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battikh wrotelately, because of all these socializing, non-informative posts, i tend to just click on the "mark all topics as read" button (here, i didn't even had to go up and check what it says, i remembered it, and i have an AWFUL memory...) instead of actually checking new posts coz i know that 90% of posts will not be that interesting and will most probably just be 2 people chatting together not saying anything much relevant.

do you agree with me that it is not interesting for me (or anyone else) to read a post saying that another more interesting post will come later on? i would like to just see the later more interesting post, there is absolutely no added value to the previous one.
it's just my opinion, feel free to agree with it or not, you're a free grown man. hope you'll take it positively and not as an insult. and btw, this doesn't go just for you, but for you, me and many others.

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+1

I was thinking the exact same thing but hey, seems I am not the only one!

Its been few days now I am starting to get really annoyed..
Topic cleaned up. Jad berro was mistakenly banned by Akismet.
Back on topic.
thanks samer
rahmu wroteJad is one of the most active members on the forum, so in a way he can somewhat afford to post something like that.
thanks for the lovely compliment rahmu :)

we are back on track concerning the topic and im not gonna waste my time replying to nonsense .
^^ here, you just did it again, you had nothing to say ,and yet, you posted... :P thx for proving my point.

seems that "affording to post something like that" happens a bit too often...
plus it's about quality, not quantity. if you want just activity, i can bring in my sister, she wont stop posting and saying whatever comes on her mind.
in my opinion, the most valuable users of this forum are users like nuc, teo, mir, padre, samer, ... which when you see they have posted, you can guarantee that it is at LEAST worth it to read what they have said, and they are among the least active members, but without them the forum would be pure bullshit.
you think paying attention and replying to your silly and childish posts are of my primary concerns ? then you are wrong , Ive got studies , projects , plans just more important then you and your posts . stop the nonsense stop being silly and keep some of the dignity and self respect you still have :) at least i never undermine or insult anyone from the start , unless insulted at first ;) follow your advice and don't respond to this post ;) as for me im done with you battikh you are practically invisible in my eyes on this forum . im not going to act like teo and leave . im staying here there are more people who love me here than "ONE" who is hating me :)
now back to the topic :p
i liked what rahmu suggested and i have few things to add:
rahmu is right when he said that we have to make the internet non-geeks addicts involved in this campain but there is a problem in that; not all of those dudes realise that the internet is slow. lots of my freinds, some of my family who are facebook\msn addicts thinks that a 256kbs connection is awesome and it is very fast and they are happy about it, and when i am nagging about my 512kbs/1Mbs connection they are like WTF. so in order to make them feel that their connection is slow is to make them youtube addicts :P we can do that in lots of ways (blogs like rahmu suggested, create some personal vlogs and some short videos describing how slow the internet it, make them suffer watching them, ..... in other words inform them that there is much more interesting stuff than facebook and msn) and let them know that the internet speed is not only about download but upload that totally sucks here. We can also benefit form gamers and inform them what is the perfect connection for games, what is ping ? how important it is for games ? ....
other than that we can make them involved by taking advantage of the Lebanese instinct : compare our internet to other Arabs counties and especially Syria. here's a sample of speed comparison:



so i think we should first create a blog, a serious one and work on it all of us in a pro way.
oh i forgot we should also inform people that no one is getting the speed they are paying for.

another thing other than speed we should focus on is the traffic limit, and the price of our internet and we should suggest solutions so that we won't appear that we are just nagging.

but we still have one major problem : POLITICS !!!! every aounist will think that we are attacking basil and we are agaisnt him , i know that form my parents , ...... . of political shits.
they just cannot understand this phrase:
rahmu wroteIn other words, we're not attacking Bassil, Aoun, Hariri, Sanioura or anyone in particular for that matter... all these guys owe us decent connections)
but it is better to try doing than sit and cry and nag ! so im interested in this thing, and these are the idea i got when i read the post today, I'll add if i came up with anything else :p
Talking about Syrian internet take a look at this syrian ISP they have ADSL from 256k to 8 Mb/s and the prices are high compared worldwide but way cheaper than lebanese prices and they claim it is unlimited traffic without any quota:
http://aya.sy/services/adsl/

I downloaded a pdf document yesterday about the MENOG 5 that was made in Mövenpick Hotel (For middle east network operators for those who dont know it) this thing lasted several days and they discussed Those topics during it, the document that I downloaded was "Telecommunications Developments in Lebanon" by Toufic Chebaro, PhD (OREGO)" and in the end of the document something pulled my attention and it was "Expectaions for the coming two years" :
-The number of DSL Customers is expected to reach
400,000 (penetration rate of 50% with respect to the
number of telephone lines) *
-The total number of broadband subscriptions is expected
to reach 600,000 subscriptions including few thousands
of FTTH subscriptions *
-The average speed of the broadband connections to the
Internet is expected to become 1.5 Megabit/s (compared to
256K for the time being) *
- The Incoming Internet traffic to Lebanon (and directed to
the Lebanese market only) is expected to hit 40 Gigabit/s
within two years from now*
Early and aggressive adoption of IPV6: OGERO/LIBAN
TELECOM as a relatively fresh ISP will think IPV6 each
time a new service/application is offered/developed
- Use of the very high bandwidth made available through
IMEWE to:
- Serve the connectivity requirements of regional
markets
- Ensure a presence in the major IXPs of the world with
the aim of becoming an Internet Regional Hub
especially for IPV6
- Availability of state of the art infrastructure and services
for both Residential and Corporate segments.
* Conservative Figures
Full document : Here (4.1 MB)
Well at least we can dream ;)
GN , Ali i guess you are now in the team :) great ideas guys , but that's for the long run , now we are working on connecting the isp's in Lebanon together in order to save the bandwidth for precious things . for example when all the isp's get connected together if you want to send me a file over msn , now it flies all the way over to america and back to me , while if they were connected the data will travel straight to me (passing throe a data control center) so guys focus on this plan how to make the people yell to want it :) because asking for more bandwidth and expecting the country to pay well forget about it :) welcome to the team . we should set up a website or a blog asap . if Samer is interested it can be a part of his lebgeeks project ?
GN90 wroteoh i forgot we should also inform people that no one is getting the speed they are paying for.
According your government prices, most of customers paid only for 15-30Kbit/s.
another thing other than speed we should focus on is the traffic limit, and the price of our internet and we should suggest solutions so that we won't appear that we are just nagging.
Solutions is simple, TG (teodor) gave all of them. But till people elect politics because of their religion or relatives, not by knowledge and work results - country will continue to degrade in all aspects.
MSN won't send file directly over local bandwidth. And more than that - MSN file transfer traffic is less than 1% in whole bandwidth consumed from outside.
nuclearcat wroteMSN won't send file directly over local bandwidth. And more than that - MSN file transfer traffic is less than 1% in whole bandwidth consumed from outside.
are you sure ? there must be a way . intercepting ports packets ?
It is MSN protocol issues, you need to have real ip for each customer, to have direct transfer. Even if customer have, most of customers use "routers", which do NAT. As result - transfers going thru Microsoft servers.
As i said before - MSN transfers doesn't play significant role in bandwidth. Doesn't worth to worry even. I have another, much better ideas regarding that.