LIX-lebanese Internet eXchange

J4D · 2009-11-09T09:47:29+00:00

in the latest news we have got engineer George Baroud (related to Ziad Baroud) allegedly assigned as comm minister. he works at a local communications firm o...

J4D

you have a point , so what NGO's do you have in mind . BTW we are not starting a charity ! :) the isp's primarily should pay for there stuff for an advantage of speedier internet for there customers who will directly identify the LIX as faster :) so ISPs with LIX get more costomers , thats a marketing plan . it does not even need funding or anything . each party pays for themselves , the good part is that the LIX is for free just connect and go , thats all the charity about it .

ballouta

I'm gonna wish you good luck guys with what your doing im still kinda young to deal with that stuff :P so good luck :)

Kareem

ballouta wroteI'm gonna wish you good luck guys with what your doing im still kinda young to deal with that stuff :P so good luck :)

Nshalla 3a ayyemak bass...

J4D

Thanks ballouta :) you are never too young ;)

<kidding> kareem that's mean . im going to personally work so you don't benefit from LIX :P </kidding>

Kareem

jadberro wroteThanks ballouta :) you are never too young ;)

<kidding> kareem that's mean . im going to personally work so you don't benefit from LIX :P </kidding>

Best of luck as long as there is a chance to change !

J4D

this proverb seems redundant for the times Ive heard and said but when there is a will there is a way ;)

Joe

Usually only one way to reach such high persons - open letter from large group of people.

If the initiative is led by a UN-backed NGO, with the problem going mainstream (the Facebook/social networks awarness plan), we might have a chance of the ministries listening.

as for the joining another NGO im against that because simply that would make us inferior and controlled and we are against that we can make them OUR partners ;)

Who cares?? Be realist, we're not that strong in the first place. Battikh is absolutely right, the best thing for us is to get an NGO take care of the problem.

So maybe start by working on the solution presentation. And maybe get a list of NGOs that might be interested.

I was thinking how about defining the IRC meeting right now? How does next Monday (16th of November) sounds? in the evening ...

J4D

hmm ok let us see a list of willing NGOs . about the meeting ok lets set up an irc first them we will do the face to face . i suggest the IRC at night Lebanon time (8-9 pm) where we will all probably will be free , ill see also if teo is willing to join .

crazy

Hello,

I had an interesting discussion with a person from berytech (not a simple employee, but I forgot his position).
He was telling me about the peering they are doing between the ISPs (not ogero) and how the situation can improve (he says "will improve" but I prefer to say "can") within one year. They are actually working on setting an Internet exchange for all ISPs (ogero included, but with ogero it will take a bit more time because politics are involved). Predicting that in a year, things will improve drastically.
I'm getting back to france this saturday, I will try to get his contact so I can get more information, maybe we can contribute to the study, or applaude if the project is completed :)

If a project is underway, we can base our project on it, and go from there. I don't know nuc if you have a bit of information about this peering done at berytech (since you work at VISP and the company was working hard on connecting ISPs together).

Crazy

P.S: Online meetings? Don't get me wrong, but 3 people on a MSN chatbox is chaos... and this is just to decide for delivery food...
Online meeting won't work unless there was a real meeting before. And to have this meeting, a proper document and plan should be available beforehand. You cannot come take a pen and paper and start writing up stuff.
Gather infos, a lot of infos before doing anything.

BashLogic

the phoenix does not always rise from the ashes...

J4D

crazy : the BIX Beirut internet exchange has been up since 2007 -> unreliable,wireless,slow,low capacity...
but you are right ogero is not a member. as far as i know there is no project at all like ours in Lebanon . the BIX was set in hours each isp got a connection from there's throe wireless and connected to the switch "big deal".
that BIX is not big enough , the BIX gets flooded all the time.

GUYS we are circling around ourselves , enough please :) just let us focus on a meeting we will settle everything there , i beg you . stop thinking of other solutions and stuff nothing is worth working for , except this whether we go around any NGO i don't care ILMOHIM yimshi il 7al ! just focus on setting a meeting or an IRC but halt the elaboration a bit . our minds are getting overloaded with too many options we need to study all of them face to face.

edit :

BashLogic wrotethe phoenix does not always rise from the ashes...

true there is the first time when the phoenix was made ;) there were no ashes at start ;)

crazy

Jad, can you point out the differences between the BIX and the LIX? I mean, what would be the differences?

J4D

@crazy: http://docs.google.com/View?id=dg36xxnd_4hg8htrnj read the highlighted part

BashLogic

that image gives a very wrong picture. sorry but that is not correct.

J4D

whats wrong with it ?

rolf

@jadberro, regarding your diagram, there is nothing wrong with packets going through internet, that is what they are supposed to do.
You should rather make it clear that the packets are going through submarine links and reaching europe/usa before coming back to lebanon.
We could to traceroutes and give path representations on the world map of actual traceroutes.
I think there is a software that does that.

crazy

I've read the document, and read once again the highlighted part.
So in simple words, the difference between the BIX and this LIX is that LIX has better hardware, and all ISPs will be connected.

So BIX has a lot of advance, the project is the same, we're just loosing time now. Engineers working at berytech surely knows about tech stuff as we know it. Give it time and there will be an improvement, since they are changing the physical links and ogero will join the BIX soon (this is what berytech engineer told me).

J4D

guys the diagram has yet another part that shows it after LIX (i did not finish it yet) ! LOL Rolf i know that's how its supposed to be done :) but lix is faster . so crazy you mean lets forget everything ! haha

battikh

who in berytech is working on it? N.R? M.C? or is it a company having offices in berytech?

btw, for berytech, to give an example for the advantages of going for an already known and well established NGO, berytech got its whole networking infrastructure for their new building next to mat7af financed by the EU with the ONLY condition to get equipment made in europe, which was a piece of cake as cisco has factories in europe. and it was not a small investment...

anyways, if anyone needs contacts there, i can help, i was the net-admin there when i was still in uni, so i know them quiet well.

J4D

great battikh ! :D i suggest if you can see if they can support LIX ? is that possible ? or if the BIX can be transformed to LIX ?

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