Tech Guru wrote
AvoK95 wrote
NuclearVision wrotethank you!
I was considering the ryzen you suggested, I've been reeding online how amd are turning the tables now.
But in my younger years, I remember amd processors having issues in pcs and laptops alike with random issues.
I am no expert, but i feel like intel is more trustworthy.
There is absolutely no reason to buy an Intel CPU in 2021.

The 2600X has a higher IPC (Instructions Per Clockcycle - Can do more per GHz), and twice as many threads as the 9400F).

The only dominance Intel had was in the gaming section, which has been dominated recently by the new 5000 Series AMD CPUs.

Even Apple started making its own chips.

As for laptops, AMD laptops are cheaper, faster, run cooler, and have better battery life.


Don't be bias on CPU brands. If you go pick up a calculator, it doesn't matter if it's a Texas Instrument or a Casio, they both do the same calculations correctly.

Furthermore, you will not be focusing on gaming anyway, so buying the CPU that is better overall is much better, therefore I would go with the AMD option.


Regarding the Gigabyte board, the H310 is the cheapest chipset available for that 9th gen CPU, this is not necessarily a bad thing, you have to check the options you need and don't need compared to other chipsets and then decide on finer features between manufacturers and their product line using one of those chipsets.

https://i.imgur.com/VXXHvxU.png

Not at all

I9 10900k ~ 540 USD
R9 5950x ~ 800 USD

I9 10900k ~  14nm refined based on aging 2015 Skylake Architecture
R9 5950x ~ Refined 2nd Gen 7nm

I9 10900K  ~ Headroom to OC
R9 5950X ~ Limited Headroom to OC

Yet AMD "fanboys"  want to foam very hard as if intel is gone with the wind.

Apple to Apple (Without OC)

Hardwareunbox
Techpowerup

On Par , faster  or got beaten doesnot mean dethroned Intel .. Intel is dethroned when their is a wide disparity. 7nm + vs 14nm++++ with a "similar performnace"  is a pure shame for AMD.

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No one is talking about those components here and your comparison is invalid and also irrelevant to the topic at hand.

You are just plain wrong.

You also completely copy-pasted the exact same post you previously made and have proven wrong multiple times in multiple ways, please go seek your thirst for attention elsewhere and avoid adding confusion to an already complicated topic
NuclearVision wroteI am more confused than ever.
I can go i5-9400f for 150$.
i5-9600 for 250$ (needs cooler)
Found Ryzen 5 3600 for 230ish.
I think the 9400 may be underwhelming at 2.9ghz compaed to 3.6 ghz of the other 2.
I watched youtube videos, game seem to consume 20% less cpu power on the ryzen (it stays cooler too) compared to the i5 which have pretty similar performance (justifies notnspending 100$ more for 9600 although it has a builtin gpu).
I am reluctant to go with intel, as I read more, I have the impression that the 3600 will not be obsolete soon, these i5 are already from the past, I don't know the reasoning behind this, perhaps games will need more threads in the near future? Why does the ryzen have an edge in this category.
I am not building this to play ultra graphics games, I don't have the luxury of time to have such entertainment.
But since I am spending money anyway, I'd rather have something that stays 'uptodate' for the longest possible.

thanks guys, you are great friends.
The 9400F is a 6 Core 6 Thread CPU that only exists to compete with Ryzen chips in the gaming segment for a cheaper price.

The Ryzen 5 2600X and 3600 feature 6 Cores 12 Threads.

As I have mentioned before, Intel chips were better at gaming until Zen 3 came out.

But even older Zen 2 and Zen+ CPUs (being the 3600 and 2600X) are better CPUs overall that are much more capable.

It just makes no sense to go Intel in 2021.
NuclearVision wroteJust had a chat with pc and parts and Vat is at black market rate? They claim its a law.
why?
It's true, it was announced last week. Social media was going crazy about it.
NuclearVision wroteJust had a chat with pc and parts and Vat is at black market rate? They claim its a law.
why?
it's more like they have to use LBP for receipts at the market rate, and automatically this will make the VAT at market rate.
They can't do receipts in US dollars and count it as 1500lbp anymore.

for what it's worth, pc and parts was always charging vat in dollars not lbp on 1500 like other reputable shops.
VAT is meant to be 11% on the total amount of the invoice.

If your invoice was let's say $100 at a rate of 9000 and you're paying in LBP your total invoiced in LBP would be 9M.

If you take VAT at 1507.5 on that $100 in an LBP invoice, technically speaking that would be incorrect and illegal as you are not paying the full 11% of that 9M amount.

Your correct VAT amount in LBP would 990,000 and not 16,500.

The workaround was to bill everyone in USD as the governmental rate is still 1507.5 and get paid in LBP at the black market rate as an equivalent to being paid in cash USD and thus be able to receive the VAT payment in LBP.

The reseller has the right to choose which way to invoice the customer and of course, it might be related to the invoicing software they are using.

So in conclusion one can bill you in USD and have you pay VAT in 1507.5 or bill you in LBP and have you pay 11% on that LBP amount which will be equivel to the black market rate.
bullshit. PC and parts was always doing it since day 1, charging VAT at black market rate. Their prices are inflated as well, you're better off buying from someone else, I stopped buying from them after purchasing around 10k worth of equipment over the course of 5 years. They also charge shipping at black market rate...
honestly i feel not only their prices are inflated, their stock is old as well. And god help you if you want a gpu...

Any reputable shops I can talk to?
Thank you everyone?
They have good stock, and niche stuff that other shops don't have (saved my life a couple of times) but jesus, their bills became insane. Check out ezonelb, I rebuilt my PC from them 2 weeks ago after lightning strike, and the same parts with shipping and VAT ended up being a 100$ cheaper than pc and parts' bill
I will try it.
I found technodel.com they seem to have good prices as well.
Just make sure to ask about warranty and RMA before buying a GPU, I've had 2 unfortunate incidents where I had to RMA GPUs. PCandParts was really great about it.
RandomMemory wrotebullshit. PC and parts was always doing it since day 1, charging VAT at black market rate. Their prices are inflated as well, you're better off buying from someone else, I stopped buying from them after purchasing around 10k worth of equipment over the course of 5 years. They also charge shipping at black market rate...

That is pure theft indeed.

Assume a computer item costs 500 USD before 11% VAT
500 (1.11) = 555 USD
55 × Black Market Rate (Let us say 8000 LBP)
55 × 8000 = 440,000 LBP

What was declared previously to the MoF ,
55 × 1520 = 83,600 LBP

VAT Tax evasion = 440,000 - 83,600 = 356,400 LBP
Profit to PC&Parts and Loss to MoF

356,400 / 8000 ( converted back to USD) = 44.55 USD

This is on a single 500 USD item being sold , imagine on a monthly bases items turnover.

VAT Tax Evasion
Income Tax Evasion
NSSF contribution Tax Evasion
Customs fraudulant declaration

All combined created a deep hole in the Lebanese treasury for years.

PC&Parts is not alone , rather this theft is applicable to many electronic / computer shops here. As such , the last circular by MoF to report 11% VAT of products being sold in USD as LBP × the black market rate at the date of purchase. The repercussion here is deep loss on the end customer pocket. On one hand MoF will reduce tax evasion, but on the other hand , many shops will charge the VAT on the black market rate and not 1520 by listing their products purely in USD.
RandomMemory wrotebullshit. PC and parts was always doing it since day 1, charging VAT at black market rate. Their prices are inflated as well, you're better off buying from someone else, I stopped buying from them after purchasing around 10k worth of equipment over the course of 5 years. They also charge shipping at black market rate...
exactly what I said, they were my number 1 shop in lebanon for electronics, now I don't even think about buying from them
ezonelb is one of the best for pc parts, also mojitech has a very wide variety of stock for items not found elsewhere but his prices are a hit or miss.
nosense wroteezonelb is one of the best for pc parts, also mojitech has a very wide variety of stock for items not found elsewhere but his prices are a hit or miss.
If you haven't noticed is that Mojitech is a direct website mirror to pcandparts including prices. On top of that 60% of the items he posts online even though says In stock are out of stock and even never got them in the first place. A scummy way to get traffic to his website.

Proof:
https://pcandparts.com/pce-2400-va-raad-1200w/

https://mojitech.net/product/pce-ups-2400va-raad-1200w-lebanon/
i agree i quoted him like last week with many reminders and no reply.
bobo619 wrote
nosense wroteezonelb is one of the best for pc parts, also mojitech has a very wide variety of stock for items not found elsewhere but his prices are a hit or miss.
If you haven't noticed is that Mojitech is a direct website mirror to pcandparts including prices. On top of that 60% of the items he posts online even though says In stock are out of stock and even never got them in the first place. A scummy way to get traffic to his website.

Proof:
https://pcandparts.com/pce-2400-va-raad-1200w/

https://mojitech.net/product/pce-ups-2400va-raad-1200w-lebanon/
yes that’s why I said they’re a hit or miss, I find many items are extremely overpriced but then again it doesn’t hurt to check because I found them to have the best price multiple times, I once got a laptop from them for $2000 where it was $2100 everywhere else
ok just an update, so pcandparts refused to sell me the pc build for no reason, on my second email they said its because they're increasing prices....
not sure if its a gpu issue...
Ezonelb don't have the ryzen i'm looking for.
Pretty much a Dead end