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nuc, you're talking about the subject in a very superficial way, which explains your opinion...
1- there is a huge difference between delinquency in france and poor people in india, china, africa, ...
2- for france's case, if many arabs/africans/... are labeled as violent, its not because they're arabs, or because they're black or because any of these superficial baseless ideas. Most of these people are people who came to france because they were poor, they came to work and get a better life. But when you're poor you can't afford a house in Neuilly or Passy, all you can afford is something in underprivileged suburb full of other people in financial difficulty. The parents tend to be working 2-3 jobs (sometimes au noir to avoid taxes, so getting problems with the police and getting arrested) so they don't get much time taking care of the children. and when you're poor, the environment at home is not really what is best, specially when it turns into alcoholism and all. And the children HAVE to go to the nearby public school. In france you are not allowed to send your kids in a public school outside your area. Someone who has a kid in a suburb MUST put his kid in the school of this suburb, he is not allowed to put him in a public school in Neuilly, which has a better level of education, better environment, ... so this also affects the way the kid is raised.
and it is well known that socially, a familly who has financial difficulty, the children will tend to have difficulties. This applies on EVERYONE, not just africans, arabs, mexicans, ... poor people go to the suburb, bad environment for the kids, bad schools with bad environment, ....
plus, using this picture to prove your point is baseless, it doesn't classify as an argument to generalize. want me to send you KKK pictures? neo-nazis? hooligans? or maybe one of those gangsters wannabes in australia?
if these people are violent its not because of their origin, it's because of the environment they have been raised in. so try to look a bit further than pictures and stories and look at the root cause of these behaviors before generalizing.
lets say you were not able to afford a house in a good area of lebanon but only in a bad area, and you were able only to send your kids to a public school near that area. what are the chances that your kid will behave well, not use drugs, not drink, not buy a mobilette and be labeled as "zouzou 2ebba", ...?
1- there is a huge difference between delinquency in france and poor people in india, china, africa, ...
2- for france's case, if many arabs/africans/... are labeled as violent, its not because they're arabs, or because they're black or because any of these superficial baseless ideas. Most of these people are people who came to france because they were poor, they came to work and get a better life. But when you're poor you can't afford a house in Neuilly or Passy, all you can afford is something in underprivileged suburb full of other people in financial difficulty. The parents tend to be working 2-3 jobs (sometimes au noir to avoid taxes, so getting problems with the police and getting arrested) so they don't get much time taking care of the children. and when you're poor, the environment at home is not really what is best, specially when it turns into alcoholism and all. And the children HAVE to go to the nearby public school. In france you are not allowed to send your kids in a public school outside your area. Someone who has a kid in a suburb MUST put his kid in the school of this suburb, he is not allowed to put him in a public school in Neuilly, which has a better level of education, better environment, ... so this also affects the way the kid is raised.
and it is well known that socially, a familly who has financial difficulty, the children will tend to have difficulties. This applies on EVERYONE, not just africans, arabs, mexicans, ... poor people go to the suburb, bad environment for the kids, bad schools with bad environment, ....
plus, using this picture to prove your point is baseless, it doesn't classify as an argument to generalize. want me to send you KKK pictures? neo-nazis? hooligans? or maybe one of those gangsters wannabes in australia?
if these people are violent its not because of their origin, it's because of the environment they have been raised in. so try to look a bit further than pictures and stories and look at the root cause of these behaviors before generalizing.
lets say you were not able to afford a house in a good area of lebanon but only in a bad area, and you were able only to send your kids to a public school near that area. what are the chances that your kid will behave well, not use drugs, not drink, not buy a mobilette and be labeled as "zouzou 2ebba", ...?
Battikh, my father died when i was 9, and my mother was working at 3 jobs (she is teacher). We had also crisis at 199x, and most my friends parents was also taking many jobs just to feed their families. I start fixing TV's when i was 12 (most of TV's was lamp based, very old, it was hassle to fix them) . Almost all my friends start taking job on summer school vacation, help gather herbs in farms. I had meat only on weekends, and we was suffering, but paying electricity bills.battikh wrote2- for france's case, if many arabs/africans/... are labeled as violent, its not because they're arabs, or because they're black or because any of these superficial baseless ideas. Most of these people are people who came to france because they were poor, they came to work and get a better life. But when you're poor you can't afford a house in Neuilly or Passy, all you can afford is something in underprivileged suburb full of other people in financial difficulty. The parents tend to be working 2-3 jobs (sometimes au noir to avoid taxes, so getting problems with the police and getting arrested) so they don't get much time taking care of the children. and when you're poor, the environment at home is not really what is best, specially when it turns into alcoholism and all. And the children HAVE to go to the nearby public school. In france you are not allowed to send your kids in a public school outside your area. Someone who has a kid in a suburb MUST put his kid in the school of this suburb, he is not allowed to put him in a public school in Neuilly, which has a better level of education, better environment, ... so this also affects the way the kid is raised.
Most of the time i was alone, and playing with other kids. Our city WAS extremely criminal city, we had country jail in city, and when it was closed, many prisoners was released under amnesty and stay in the city.
My friend died in building explosion, when criminals was solving their questions, and planted a bomb (around 20-30 people died on that explosion).
I had some dark period, while i had "bad" adult company, who was drinking a lot, taking drugs and etc. Sure when i so all that, i left them. From all friends i know none become drug addict or criminal. Even many of them still poor, and they drink a lot, they don't commit a crime.
Btw. i didn't had even money for nice clothes this "poor france people from suburbs" have on photo.
Oh poor kids in France, their parents doesn't give them enough attention. They have no choice, than to destroy cars, beat and rob other people. F**k them. This lazy assholes should work at coalmines for crimes they commit.
We have nazi in Moscow for example, but it is not because nation born them, this culture "sponsored" by political parties. And there is actual problem with "foreign cheap labor" in Moscow, much worse than for example palestinians in Lebanon, that is fueling such hatred.and it is well known that socially, a familly who has financial difficulty, the children will tend to have difficulties. This applies on EVERYONE, not just africans, arabs, mexicans, ... poor people go to the suburb, bad environment for the kids, bad schools with bad environment, ....
plus, using this picture to prove your point is baseless, it doesn't classify as an argument to generalize. want me to send you KKK pictures? neo-nazis? hooligans? or maybe one of those gangsters wannabes in australia?
It depends for sure on parents a lot, but it also depends on the nation much more.if these people are violent its not because of their origin, it's because of the environment they have been raised in. so try to look a bit further than pictures and stories and look at the root cause of these behaviors before generalizing.
lets say you were not able to afford a house in a good area of lebanon but only in a bad area, and you were able only to send your kids to a public school near that area. what are the chances that your kid will behave well, not use drugs, not drink, not buy a mobilette and be labeled as "zouzou 2ebba", ...?
Thats why chinese or indian kid(for example) born in poverty have very small chance to become criminal, and even his parents is busy, they will be capable raise a child's love of work, and motivate to become successful person.
I will repeat, indians, chinese, russian people immigrated to USA also because of poverty, to get better change for life. Why there is no stereotype if you see them that they are gangs?
Again, why it is rare to see them homeless asking for penny?
Poverty in India was worse than in Africa. They solve it.
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russians don't have a bad reputation abroad? russians abroad are often associated with the russian mafia.
and for russian girls, it's worse. does it mean that all russian women are whores? surely not. does it mean that the ones who are, do it because they like this job? absolutely not.
as for poverty in china and india, if they were able to fight it it's because the governments did. in africa the political situation is very different. specially when many of the countries' dictators have been supported by foreign countries, or foreign countries have closed their eyes to the doing of these politicians. plus the natural resources in africa are mostly in the hands of foreigners. how are they supposed to get out of poverty if they live in war, genocides, rules by dictators, don't have control over their natural resources, ... and don't tell me it's their fault because they don't mobilize against their leaders. it's militias in control who have no problem exterminating whole villages, people don't have education, and they have much much bigger worries (finding food, water and not dying from some sickness).
and that's not to say that the circumstances under which african americans reached USA are way way different that the ones chinese or russians got there... such things can't but have a repercussion on the society and demographics.
take palestinians in palestine for example. if the make peace with israel and live in the same country as them (stupid assumption, yes), if you will see that palestinians are more violent, less educated, more poor than the jews, is it because they're arabs? is it because jews are better? or is it because they have been oppressed for years? will cime not be higher in israel due to all these people showing their anger towards each others for every thing they have suffered in the past years? even though they made peace...
and for russian girls, it's worse. does it mean that all russian women are whores? surely not. does it mean that the ones who are, do it because they like this job? absolutely not.
as for poverty in china and india, if they were able to fight it it's because the governments did. in africa the political situation is very different. specially when many of the countries' dictators have been supported by foreign countries, or foreign countries have closed their eyes to the doing of these politicians. plus the natural resources in africa are mostly in the hands of foreigners. how are they supposed to get out of poverty if they live in war, genocides, rules by dictators, don't have control over their natural resources, ... and don't tell me it's their fault because they don't mobilize against their leaders. it's militias in control who have no problem exterminating whole villages, people don't have education, and they have much much bigger worries (finding food, water and not dying from some sickness).
and that's not to say that the circumstances under which african americans reached USA are way way different that the ones chinese or russians got there... such things can't but have a repercussion on the society and demographics.
take palestinians in palestine for example. if the make peace with israel and live in the same country as them (stupid assumption, yes), if you will see that palestinians are more violent, less educated, more poor than the jews, is it because they're arabs? is it because jews are better? or is it because they have been oppressed for years? will cime not be higher in israel due to all these people showing their anger towards each others for every thing they have suffered in the past years? even though they made peace...
I agree with nuc. I'm not saying black people or arabs are genetically bad or anything, I'm just agreeing that compared to China, India, Russia or Brazil, they simply didn't know how to enter the "civilized" world (not that I like that appellation).
Sure countries in Africa are torn by wars, militias and foreign exploitations. But do I need to remind you how much India suffered from colonialism? How much China (still) suffered from dictatorship? We can start looking for excuses, and we'll find many (bad parenting, poor neighborhood, poverty, ...) but in the end of the day, while black and arab people are being delinquent in Paris, chinese and indians are working really hard to get out of wherever they are. And, according to multi-Pulitzer-winner Thomas Friedman, they are doing a great job. In his last book, The world is flat, (I'm reading it right now) he explains how chinese and indian young bright minds compete better than ever with american and european graduates. However, and it pains me to say it, nowhere in his Flat World platform, does he mention the role of Arab, Middle Easterns, or Africans.
Take a look at Lebanon. I have rarely seen so much talent in a country. Lebanese people are naturally talented in the fields of science (especially mathematics) and advanced technologies. If you don't believe me just take a look at people in USJ, AUB or Lebanese University. I've studied in three different colleges and I have never find students as competitive as I did during my ESIB days. Yet, this potential goes mostly to waste. Why? There are a million reasons why. I'm not going to state them here. But nonetheless the situation will not change until people will stop loosing their time on (stupid) internal conflicts and actually start working.
I believe this was nuclearcat's original point. I totally agree with it.
Sure countries in Africa are torn by wars, militias and foreign exploitations. But do I need to remind you how much India suffered from colonialism? How much China (still) suffered from dictatorship? We can start looking for excuses, and we'll find many (bad parenting, poor neighborhood, poverty, ...) but in the end of the day, while black and arab people are being delinquent in Paris, chinese and indians are working really hard to get out of wherever they are. And, according to multi-Pulitzer-winner Thomas Friedman, they are doing a great job. In his last book, The world is flat, (I'm reading it right now) he explains how chinese and indian young bright minds compete better than ever with american and european graduates. However, and it pains me to say it, nowhere in his Flat World platform, does he mention the role of Arab, Middle Easterns, or Africans.
Take a look at Lebanon. I have rarely seen so much talent in a country. Lebanese people are naturally talented in the fields of science (especially mathematics) and advanced technologies. If you don't believe me just take a look at people in USJ, AUB or Lebanese University. I've studied in three different colleges and I have never find students as competitive as I did during my ESIB days. Yet, this potential goes mostly to waste. Why? There are a million reasons why. I'm not going to state them here. But nonetheless the situation will not change until people will stop loosing their time on (stupid) internal conflicts and actually start working.
I believe this was nuclearcat's original point. I totally agree with it.
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Sorry, give me a russian prostitute, i'll take her over a bling-bling yaaay high heels ugly makeup, big-car, only looks at her own nose lebanese whatever-you-want-to-call-them.battikh wroteand for russian girls, it's worse. does it mean that all russian women are whores?
I drove through ma3meltin the other day during the day. It felt good to see blond women wearing jeans and t-shirts walking by the road, then we had russian dinner in a small russian restaurant.
Prostitutes? ex-prostitute? So what.
regarding the russian men, I will only point out that you are applying the concept of reputation on a whole population (of hundreds of millions). I already find it wrong to talk about "good families" beause its a generalization. But youre talking it to a new level of stereotyping. And whoever thinks like this is not worth much time. (btw, i fall into this too sometimes, I can also do generalisations. I guess that doesnt make me better then you)
and regarding your previous reply to me, sure there is nothing wrong with stating opinion. but you stated it in an emotional way, which made me think that there are interests involved, and that you are "defending" someone. that doesnt matter that much, i just wanted to say that maybe these people dont want someone to defend them or pity them.
(and Yes, I am defending russian prostitutes :D )
Most prostitutes in Lebanon from Moldova and Ukraine. They call themself russians, for Lebanese, because many lebanese don't know what is Ukraine or Moldova :-Drolf wroteSorry, give me a russian prostitute, i'll take her over a bling-bling yaaay high heels ugly makeup, big-car, only looks at her own nose lebanese whatever-you-want-to-call-them.
I drove through ma3meltin the other day during the day. It felt good to see blond women wearing jeans and t-shirts walking by the road, then we had russian dinner in a small russian restaurant.
Prostitutes? ex-prostitute? So what.
_Russian_ prostitutes can make MUCH better income in Moscow, than in Lebanon :-)
Btw, about Russian mafia... well, there is Japanese Mafia (Yakudzu), Sicilian (Koza Nostra), Chinese (Triad), Polish (Mob), Mexican (i dont remember name) and others. It is something different, all big nations have it.
Actually it is different from unorganised youngsters destroying cars, robbin people on street, raping girls.
P.S. With Putin regime nation is degrading, actually. Mostly because of corruption, and because Gazprom mafia took control on country from 199x's chaos times, thanks to old alcoholic Eltsin, who let this happen.
its clear that you totally missed my point.rolf wroteregarding the russian men, I will only point out that you are applying the concept of reputation on a whole population (of hundreds of millions). I already find it wrong to talk about "good families" beause its a generalization. But youre talking it to a new level of stereotyping. And whoever thinks like this is not worth much time. (btw, i fall into this too sometimes, I can also do generalisations. I guess that doesnt make me better then you)battikh wroteand for russian girls, it's worse. does it mean that all russian women are whores?
i used this example exactly to show him that stereotyping is wrong, you seem to have missed "does it mean that all russian women are whores? surely not." which is supposed to clarify my opinion about these stereotypes...
battikh - actually this stereotype almost right. I have to admin that, but majority of ex-USSR woman (not Russian, they just call themself Russians) is whores.
change of title to , NASA finds 'significant' prostitute on the moon . i guess this is by far the worst off topic :P interesting though :D
i totally agree, but this is a different case. yes, you can blame these particular leabanese for that, because they are educated, they have access to jobs, food, water, security, ...rahmu wroteBut nonetheless the situation will not change until people will stop loosing their time on (stupid) internal conflicts and actually start working.
but you can't blame someone who doesn't have access to water to have priorities other than state of the art education or for voting for the best political leader for the country or even care about politics at all.
people have different priorities based on the basic needs they have fulfilled. basic needs are food/water/survival. everything else is more and more considered as a luxury as you move up. as long as you dont have secured your basic needs, you wont care about what comes above it.
i disagree that it's all. it's maybe most of the ones who are in lebanon. but IN russia it's probably different.nuclearcat wrotebattikh - actually this stereotype almost right. I have to admin that, but majority of ex-USSR woman (not Russian, they just call themself Russians) is whores.
but lets take the ones in lebanon. are they prostitutes BECAUSE they are "russian" (ex-ussr)? are they more likely to prostitute themselves BECAUSE they are "russians"?
True russian woman is VERY different.battikh wrotei disagree that it's all. it's maybe most of the ones who are in lebanon. but IN russia it's probably different.nuclearcat wrotebattikh - actually this stereotype almost right. I have to admin that, but majority of ex-USSR woman (not Russian, they just call themself Russians) is whores.
but lets take the ones in lebanon. are they prostitutes BECAUSE they are "russian" (ex-ussr)? are they more likely to prostitute themselves BECAUSE they are "russians"?
I am talking about Lebanon. It was been always, immigrants is very different from whole nation.
ex-USSR countries have big issue with poverty, some of them defeated it, some is not. Another issue that in our countries women/men ratio is bad, many girls just unable to find decent husband by numbers. Moldova for example 91.7 men for 100 women. Lebanon for example 96/100. And biggest issue, many russian guys tend to leave their wife with child alone, and to go to younger woman.
While i was invited in Excalibur by my lebanese friends, i never "go out" with girls, but i questioned many of them, and on my personal research majority(8 from 10) of them was left by husbands alone with small child, and their job in night club abroad only the the way to make money for their children.
Btw Lebanon is choice of most uneducated girls, who doesn't know English and don't have money to pay initial fees. More clean job (just dance and consummation) in Europe is open for younger, educated, more beatuful girls.
I always wondered if their "work" conditions in Lebanon were as bad as they say. Don't they have a "decent" norm of life? (Just wondering, don't know anything ...)nuclearcat wroteBtw Lebanon is choice of most uneducated girls, who doesn't know English and don't have money to pay initial fees. More clean job (just dance and consummation) in Europe is open for younger, educated, more beatuful girls.
Mostly they are from group of people who russians call "gopniki". Usually it is poor society who don't want to work, enjoy alcohol, drugs and etc.
While very young they drink a lot of vodka + smoke hashish (instead of going to school/university), getting easy money (mostly from parents or from risky sales during crazy 199x). Now when girls from such socities have kids, but unable to work, prostitution is only their choice.
Here is few photos of this "society".
http://stat4.blog.ru/lr/080649a8ab68fe1ba67b121193789bf9
http://gopov.net.ru/uploads/posts/2009-07/1247408694_83066.jpg
http://img-2008-05.photosight.ru/02/2659076.jpg
http://rpod.ru/personal/pictures/00/00/01/31/24/0000000014.jpg
While very young they drink a lot of vodka + smoke hashish (instead of going to school/university), getting easy money (mostly from parents or from risky sales during crazy 199x). Now when girls from such socities have kids, but unable to work, prostitution is only their choice.
Here is few photos of this "society".
http://stat4.blog.ru/lr/080649a8ab68fe1ba67b121193789bf9
http://gopov.net.ru/uploads/posts/2009-07/1247408694_83066.jpg
http://img-2008-05.photosight.ru/02/2659076.jpg
http://rpod.ru/personal/pictures/00/00/01/31/24/0000000014.jpg
Guys please, this has become really of topic. I should have not added my tiny argument in the first place because it looks like it led to a debate that ended up with stories about prostitutes, mafias and irrelevant stuff.
Do you think they can find alien prostitutes on the moon? :P
Do you think they can find alien prostitutes on the moon? :P