teodorgeorgiev wrote
unforgiven wrotebass 13 gb ? i can abuse mine for up to 750mb x 30 = 22.5 gb ... but the 750 limit here can be bypassed to approx 900mb
In Lebanon you can drive as fast as you want and no police man will stop you.
But the roads are really crappy on some places. There are no rules, everyone can hit you and he is not to blame.
And...by driving at this high speed you can kill a child... ...

In Europe, there are strict speed limitations. There are rules on the road and traffic-police officers who watch
for these rules. The roads are very good though and car accidents with lethal character happen less than in Lebanon.

So, for whom is Lebanon the better thing? For the brainless idiots = road murderers.
i failed to see how that is related to what i just said.

If you mean to tell me that the Lebanese tend to bend the rules then you are quite right, but it so does happen that if my ISP is being disturbed by what i am doing in any way i'd be more than glad due to millions of reasons that i don't feel like posting here. If that is not what you meant then might you re explain ?
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that's during peak time, else it can drop to 170 that's the lowest i ever got to google :P
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that's during peak time, else it can drop to 170 that's the lowest i ever got to google :P
What provider???
WISE Corporate, it dosent really matter, as long as ur sitting on a land line.
Yeah, Wise has some decent latency but the amount of bandwith limitation per account is just horrible.

you have like 2 GB per month for a 256 Kbps connection.
Sorry, off topic, but do you have any idea about the upload quotas of wise?
yeah, cuper crap, like 250 megs for the 45$ one and 400 for the 75$
ok :D
thanks
Padre, I have a question for you, I read on Wise's website that if you do pass the limit, you pay to get more megabytes, but if you don't pay, you will still be able to browse the internet, just at lower speeds, how low are we talking here, if you know?

BTW, have you ever played online, Padre? Is it nice? I'm thinking of getting VISP, how much would it's latencies be (the broadband silver connection) to like google?
we got 512 now :) and some kind of night download rules. its nice :P

it's pretty crappy when u exceed teh limit, around 2.5 to 3 sometimes 4 but never above 4KBps.
About bandwidth limitations, from my mails, 2 messages
> Venice Project would break many users' ISP conditions
>
> OUT-LAW News, 03/01/2007
>
> Internet television system The Venice Project could break users' monthly
> internet bandwith limits in hours, according to the team behind it.
>
> It downloads 320 megabytes (MB) per hour from users' computers, meaning
> that users could reach their monthly download limits in hours and that it
> could be unusable for bandwidth-capped users.
>
> The Venice Project is the new system being developed by Janus Friis and
> Niklas ZennstrĐ–m, the Scandinavian entrepreneurs behind the revolutionary
> services Kazaa and Skype. It is currently being used by 6,000 beta testers
> and is due to be launched next year.
>
> The data transfer rate is revealed in the documentation sent to beta
> testers and the instructions make it very clear what the bandwidth
> requirements are so that users are not caught out.
>
> Under a banner saying 'Important notice for users with limits on their
> internet usage', the document says: "The Venice Project is a streaming
> video application, and so uses a relatively high amount of bandwidth per
> hour. One hour of viewing is 320MB downloaded and 105 Megabytes uploaded,
> which means that it will exhaust a 1 Gigabyte cap in 10 hours. Also, the
> application continues to run in the background after you close the main
> window."
>
> "For this reason, if you pay for your bandwidth usage per megabyte or have
> your usage capped by your ISP, you should be careful to always exit the
> Venice Project client completely when you are finished watching it," says
> the document
>
> Many ISPs offer broadband connections which are unlimited to use by time,
> but have limits on the amount of data that can be transferred over the
> connection each month. Though limits are 'advisory' and not strict, users
> who regularly far exceed the limits break the terms of their deals.
>
> BT's most basic broadband package BT Total Broadband Package 1, for
> example, has a 2GB monthly 'usage guideline'. This would be reached after
> 20 hours of viewing.
>
> The software is also likely to transfer data even when not being used. The
> Venice system is going to run on a peer-to-peer (P2P) network, which means
> that users host and send the programmes to other users in an automated
> system.
>
> OUT-LAW has seen screenshots from the system and talked to one of the
> testers of it, who reports very favourably on its use. "This is going to
> be the one. I've used some of the other software out there and it's fine,
> but my dad could use this, they've just got it right," he said. "It looks
> great, you fire it up and in two minutes you're live, you're watching
> television."
>
> The source said that claims being made for the system being "near high
> definition" in terms of picture quality are wide of the mark. "It's not
> high definition. It's the same as normal television," he said.
and some ISP, USA... "where internet is cheap"
I guess the good thing is that almost no one has the ability to actually
deliver this today. Not to the masses anyway.

Heck, I had ONE user download 2 to 3 movies per day kill an ap till I
figured out who it was and what they were doing.

AOL has put in fair use policies, Sat. TV already had one (based on data
transfer volumes), many cable systems have transfer limits.

The cost of connectivity will have to tall to pennies per meg to make this a
reality for people. Sure it'll be nice but it still has to fall into
certain price points for folks.
karim wrote@nuclearcat: how come you guys are the only one offering DSL to corporate customers?? i called all the other isps (idm, cyberia...) and you are the only ones who are offering DSL.
i found that very weird. any feedback on that?
Karim,

I am very astonished and insulted by your question in person!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ON THE BASE OF WHAT do you put us and the other ISPs on the same track ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

The other's tech staff are second-hand people, street people... collected from "here and there".

You know arabs much better than me - two left hands and one biiiiig mouth.

They are good in bribing, lying, paying to hostile teenagers to DoS-attack us from hacked
korean or australian servers, bullshitting (they call it "marketing"), spamming (yes, refer to TerraNet and Mr. Wassim Abou-Rjaily)...

We have had experience with xDSL from before, both as customers and working in ISPs.
It took us one day to install and configure the DSL core network.

For your information, the others still investigate how that DSL must work... They mostly
rely on outside tech consultants.
One of the ISPs even purchased a DSLAM, but looks like they still can't make it running.

One year before, when we started to implement the ADSL network, we invited everyone to
come and see our installations and noted that it would be good if the other ISPs reveal
their ADSL network infrastructure. Because at that time they had NOTHING but the
usual tools "two left hands and one biiig mouth".

I am ready to face technically all the networking and telecom "engineers" of Lebanon technically. Starting from Ogero, Alfa, IDM, Terra... ... whatever you want - TCP/IP networking, X.25, Cisco, Linux, telephone switching and signalling systems.

I saw how much do they know. Like the villagers of Alfa, who route some of their
international calls via a low-quality VoIP carrier that gives false supervisory signals thus
resulting in charging for non-answered calls.


Your question sounds so odd, like: "While the Bentley has a leather saloon, but the Daewoo Racer does not ???"
ok, Amen to that teo :)
100% right about tech ppl
200% right bout mouth hand bullshit
300% right about marketing and ignorance.

now tell me how do i get paid to DDoS ;)
i didn't know ISP's in leb do that, but im not really surprised tho.

dont know much about VISP, but i could know, if u answer my PM :P
Can you kind of explain the night download rules? It's like if I get a 512 connection premium, I have a 5 gig limit for downloading at peak times and a 15 gig limit for downlaoding at night? Is it like that?
BTW, isn't VISP broadband supposed to be like for one user only? We called today and they said that we need 3 people in our building. Also, on the website it says we can try it for 30 days, right? Well we can called they said we can't. I just want to know that if we did get 3 people, would my speed be affected?
Halo wroteBTW, isn't VISP broadband supposed to be like for one user only? We called today and they said that we need 3 people in our building. Also, on the website it says we can try it for 30 days, right? Well we can called they said we can't. I just want to know that if we did get 3 people, would my speed be affected?
by 3 people they mean 3 different subscriber with an account each. Speed is not affected.
And do we all pay 33o bucks for the equipment or do we split the price each?
night download: everything you download during the night period is divided by 3. you download 3meg, you quota will only decrease by 1meg.
Halo wroteAnd do we all pay 33o bucks for the equipment or do we split the price each?
You pay what they ask you to pay :)
But anyway who told u 330 bucks? That is way above the standard price for a GDS connection.