teodorgeorgiev
Aly wrote
That's Amazing especially the benefits of linking all the major ISPs with Fiber optic and having Lebanese torrent communities, low latencies local gaming servers and Lebanese websites will load faster, this will be more than enough for me.
But we must not forget about one major detail (As battikh said) that to apply such a project it must be approved by the Minister of telecom, the minister of finance and the prime minister, and most likely one of them or all of them wont sign it and it will be blown away.
Why should not they sign? An excuse?
Shou... who is Fouad Siniora, Jubran Bassil,Saad Hariri.... The entire country belongs to them or what?
Why should they sign? Minister of Finances? Since no finances is required from the government, why should he sign?
It is a telecom project.
One by one they will sign or after the next elections no one will even ask them for their signature (a good sentence to threat them).
Why do you look at your ministers as some sort of greek Gods? Some high-level bosses.... They are just employees of the country.
They do not own the country and your fate. We are not asking Siniora to spend a night with him, or a loan from his pocket,
or any other personal favor.
We are DEMANDING OUR RIGHTS.
If the minister does not work for the country - move out ya haiwan, the next one in the queue to come. What, this country lacks of
ministers or what? :cool:
J4D
thats true teo :D we only need the approval of the minister of communication :) then we can discuss with the ISP'S :D
teodorgeorgiev
By re-reading the document once again I got yet another "question" to ask:
Why Ogero did not want to peer in the BIX? Again PM and MoF did not sign? Come on, do not expect that the MPT/Ogero has no independency
at all and that for every their minor move a sign of the PM and MoF is required. TOTALLY WRONG.
teodorgeorgiev
Do whatever you want with the document (constructive). I do not require it to be known as "Teo's document" (not to forget that several other people have contributed to it). I will keep updating it and contributing to it.
The more people read it, the more people we have who would know how easy it is to improve the current situation.
So my wish is - spread it as much as you can. Let people know !!!
rolf
jadberro wroteyallah guys we need to keep this alive , i suggest THE IDEA to be called the " LIX " as in Lebanon internet Xchange
There is already Broadband Lebanon. Their petition is going around facebook too.
Why dont we contact them and see if we can act on their behalf.
nuclearcat
Broadband lebanon is a bit funny. Idea is very nice and right, to bring petition to government so they do nice things.
They bring... government said (read
www.tra.gov.lb), "we sign it too"). What is next?
I ask them "You will sign all petition (with a bit unreal terms for current moment), and what after you sign?"
It seems they don't know.
Proper way to fix situation is PLAN how to do it. And Teodor have most of it.
Aly
@ Teo
They should sign and approve on a such nice project and even if they don't want to buy extra bandwidth they can apply the BIX, which will only cost fiber optic wires and solve big issues.
If you look at this in another perspective you can notice that in Lebanon there is no Fuel / Petrol / Oil / Natural Gas / etc , the Agricultural division is week we export alot of fruits and vegetables from other (arab) countries, Industrial division sucks like hell (if it even exists), So the Lebanese government counts on some things as an income :
-Tourism and mostly in summer.
-Telecom :
====> The cellphones brings a very high revenue to the country
====> Internet, they buy each 1mbit for 12-15 Euros and sell it for up to 1200$
-Money that comes from TVA or VAT
-The tax added on each 20 L of Fuel that goes straightly to the gov.
As far as I know those are the only MAIN sources of income to the Lebanese gov, and most of that income if not all of it is being stolen and goes straightly to the politicians pockets....
So anything that stands in the way of the pockets of the politicians, anything like cheap internet or cheap cell calls rates or cheap fuel will never happen in Lebanon as long as this same political layer is in a place of Power and dominance.
teodorgeorgiev
Aly,
I do not care about all above. Everyone has an ass and everyone has an excuse. Both start to stink when used too much.
That is how everyone should reply on such a thing. I know they steal, I know they won't be eager to sign, but we will force them to.
One way or another.
Aly
Whatever, the most important is that those ideas (like yours) and improvements of the internet in Lebanon wont just stay some ink on paper :/
And btw I was wondering about something, I have a question and I think that you Teo might know the answer or maybe it is too early to ask, but once the IMEWE project is finished and Lebanon gets "connected" (hopefully) what is the Lebanese share of bandwidth from this 3.84 Tbps capable grouping of submarine cables ? or it is about the amount of bandwidth that the gov is willing to buy via it ?
teodorgeorgiev
The Lebanese share is quite small, but it is like 40-80Gbps. Compared to what we have now - 3Gbps, this would be a miracle.
~40Gbps is the amount of bandwidth that Ogero is allowed to buy (theoritically). However they would not buy even 10% of this
due to many reasons (all stupid).
Indeed, I am still wondering why they have agreed to participate and pay all this money... ... This has costed a lot to Ogero.
At least, for God sake, they won't be able to move this bandwidth from Tripoli. Probably they might put a submarine cable along the coast
side to Beirut. Really, no idea.
P.S. 3.8TB is the maximum operating capacity. It would work probably on 400Gbps as a start. The majority of the bandwidth will go to the
big guys, this is really big countries with well developed IT structure and hunger for bandwidth:
India, UAE, KSA, Pakistan, Egypt.
Sandro
Hi, my problem still presists. They wont fix it intentionaly, I would like to mention how their tech support is so under-qualified, she was confusing MBs with GBs, i asked her how much is my score tday she said 900 GBs "oufff shu bta3mol download w 3mb tkhani2 kamen! 900 GBs ktarr!!!" LOL. I think that they hire schooled 15 year olds to save some money. Im thinking of abusing the connection since im already in the abuse list by renaming the name of my wireless router to "Free Internet" and let all the people in my area to leech. I know that this will affect other users sharing internet with my line but sometimes we must intentionaly lose a battle to win the war. 16 more days to make them lose as much as i can..
Cheers!
Aly
@ Teo thanks for the explanation :D
@ Sandro I think Sodetel will keep reshaping your internet speed until it will be barely called internet if you abuse like you said :P
rolf
nuclearcat wroteBroadband lebanon is a bit funny. Idea is very nice and right, to bring petition to government so they do nice things.
They can progress. If the petition doesnt work, they can move on to other things.
I just dont like the idea that every time 10 people get together and decide to do something, they create a new group with a new name and new mission statement. I have seen this with political movements, 100s of small "movements" were created during the past years, and none went very far.
nuclearcat
rolf - there is big people behind it. Check whois, there is "Salam Yamout", one of Cisco top persons in Lebanon.
When big commercial companies involved in such campaigns, i don't believe in their pureness.
But... as far as i know, but based on my personal research, their(govt of US and large companies close to them) tactics is simple - make government of Lebanon strong, people educated, and defeat by that way religious fanatics. Hopefully it fit our needs, and maybe we can join them.
If their goal is not clean(for example commercial interested to lock-in broadband for Cisco only), they will refuse us to participate in this manifesto and keep their current tactics.
Maybe Teodor should try to talk with them?
teodorgeorgiev
Nuclearcat, as speaking about religious fanatics, I would just note that the only political power who has not been given the chance to
"fix" the thing is Hezballah. But lets stay away from the politics :)
Indeed, BroadbandLebanon is (as Denys stated) really a naive way of trying to fix the things. Yes, T.R.A is in the list, MPT is in the list.
However I can't blame the guys, one should always start with a modest and constructive step, not straight with the guns and mortars.
I tried to get in contact with them, tried to post on the forum, sent them a document.... No reply at all.
Just sent once again, they say - reply will come in 72 hours. We wait?
nuclearcat
"Starting next July, every person in Finland will have the right to a one-megabit broadband connection, according to the Ministry of Transport and Communications. Finland is the world's first country to create laws guaranteeing broadband access. The Finnish people are also legally guaranteed a 100Mb broadband connection by the end of 2015."
http://news.cnet.com/8301-17939_109-10374831-2.html
nuclearcat
Btw Teodor, Hezbollah not fanatics, just religion plays major part in their strategy.
Fanatics is Al-Quaeda, and one who make story in Nahr-El-Bared. There is many... still.
J4D
thats true nuclear cat :) BTW i guess we should as hezbollah's help since they have laid down a fiber cable across Lebanon to connect major cities for the internal communication network ( and for video call ) :P however broadband Lebanon is useless but i guess i will try to contact them and see if maybe they support us or maybe base there plans on the " LIX "
teodorgeorgiev
Just a small question, to put more oil into the fire:
It is well known fact that Marwan Hamadeh's son became a member of the board of directors of WISE. He
was so welcome there just because of what his father was. As a result WISE activity boosted really quickly.
Jubran Bassil helped his old buddy Anthony (and himself as well) to get an ISP license within days and get
bandwidth also that quickly.
How both of these managed to get the signs of the PM and the MoF for the above mentioned activities?
A: Looks like the Minister of Telecommunications has more than enough independency :cool:
battikh
not all activities require the approval of the finance minister and the prime minister.
it's usually things that require government investment that require these approvals. a license approval doesn't require any investment from the government's side.
as opposed to laying fiber, upgrading the infrastructure, investing in more bandwidth, ... which require some investments from the government's side, and coordination with other ministries (like civil works ministry for laying fiber for example).
