crazy
Hello,
The title says almost everything, but I will make myself clearer about the subject:
What does a person have to do, in order to acquire a (I will say 90% not 99% uptime, coz once again --> we're in Lebanon) connection, VERY good for online gaming?
I insist on the VERY, because a plain good is not enough. I actually had this connection few weeks ago, but the only problem was that the bandwidth that came with it, was not sufficient to satisfy 2 PCs running world of warcraft, so imagine when I tried 3 accounts in the same time...(when I talk about bandwidth I do not mean limitation in traffic, but the connection couldn't handle, most of the time, 2 world of warcraft account in the same time)
I had an amazing latency of 150 to max 300-400 ms, which is great compared to other ISPs, but after a period of around ~60% uptime of the connection, I had to change it, and now I have 2 problems: 1- High latency issues. 2- Not enough to handle 2 account in the same time.
I mean, can't a person get the full package in lebanon? Is it this hard to offer this service here? Now I really don't know what to do: should I contact a ISP that provides ADSL? Because I tried online gaming on several ISP, the latency was average 1000ms, which for real time gaming is not that good... or should I wait for something else...?
I hope some people experienced the same problem, and could enlighten me about some solutions.
Crazy
WizaRd
Online gaming wins.
Unless you have DSL 512K+ Wise or Sodetel.
crazy
In other words, you say that DSL 512K, wise or sodetel is the answer for me? Because IDM and Terranet gave me high latency in no peak time hours. Did you try it? or still using it? (the wise,sodetel adsl)
WizaRd
Sodetel is 300-400ms all day long.. sometimes goes up to 700-800 (at 2-3 PM .. no idea why its not even peak time) but usually ~400 ms all day
I heard Wise is the same if not better (Padre here has broadband with Wise and he has such low latency all day)
crazy
I've been thinking of giving a call to the wise people. I just sent a mail asking for some informations. But from what I heard, they have 2 "chabake", and one is better than the other for the online gaming. I think I should nag a bit so they put me on the good one... or so I heard:)
WizaRd
Yep, ask for the fiber-optics one (landline).
rolf
What ISP gave you 150ms crazy ?
I can tell you that WISE + Sodetel is no good. Terrible actually.
WizaRd
I dont know on what basis you gave the information rolf but Sodetel has been running my friend's WoW 300-400ms all day long for the past 2 weeks. Sodetel 512K
crazy
Hi Rolf,
I was on VISP via a reseller, running on 128/64, it had a burst for like 10-30 seconds when downloading: sometimes downloading a 4mb files would take less then 10 seconds, with the speed at 160KB/s.
I had latencies of 125 150 250 on world of warcraft, even when playing 3 accounts in the same time, it would go to 300 400ms.. Unfortunetly in these past weeks they had several problems (this is what my reseller told me..) the uptime of the connection was low, everything was really slow, and I had a lot of disconnection. Now I switched temperarly to another connection (I know nothing about this one.. only that it says its 384/64, but the VISP connection was better when running with no problems.
I am still open for suggestions, maybe I should contact VISP people to see with them.
Crazy
rolf
Hey everyone
Crazy, what you said sounds like my experience with visp... lol... they had a good service, but at some point they started having problems... It all started when they "upgraded" some part of the wireless receiver they had installed on the roof... and the connection became erratic... they came back to fix it after some time... I dont remember the details, but at some point we stayed like 3 days without internet... that is when we decided to try another isp. Looking back their service was good before we had these problems the last couple of weeks. One thing that was constant with them VISP is that you get 100% of the advertised bandwidth in HTTP downloads (but not always for P2P or upload).
Flyingwizard, I have WISE/Sodetel (512) installed and I tried playing online games, and had too much packet loss and bad latencies. In general the biggest problem is huge packet loss. You also get 50% or less of advertised bandwidth, but that's another story. I dont know if I'm on a bad network segement or something... I still have it installed, next time i plug it I can run some tests if you want.
WizaRd
I think it has to do with the location and how close you are to the 'central'.
My IDM in beirut (512K) gives me 1200ms if i am lucky while a friend of mine has ~600ms all day long with 128K (yes.. 128!!!)
It is pretty fucked up in this country, and I cant understand why.
Halo
Honestly, I'm pretty happy with my WISE connection. I talk and play, and everyone can hear me fine with the 64 kbps upload, and, while playing FPS games, I really can't tell a difference between the time it takes for the bullet to actually do the damage.
And about stability, WISE is very stable, but only in the morning until around 11:00, because that's when people start getting on and all.
I've actually had some pings to bbc.co.uk at around 100 ms with WISE, which is good for online gaming against the British. I also have a good time against the Americans, in both cases, I can't tell if there's lag.
Also, I play games with around 10 people in the party, and it's all fine. I rarely pass the bandwith limit, online gaming uses around 25 M upload for 3 hours and 50 M download, so I have more than enough time to play on the X-Box 360. Also, you get free bandwith at night, so just do the big downloads then.
There are some problems though. You're not always on the good backbone, sometimes they put you on satellite, which gives me around 500 ms latency, but on the land line, normally it's around 100 ms in the morning and it's stable.
Also, you rarely get the advetised bandwith, there are no burst speeds, and, on good days, you get around 50 KBps download, and 7 KBps upload. Normally, it's like a minimum of 32/256 connection.
Anyway, I'm pretty happy, I get green bars on Halo 3 which means no lag, but only when I'm on the good backbone.
Halo
Here's a ping done to bbc.co.uk right now, on the good backbone (not the very good one, they have like fifty backbones), also remember, it's 12:05, so it's kind of unstable now.
Pinging bbc.co.uk [212.58.224.131] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 212.58.224.131: bytes=32 time=161ms TTL=123
Reply from 212.58.224.131: bytes=32 time=145ms TTL=123
Reply from 212.58.224.131: bytes=32 time=151ms TTL=123
Reply from 212.58.224.131: bytes=32 time=113ms TTL=123
Ping statistics for 212.58.224.131:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 113ms, Maximum = 161ms, Average = 142ms
You see, I got 113 ms minimum, but in the morning, it's pretty stable around that number.
Here's a traceroute:
1 38 ms 43 ms 137 ms 207-226-49-1.btnaccess.net [207.226.49.1]
2 34 ms 28 ms 36 ms 172.16.40.13
3 157 ms 108 ms 130 ms pos3-5.ar03.ldn01.pccwbtn.net [63.218.13.113]
4 227 ms 122 ms 159 ms TenGE13-3.br02.ldn01.pccwbtn.net [63.218.12.246]
5 128 ms 144 ms 115 ms bbc-gw0-linx.prt0.thdoe.bbc.co.uk [195.66.224.103]
6 156 ms 166 ms 122 ms 212.58.238.129
7 163 ms 144 ms 122 ms rdirwww-vip.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.224.131]
There aren't many hops. Normally, the very good backbone passes through something called flagtel, which it isn't doing now, and it's kind of unstable now, but in the morning, on the very good backbone, you get stable latencies to England at around 100 ms. But, hey, this backbone's not too bad. Under 150 ms means that you can play online with minimum lag ;)
Padre
ur on the 207 subnet :P (the ip starts with 207 :P) that's the original subnet wise used to use :) ( i didn't know they still allowed users to use it )
it had pretty good latency too :) im on the 63.smth and i have around the same latency.
Halo
Yeah but normally online gaming is better for me when the 2nd hop in the traceroute doesn't time out, in the case above, it didn't so I wasn't on satellite, but on other days, it does, and I can tell a big difference in the latency while gaming. I sent WISE an e-mail about keeping me on the good backbone, because right now, I'm getting traceroutes like this:
Tracing route to bbc.co.uk [212.58.224.131]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.2.1
2 57 ms 43 ms 35 ms 207-226-49-1.btnaccess.net [207.226.49.1]
3 * * * Request timed out.
4 456 ms 433 ms 449 ms so-4-0-1-nyc5.flagtel.com.144.216.62.in-addr.arpa [62.216.144.105]
5 426 ms 448 ms 441 ms so-7-1-0.0.cjr02.ldn004.flagtel.com [62.216.128.237]
6 439 ms 426 ms 449 ms bbc-gw0-linx.prt0.thdoe.bbc.co.uk [195.66.224.103]
7 431 ms 449 ms 455 ms 212.58.238.153
8 424 ms 463 ms 441 ms rdirwww-vip.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.224.131]
Trace complete. (The first hop is the router)
The latency isn't as good because it timed out on the second hop (here, it's on the 3rd hop). And also, when I check what ISP I'm using with speedtest.net, it says I'm using SkyVision Holdings. Normally, with good latencies, it says Moscanet.
WizaRd
Are you on DSL or broadband Halo ?
Halo
Broadband
WizaRd
aha, 128K / 256K / 512K ?
i am seriously thinking of switching to wise... if the latencies are that low.. is it under 200-300ms from 6:00PM to 10:00PM as well ?
Halo
All plans are 512/64, but you got like a 2 GB limit on the cheapest plan (.4 for upload)
Sometimes it's that low at around those times, but the stability is not that great at those times. I prefer playing at around 6:00 -11:00 AM. Anyway, it's only good when they put you on the good backbone. If you get WISE, make sure to tell them you want the good backbone.
Halo
I can show you a video of how gaming online with WISE is on the good backbone. Honestly, it feels like LAN play. You want me to try and upload a video sometime of me playing a FPS (Halo 3) ?
