 2006 war, Internet played a big part (this is how yamli was born after all!). And yeah, our situation is vulnerable; but is there something we can do?

PS I doubt that Google made a deal with Israel. I'm not denying Israel's huge involvment in the world media, and generally modifying the truth, but Google cannot afford to take sides. They know, the second they accept such a deal, their whole organization is in danger. My 2c.

Abbabbj

actually internet can also be used for distributing wrong info and causing rebels or to drop some poloticians out as you did mention in case of china /Arab contries/Usa ..................iran but all the contries worldwide(except lebanon of course lol) uses internet as a powerfull war tool
all sides (NATO /RUSSIA/Arabs /UN /...) use it as a tool and i am not saying that google and isreal sighned a contract but i am sure the you have heard with (anti terrorist media groups) powered by multi billioner isreali supporting people and governments worldwide i am sure and completly sure that there is a sort of media blackout done on the internet and mainly on google
and to have a proof just search images on google.com(not .lb) for isreali terrorism gaza lebanon you may get some pictures of sabra and shatila in the first few pages before getting the real pictures after many pages IF YOU GOT THEM and to tell me that there are no pictures or videos documenting this terror i will tell you that we have become mentaly sick becuase we find it normal to see children burened and cutted into many pieces by isreali rockets every month (take a look at global media BB>C CN>N France>24 all these media and see if they really show the real picture of what is going around)

what we can actually do as a pure networking forum and not politician is posting our ideas of secoundary stable inernet source next war

kareem_nasser

Same old drill from isreal even though Lebanon is listed on the US terrorist countries.

nuclearcat

Abbabbj wroteHello all
But the isrealis didnt use to destroy any telecom infra structure at that time

They did. Tripoli, for example, was almost cut totally from media and telecommunication. All _legal_ links (and listen officially with locations) was bombed, and only who provided communications (and news for civilians) for Tripoli - so called "illegal" ISP's.

All "FCC certified" microwave/wireless links was down, i guess by jamming and using unofficial tricks that can bring down wireless communications (there is few technologies that supposed to be used as functions to avoid interference, but they can be easily exploited by US/Israeli militaries to bring down communications. And not only that.

I was writing about all that on telecom forums (at 2006 war i was in Leb, didn't left it and continued to support internet, had even extreme cases of going on motorcycle at night to fix failed hardware) and wrote article for russian telecom magazine, about all issues i face.

i think in next war all Og\ro services will stop so only satalite and illigale lines will have internet i have even heard people talking about isreal cutting our marine fiber lines so what will you use as backup plan for next war

Ogero doing their best to stop all satellite and illegal lines. At same time they don't give anything as replacement, they don't upgrade bandwidth for ISP's to decent level and they didn't make their fiber optic cables redundant. In fact now country extremely vulnerable and can be cut easily cut down from communications with world for long term, even without war. Just 1 month of telephone/internet outage and Lebanon will be on same level of economics as Zimbabwe, most of businesses dealing with export/import will be bankrupts.
Proof? Easy. Ogero gone many times down for hours, just because they have a lot of single points of failure this days.

So it is opening a question, why Ogero are weakening country infrastructure.

rolf

There was a shortage in most of asia a year or so back because a ship had severed several submarine cable near egypt.

Abbabbj

Thanks nuclear cat for replying and i congratulate you for your work during the war (i didnt know that isreal bombed any telecom structure thanx for the news)
i know that isreal have very powerful RF jammers in thier UAVs even they have the capability to broadcast on any wave they like but here is my solution for telecom if our infrastructure got bombed next war
We may use the direct uplink used by tv channels for upload and the download would be held by the illigal networks (since illigal networks have only a problem with thier uplink and the uplink of tv broudcasting is directed and not effected by the jammers)
i think we have a lot of these satalite uplinks enough to provide the lebanese with minimum upload requirments

nuclearcat

Satellite uplinks highly illegal in Lebanon, and anyone who run them can face serious issues.
Additionally they are not cost-effective this days.

euryale

at 2006 war i was in Leb, didn't left it and continued to support internet, had even extreme cases of going on motorcycle at night to fix failed hardware

nice man for some reason that reminded me of terminator the kid on the motorcycle .. we need more freedom fighters like urself.
can someone inform me more about the israelis and their jamming devices? what are they and what type of wireless can they bring down and how much range do they have

battikh

what war with israel? when is it happening? any schedule?

Georges

battikh wrotewhat war with israel? when is it happening? any schedule?

Look at them... they are quiet sure that a war will happen. I guess, that with this balance of powers in the region... a war will not happen, at least not in the near future.

J4D

besides the fact that i don't want to break loose some facts on the interwebs , i can assure Lebanon's win in any war . besides , the network of the resistance can never be broken simply because no one knows were it branches ( other than that each Point of access is fed from many different locations , so cutting some lines on the network will not bring it down . these israelis (with a small "i" ! ) are playing with one of the most powerful organizations ever to exist !

battikh

Yorgi wrote
battikh wrotewhat war with israel? when is it happening? any schedule?
Look at them... they are quiet sure that a war will happen. I guess, that with this balance of powers in the region... a war will not happen, at least not in the near future.

thank you.

euryale

these israelis (with a small "i" ! ) are playing with one of the most powerful organizations ever to exist !

ahmadinajadberro xD did u get my pm? about the war battikh.. it's more of a cold war.. we read a lot nowadays about sactions on iran and syria threatning to retaliate if anyone attacks lebanon etc. i'm not pro war but a war is inevitable soon if the zionists don't change their ways, last semester a bitch came from the uk to the university talking about how the israelis are peacful and the arabs are the ones breaching the peace agreements i wanted to spit on her face..

Aj_BlaZ

lets say lebanon is like a tall tree surrounded by issues, internet issue is one of them located in the middle if we want to fix the internet problem we need to begin from the start till then "another issues will come its like a defense wall: :(

J4D

euryale wrote
these israelis (with a small "i" ! ) are playing with one of the most powerful organizations ever to exist !
ahmadinajadberro xD

but i don't have uranium :(

battikh

euryale wrote
these israelis (with a small "i" ! ) are playing with one of the most powerful organizations ever to exist !
ahmadinajadberro xD did u get my pm? about the war battikh.. it's more of a cold war.. we read a lot nowadays about sactions on iran and syria threatning to retaliate if anyone attacks lebanon etc. i'm not pro war but a war is inevitable soon if the zionists don't change their ways, last semester a bitch came from the uk to the university talking about how the israelis are peacful and the arabs are the ones breaching the peace agreements i wanted to spit on her face..

you said it yourself, it's a cold war, so why is war inevitable?
if it HAD to blow up some day, then russia and usa would have went to war during the cold war.
as long as each side has too much to lose and not enough to win, there wont be war. things have changed, if israel wants to attack, they will suffer too. it's not anymore like before, they strike, and leave as if nothing happened. the statu quo has changed...

how much does israel has to win in a war? why would they get themselves in this crap if they have nothing to win? hezballah is not bothering them much these days (not to say at all). so why would they get themselves in this? what do they have to win? while they have A LOT to lose.
israelis said themselves that hezballah has the capacity to hit tel aviv, has acquired ground to air missiles, ... so why would they get themselves into this if there's nothing much to win?
and that's assuming that the war will stiop at lebanon, without having to take care of plausible other fronts with hamas, syria and iran.

J4D

battikh wrote
euryale wrote
these israelis (with a small "i" ! ) are playing with one of the most powerful organizations ever to exist !
ahmadinajadberro xD did u get my pm? about the war battikh.. it's more of a cold war.. we read a lot nowadays about sactions on iran and syria threatning to retaliate if anyone attacks lebanon etc. i'm not pro war but a war is inevitable soon if the zionists don't change their ways, last semester a bitch came from the uk to the university talking about how the israelis are peacful and the arabs are the ones breaching the peace agreements i wanted to spit on her face..
you said it yourself, it's a cold war, so why is war inevitable?
if it HAD to blow up some day, then russia and usa would have went to war during the cold war.
as long as each side has too much to lose and not enough to win, there wont be war. things have changed, if israel wants to attack, they will suffer too. it's not anymore like before, they strike, and leave as if nothing happened. the statu quo has changed...

how much does israel has to win in a war? why would they get themselves in this crap if they have nothing to win? hezballah is not bothering them much these days (not to say at all). so why would they get themselves in this? what do they have to win? while they have A LOT to lose.
israelis said themselves that hezballah has the capacity to hit tel aviv, has acquired ground to air missiles, ... so why would they get themselves into this if there's nothing much to win?
and that's assuming that the war will stiop at lebanon, without having to take care of plausible other fronts with hamas, syria and iran.

well said ! :)

euryale

ok maybe i exaggerated >.<

WizaRd

Offtopic, but go and watch this amazing movie Dr Strangelove: How I learnt to stop worrying and love the bomb

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