Feedback for TH Global Vision (THGV)

Delacroix · 2019-07-15T08:25:27+00:00

Hello Guys, First time poster, long time lurker of this Forum. Has anyone tried THGV DSL plans? They seem to have different plans than most of their comp...

tmash2

ZER0 wroteHello, while I was scrolling through my feed on instagram I stumbled upon an ad for an ISP called thglobalvision. Their offers are too good to be true: 4MB unlimited for only 66 000, open speed 500gbs for 75 000 etc. Has anyone ever tried this ISP, if so would you recommend it?
Though I feel like they are too good to be true, super fast and super cheap for Lebanon.

I've had daily FUP with them. VDSL has additional charge unlike most ISPs.

ZER0

tmash2 wrote
ZER0 wroteHello, while I was scrolling through my feed on instagram I stumbled upon an ad for an ISP called thglobalvision. Their offers are too good to be true: 4MB unlimited for only 66 000, open speed 500gbs for 75 000 etc. Has anyone ever tried this ISP, if so would you recommend it?
Though I feel like they are too good to be true, super fast and super cheap for Lebanon.
I've had daily FUP with them. VDSL has additional charge unlike most ISPs.

The ideal package for me is open speed 300 gbs unlimited night traffic with gaming package for only 60 000. I mainly download torrents and play online and stream series. Like I said it's too good to be true, so is there any catch to it and would you recommend it?

tmash2

ZER0 wrote
tmash2 wrote
ZER0 wroteHello, while I was scrolling through my feed on instagram I stumbled upon an ad for an ISP called thglobalvision. Their offers are too good to be true: 4MB unlimited for only 66 000, open speed 500gbs for 75 000 etc. Has anyone ever tried this ISP, if so would you recommend it?
Though I feel like they are too good to be true, super fast and super cheap for Lebanon.
I've had daily FUP with them. VDSL has additional charge unlike most ISPs.
The ideal package for me is open speed 300 gbs unlimited night traffic with gaming package for only 60 000. I mainly download torrents and play online and stream series. Like I said it's too good to be true, so is there any catch to it and would you recommend it?

Good support, fake unlimited, the speed goes down daily when you exceed certain limit, stick to Ogero if you want unlimited, plus most of the DSL line issues are directed at Ogero.so you're gonna have to deal with them anyways.

ZER0

tmash2 wrote
ZER0 wrote
tmash2 wrote I've had daily FUP with them. VDSL has additional charge unlike most ISPs.
The ideal package for me is open speed 300 gbs unlimited night traffic with gaming package for only 60 000. I mainly download torrents and play online and stream series. Like I said it's too good to be true, so is there any catch to it and would you recommend it?
Good support, fake unlimited, the speed goes down daily when you exceed certain limit, stick to Ogero if you want unlimited, plus most of the DSL line issues are directed at Ogero.so you're gonna have to deal with them anyways.

So are the limited plans any good? And is there any catch to it because I feel like it's too cheap compared to other isps.

tmash2

ZER0 wrote
tmash2 wrote
ZER0 wrote The ideal package for me is open speed 300 gbs unlimited night traffic with gaming package for only 60 000. I mainly download torrents and play online and stream series. Like I said it's too good to be true, so is there any catch to it and would you recommend it?
Good support, fake unlimited, the speed goes down daily when you exceed certain limit, stick to Ogero if you want unlimited, plus most of the DSL line issues are directed at Ogero.so you're gonna have to deal with them anyways.
So are the limited plans any good? And is there any catch to it because I feel like it's too cheap compared to other isps.

I wouldn't mind the FUP if the budget is very low, can't have free lunch. Donno about other plans.

nuclearcat

Also hint, at THGV fup applied dynamically and fairly, if bandwidth are "full", unlike other ISPs where they have everything static, even they have lot of capacity free.
At lockdown, unfortunately, it plays a bit negative role as FUP is calculated from early morning, but still better than others, as its not 24h. It releases after school for a while and at night, on lower load.

ZER0

nuclearcat wroteAlso hint, at THGV fup applied dynamically and fairly, if bandwidth are "full", unlike other ISPs where they have everything static, even they have lot of capacity free.
At lockdown, unfortunately, it plays a bit negative role as FUP is calculated from early morning, but still better than others, as its not 24h. It releases after school for a while and at night, on lower load.

What about the limited plans? Ever tried them and are they any good? I know I keep saying this but it's too good to be true. I'm currently subscribed to sodetel with 150 gbs open speed and unlimited night traffic for 67 000. How is THGV selling a plan 300 gbs unlimited night traffic for 60 000? It sounds absurd! Why would we ever ever subscribe to other isps if they are this cheap? Hope it doesn't have a catch to it because I want to change isps and this deal is just perfect

tmash2

ZER0 wrote
nuclearcat wroteAlso hint, at THGV fup applied dynamically and fairly, if bandwidth are "full", unlike other ISPs where they have everything static, even they have lot of capacity free.
At lockdown, unfortunately, it plays a bit negative role as FUP is calculated from early morning, but still better than others, as its not 24h. It releases after school for a while and at night, on lower load.
What about the limited plans? Ever tried them and are they any good? I know I keep saying this but it's too good to be true. I'm currently subscribed to sodetel with 150 gbs open speed and unlimited night traffic for 67 000. How is THGV selling a plan 300 gbs unlimited night traffic for 60 000? It sounds absurd! Why would we ever ever subscribe to other isps if they are this cheap? Hope it doesn't have a catch to it because I want to change isps and this deal is just perfect

Please note that nuclearcat works/worked for THGV AFAIK unless I'm mistaken, no offense, it's good to know how FUP works, thanks.

nuclearcat

ZER0 wrote
nuclearcat wroteAlso hint, at THGV fup applied dynamically and fairly, if bandwidth are "full", unlike other ISPs where they have everything static, even they have lot of capacity free.
At lockdown, unfortunately, it plays a bit negative role as FUP is calculated from early morning, but still better than others, as its not 24h. It releases after school for a while and at night, on lower load.
What about the limited plans? Ever tried them and are they any good? I know I keep saying this but it's too good to be true. I'm currently subscribed to sodetel with 150 gbs open speed and unlimited night traffic for 67 000. How is THGV selling a plan 300 gbs unlimited night traffic for 60 000? It sounds absurd! Why would we ever ever subscribe to other isps if they are this cheap? Hope it doesn't have a catch to it because I want to change isps and this deal is just perfect

I have no idea. Yes, I do some of the tasks in THGV (as well as in some other operators), as freelancer, but i don't even have a clue about the final picture of settings or plans available, and i don't know exactly the current policies on restrictions, traffic, etc.
My guess is early sale discounts, owner want to have more DSL users.
And i didn’t mind, because people are funny, they think with clichés "ogero is better, because they are at source of internet in Lebanon", so i dont expect them will come en masse.
But THGV has enough some resources that it will give away for free or at a discount, such as many local offloading CDN servers, while others (including Ogero) will charge you money for each byte.

tmash2

nuclearcat wrote
ZER0 wrote
nuclearcat wroteAlso hint, at THGV fup applied dynamically and fairly, if bandwidth are "full", unlike other ISPs where they have everything static, even they have lot of capacity free.
At lockdown, unfortunately, it plays a bit negative role as FUP is calculated from early morning, but still better than others, as its not 24h. It releases after school for a while and at night, on lower load.
What about the limited plans? Ever tried them and are they any good? I know I keep saying this but it's too good to be true. I'm currently subscribed to sodetel with 150 gbs open speed and unlimited night traffic for 67 000. How is THGV selling a plan 300 gbs unlimited night traffic for 60 000? It sounds absurd! Why would we ever ever subscribe to other isps if they are this cheap? Hope it doesn't have a catch to it because I want to change isps and this deal is just perfect
I have no idea. Yes, I do some of the tasks in THGV (as well as in some other operators), as freelancer, but i don't even have a clue about the final picture of settings or plans available, and i don't know exactly the current policies on restrictions, traffic, etc.
My guess is early sale discounts, owner want to have more DSL users.
And i didn’t mind, because people are funny, they think with clichés "ogero is better, because they are at source of internet in Lebanon", so i dont expect them will come en masse.
But THGV has enough some resources that it will give away for free or at a discount, such as many local offloading CDN servers, while others (including Ogero) will charge you money for each byte.

Lower latency, real unlimited (over 1TB at 4Mbit unlm. plan) are not cliché. These are commonly shared findings from people and on this forum, not ISPs defamation attempts... 1mbit is not a real internet speed these days after exceeding 8GB per day from your dear company... YouTube and Netflix weren't offloaded either, only certain titles from Steam and few non encrypted sources (HTTP/FTP), not really a CDN, more like caching.
The unlimited plan seems to be useful for kids or when you can't control the traffic and the budget is very low, while still having a somewhat usable accessible internet.
Wish I didn't read this before I applied: https://lebgeeks.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=18817

nuclearcat

tmash2 wrote Lower latency, real unlimited (over 1TB at 4Mbit unlm. plan) are not cliché. These are commonly shared findings from people and on this forum, not ISPs defamation attempts... 1mbit is not a real internet speed these days after exceeding 8GB per day from your dear company... YouTube and Netflix weren't offloaded either, only certain titles from Steam and few non encrypted sources (HTTP/FTP), not really a CDN, more like caching.
The unlimited plan seems to be useful for kids or when you can't control the traffic and the budget is very low, while still having a somewhat usable accessible internet.
Wish I didn't read this before I applied: https://lebgeeks.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=18817

Latency might be lower, 5-15ms, this is factually correct, but for whom does it matter, besides nerds who spend half their lives playing dota and other shooters?

P.S. with Ogero you rely on the choice of their administrators, and if you are not satisfied with the latency/loss of specific backbone serving your NAT pool, you have not much choice. And sometimes it is downright crap, for example when they had problems with opentransit. YMMV.
THGV has gaming pool option, or tunneled traffic option, for more optimal routing and we provide customers with the opportunity to enable these tariff options. But i admit, on average Ogero latency is less, as i said in few ms, and less hassle to get this lower latency.
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4Mbit real unlimited. It's cool. But with a bunch of BUT.
1) Your upload is asymmetrical. Hello video conferencing, unless you do it alone.
2)1 Terabyte? Haha. With one caveat, while you are downloading this terabyte - you are suffering from a crappy Internet, since you have your funny 4Mbit congested. Ogero has no QoS, just a fifo on the DSLAM.
In addition, THGV has users who download hundreds of terabytes. Of course, they will not be able to download them at peak hours, since the cost of traffic for private operators is much higher, but we provide this opportunity at night (unlimited).

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Highlighted in bold is factually incorrect or blunt lie.
I am aware specifically about offloading on THGV, and I can say that THGV has one of the largest number(in Lebanon) of CDN nodes installed.
In order to talk about traffic offloaded or not, you need to have necessary experience on topic, otherwise you dishonor yourself with illiterate statements.
I am ready to provide evidence in a private chat, with an independent arbiter who understands this specific field after signing the NDA, but on the word that after providing conclusive evidence - you admit in forum publicly, that you draw conclusions without the necessary qualification to do so.
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Unlimited plan for kids?
Oh well. Tell that to all non-tech-savvy people(majority of users) and especially large families with a dozen devices, that on top of all the problems in Lebanon, they need to watch and count the traffic on every device and every family member, to not have crazy bills at next month or internet cut off early.
I remember a conference on investment in Lebanon several years ago, when an investor from England spoke and said - what the hell is the internet in Lebanon, in which you need to throw coins like an ancient telephone booth for the amount of Internet so that it continues to work. Service plans with traffic counting are an atavism. It might do in some cases with mobile internet, but its dead wrong for fixed plans.

tmash2

My own experience
Caution, take with a grain of salt.

I wasn't able to exceed 200GB per month incl. night downloads and that was usual Netflix and Youtube combo by 2 members in the house, throttled like shit every day, like you said never really reached 1TB on Ogero that was a hint what unlimited truly means, while I average 400-600GB now on Ogero 4MBit w/o slowdowns. (peaked 800GB)
Also, last time I had a problem with the line (due to rain) they directed me to Ogero anyways, Ogero's phone support is at least responsive from my experience, although useless but not neglectful, and not having to call all day is a plus. Another incident was due to an Ogero network issue when I called THGV support, they replied: "problem is with Ogero not us, wait 2 hours".

And no, there is a huge bufferbloat on downloads if that is what you mean by QoS? 2 thread download halted the internet as well not just latency. And yeah the additional latency is around 15ms, way more (25-40ish) during peak hours no-load, unlike Ogero which never changes in comparison (Ogero has bufferbloat issue too), although the packet loss is good on THGV compared to my old Terranet. "Nerds spend half their lives on shooters"? What? It affects many things, including VoIP and video chats, especially if it varies, plus I was answering ZER0 regarding gaming, this also affects casual games, even browser games! I play RL around 2 hours a week and that was unplayable due to variation and spikes.

"THGV has users who download hundreds of terabytes" ooookay, I wouldn't be able to do that on 300M Fiber back in UAE. You mean yearly? But you were talking monthly (Ogero) in a relative context. Or you phrased that wrong, sum of all users? Ogero is leaps ahead for sure as you mentioned in another post.

"1) Your upload is asymmetrical. Hello video conferencing, unless you do it alone." How's that related? How's THGV better in this regard? I got the same 1MBit upload, we're talking ADSL here. Plus your page says that 50/10mbit VDSL service is that symmetrical? Do you mean ADSL Annex M? I wasn't offered that either, but that's still (barely) asymmetric for 4mbit download 2-3 up no?
This was just my personal experience (and) as reported by multiple users on this forum, no offense intended, maybe it's just bad luck?

The last two paragraphs are pretty shocking and unexpected to be honest... I'm sorry that you took it the wrong way. I just didn't see any speed increase as you mentioned in the THGV feedback post, you mean deduct from plan usage? Either way I was on an unlimited 4MBit plan and that was just my experience and I didn't get any of that CDN boost as an end-user, not the only one to report that either though take it with a grain of salt. The boost acted like any local wireless ISP in the past, only unencrypted connections. THGV never mentioned CDN as a feature anywhere unless I'm mistaken.

Edit:"YouTube and Netflix weren't offloaded either, only certain titles from Steam and few non-encrypted sources (HTTP/FTP), not really a CDN, more like caching." My feedback as a user, I could be wrong about CDNs, but I'm not speaking on behalf of the company or saying "THGV does not use CDNs" Your feedback post explained what a CDN service offers with THGV and my conclusion came from not meeting the criteria you noted, and didn't get any of it's benefits, so I didn't get "CDN" as a feature, I got simple caching. Please enlighten us. YouTube or Netflix as well as other not very popular sites weren't offloaded speed-wise, and you mentioned that Content Delivery Networks offloads these...

"factually correct" based on what? I didn't mention any facts, and this is up to the end-user to report their experiences, they aren't facts either, they're feedback, usually, you analyze reports like any other user when applying for a service, especially in this country, I actually subscribed to the service due to your positive and well-versed input on the feedback page and thought I'd give it a try... Didn't work for me maybe it works for others! I'm not dishonoring myself by providing my feedback, never went against facts...

Mods should sticky that THGV Feedback post or move these, I hate to derail and clutter more.

Good talk!

nuclearcat

I will answer in https://lebgeeks.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=10030&p=232

nuclearcat

tmash2 wroteMy own experience
I wasn't able to exceed 200GB per month incl. night downloads and that was usual Netflix and Youtube combo by 2 members in the house, throttled like shit every day, like you said never really reached 1TB on Ogero that was a hint what unlimited truly means, while I average 400-600GB now on Ogero 4MBit w/o slowdowns. (peaked 800GB)

Most likely you tried to download at evening hours, then yes, no miracle can happen. At lockdown situation worse and sometimes FUP is enabled from morning, because of load from e-schooling.
If person is not capable to reschedule downloads at night by various reasons, then no doubt Ogero end-user service better in this matters.

tmash2 wrote Also, last time I had a problem with the line (due to rain) they directed me to Ogero anyways, Ogero's phone support is at least responsive from my experience, although useless but not neglectful, and not having to call all day is a plus. Another incident was due to an Ogero network issue when I called THGV support, they replied: "problem is with Ogero not us, wait 2 hours".

It depends where is bottleneck.
If you are congested by your own DSL line (bottleneck on DSLAM port), then yes. If you have decent DSL connection and your bottleneck is shaper from THGV side - then you can have QoS with fair queuing.
If your DSL line bad, i doubt you can have luck with any ISP over it. And as you had problems in rain, it seems wiring to your location is in very bad shape.

tmash2 wrote And no, there is a huge bufferbloat on downloads if that is what you mean by QoS? 2 thread download halted the internet as well not just latency. And yeah the additional latency is around 15ms, way more (25-40ish) during peak hours no-load, unlike Ogero which never changes in comparison (Ogero has bufferbloat issue too), although the packet loss is good on THGV compared to my old Terranet.

Bufferbloat cause in your case is very likely from DSL equipment. As Ogero is monopoly in this matters - its not fixable.

tmash2 wrote "Nerds spend half their lives on shooters"? What? It affects many things, including VoIP and video chats, especially if it varies, plus I was answering ZER0 regarding gaming, this also affects casual games, even browser games! I play RL around 2 hours a week and that was unplayable due to variation and spikes.

VoIP and conferencing works just fine up to (approx) 200ms latency.

tmash2 wrote "THGV has users who download hundreds of terabytes" ooookay, I wouldn't be able to do that on 300M Fiber back in UAE. You mean yearly? But you were talking monthly (Ogero) in a relative context. Or you phrased that wrong, sum of all users? Ogero is leaps ahead for sure as you mentioned in another post.

I'll tell you the alarming news - if you could not download hundreds of terabytes to UAE on 300Mbps, then the reason is not in the Internet connection / provider.

This is just random snip from 3 BRAS top user sessions, as i dont want to query billing data.
And yes, unfortunately lockdown numbers are way worse than i usually see. Even top users are in 5-10TB range, it was way more before lockdown.
Username, current session data, uptime

mahdiXXXX | 49.2 GiB | 11:38:05 | active
skynetXXXX | 47.8 GiB | 21:36:37 | active
nassXXXXX | 44.9 GiB | 16:37:45 | active
medlijXXX | 151.8 GiB | 1.14:12:25
thXXX | 2268.8 GiB | 24.01:15:38
mmXX | 96.0 GiB | 17:52:52
MAHX | 156.7 GiB | 2.15:31:52
netXXX | 155.8 GiB | 15:57:10

User reached 100TB was very unusual and it was while ago, he was clever dude with exceptionally good setup and didn't ever disconnected for whole month, and he found what content are cached locally and used night bypass 100Mbps every night (approx 8 hours of such bypass), doing about 300-330Gb every night, and tens of GB per day.
So on 300Mbit in UAE - 100TB+ should be piece of cake.

tmash2 wrote "1) Your upload is asymmetrical. Hello video conferencing, unless you do it alone." How's that related? How's THGV better in this regard? I got the same 1MBit upload, we're talking ADSL here. Plus your page says that 50/10mbit VDSL service is that symmetrical? Do you mean ADSL Annex M? I wasn't offered that either, but that's still (barely) asymmetric for 4mbit download 2-3 up no?
This was just my personal experience (and) as reported by multiple users on this forum, no offense intended, maybe it's just bad luck?

People disconnect from DSL and go to cable (THGV too), because they have 2+ children at home doing eschooling.
They dont need to worry also about draining their quota, because FUP still better than quota, especially in current economical situation.
As i recall THGV can offer VDSL and Fiber services too, where Ogero have them, at least i see such users online.

tmash2 wrote The last two paragraphs are pretty shocking and unexpected to be honest... I'm sorry that you took it the wrong way. I just didn't see any speed increase as you mentioned in the THGV feedback post, you mean deduct from plan usage? Either way I was on an unlimited 4MBit plan and that was just my experience and I didn't get any of that CDN boost as an end-user, not the only one to report that either though take it with a grain of salt. The boost acted like any local wireless ISP in the past, only unencrypted connections. THGV never mentioned CDN as a feature anywhere unless I'm mistaken.

I did personally system that bypass IPTV and Netflix(locally cached) traffic from quota (it wont count in unlimited FUP too). There is some other classes added, that i cannot disclose, mostly to protect economically disadvantaged groups of people using this type of content for non-entertainment purposes, so they wont be hurt by FUP or quota.
THGV have several racks of CDN servers from various providers, all of them is encrypted and it is not typical proxy caching, they are also offered on higher speed than usual, international traffic. Unfortunately if your DSL speed is very low, most likely you wont notice that, because your bottleneck is Ogero DSL link.
Unencrypted proxy present too, but traffic through them is negligible, comparing with CDN.

tmash2 wrote Edit:"YouTube and Netflix weren't offloaded either, only certain titles from Steam and few non-encrypted sources (HTTP/FTP), not really a CDN, more like caching." My feedback as a user, I could be wrong about CDNs, but I'm not speaking on behalf of the company or saying "THGV does not use CDNs" Your feedback post explained what a CDN service offers with THGV and my conclusion came from not meeting the criteria you noted, and didn't get any of it's benefits, so I didn't get "CDN" as a feature, I got simple caching. Please enlighten us. YouTube or Netflix as well as other not very popular sites weren't offloaded speed-wise, and you mentioned that Content Delivery Networks offloads these...

Google content, Facebook, Netflix, several CDN providers, mostly used for heavy content (for example Steam, Sony playstation use them) - are locally hosted in Lebanon. THGV is not exclusive in that, Ogero, IDM, Terranet have some of them too, but most of ISP deliver within your account speed and wont make any discount. On THGV i have for example at this moment set bypass Netflix 50Mbps+ for titles that are cached locally in Lebanon, on local node. And as i said before Netflix is not counted in quota, but it is not announced officially, because it is hard to predict what is cached and what is not.

tmash2 wrote "factually correct" based on what? I didn't mention any facts, and this is up to the end-user to report their experiences, they aren't facts either, they're feedback, usually, you analyze reports like any other user when applying for a service, especially in this country, I actually subscribed to the service due to your positive and well-versed input on the feedback page and thought I'd give it a try... Didn't work for me maybe it works for others! I'm not dishonoring myself by providing my feedback, never went against facts...

When you say that this is just "caching unencrypted traffic", you are putting your geek reputation on the line.
What your claims you based on? Tactile sensations, or did you do some more or less technical research on traffic sources and speeds?
Moreover, judging by the above, your problem with speed is mainly not in the provider, but in the speed of the DSL line, making such research just impossible.

tmash2

1-This was during pre-COVID and post-COVID till 2 months ago. 8GB/day all the time. Casual browsing and YouTube.

2-My ADSL line synced at 20Mbit and the rain issue was due to an open cover, I'm close to central, all CAT6 shielded never had issues. It was pretty clear that I was replying to your support comment.

3-You said THGV doesn't have bufferbloat and there is QoS, now you're saying the opposite? and it's Ogero's fault? Again this was an ADSL topic.

4-I didn't say high latency affects VoIP and conferencing, it was the variation (jumpy in less than a second 60-100-60-100) never had this problem with Ogero or Terranet. Once the variation stopped, freezing frames in video calls stopped.

5-It takes at least 3 months to download 100TB with 100MBps, this all sounds fishy to me, and pretty sure others on this forum. And you're showing a table that seems unrelated.

6-That is offtopic, ZER0 was applying for ADSL and we were talking about ADSL. You said that Ogero DSL is asymmetrical, but THGV is not, and now you're talking about cable?

7-For the last 2 paragraphs check number 2. I didn't claim anything, as said 3 times in the previous posts these are my experience and results, I could be very wrong, but the results did not deliver any. I mentioned "more like" which = speculation; goes without saying. As said in the previous post, never mentioned that "THGV doesn't use CDN" <-- that is a claim.
Care to mention what the CDN covers in this case? Since this is contradicting your old posts.

Downloading from HTTP sites such as Ubuntu was close to line speed ~19mbit, HTTPS did not, neither Youtube or others like I mentioned, I just looked up Steam and it also uses HTTP. I was talking about speed boosts like in the past 2 posts not how CDNs work. "Unencrypted proxy present too, but traffic through them is negligible" this confirms my experience.

This last paragraph doesn't make any sense. "this is just "caching unencrypted traffic"" I never said that, original quote:
"I didn't get any of that CDN boost as an end-user, not the only one to report that either though take it with a grain of salt. The boost acted like any local wireless ISP in the past, only unencrypted connections."

nuclearcat

tmash2 wrote 1-This was during pre-COVID and post-COVID till 2 months ago.
2-My ADSL line synced at 20Mbit and the rain issue was due to an open cover, I'm close to central, all CAT6 shielded never had issues.
3-You said THGV doesn't have bufferbloat and there is QoS, now you're saying the opposite? and it's Ogero's fault? Again this was an ADSL topic.
4-I didn't say high latency affects VoIP and conferencing, it was the variation (jumpy in less than a second 60-100-60-100) never had this problem with Ogero or Terranet. Once the variation stopped, freezing frames in video calls stopped.
5-It takes at least 3 months to download 100TB with 100MBps, this all sounds fishy to me, and pretty sure others on this forum. And you're showing a table that seems unrelated.
6-That is offtopic, ZER0 was applying for ADSL and we were talking about ADSL.
7-For the last 2 paragraphs check number 2. I didn't claim anything, as said 3 times in the previous posts these are my experience and results, I mentioned "more like" which = speculation; goes without saying.

3 - THGV at it's side dont have, but if you are hitting DSLAM port limit - it is not related to THGV.
4 - Jitter might cause issues indeed, there was moments when eschooling started and when Ogero has issues on backbone, at that time THGV suffered for several days. Eschooling caused jitter issues from 9am to approx 2pm until i rebalanced the load.
Before there was rare events of DDoS attacks or Ogero backbone issues, but usually they dont last longer than few hours.

5 - I am showing table of daily users traffic.
Actually i start to wonder if i had some bug in math, or there was some overflow in billing, because you are right, its impossible to do such amount of traffic on 8hours/100Mbit. I did typed Gbit instead of Mbit several times, or billing miscounted him.
And even i found moments in git when i set 100Gbps in shaper instead of 100mbit, physical media to all known users is max 1Gbit/s and for GPON users it is 10Gbit ports.
While user said he does crazy amounts of downloads, it should not be such number. Unfortunately i cannot review detailed stats, as it was several month ago.
6 - it is not offtopic, it is to have understanding about situation in general

Real monthly numbers, today, of top users is like this:

This is without IPTV/Netflix bypass and without "night unlimited".

tmash2

I am completely lost at this point, good luck buddy!
Moving to Ogero fixed all my issues for me, had been suffering for years. Yet we reached the same conclusion to your false argument regarding "Ogero is better" being a cliche.
E: Not talking about the 100TB thing of course, it's way more ;)

nuclearcat

Ok, to be more simple, user with 100TB+ traffic unlikely true. More likely it was a bug in billing which I did not notice.
And i had to notice, as i remember 24h download on 1Mbit is 316GB/month.
Sorry for confusion on this point.

tmash2

I'm pretty sure that anyone reading your responses would be flabbergasted by the contradiction. I am also sure now that rules are not applied to everyone here, especially rule #3. You twisted many words as well.
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but for whom does it matter, besides nerds who spend half their lives playing dota and other shooters?

since you have your funny 4Mbit congested

Highlighted in bold is factually incorrect or blunt lie.

otherwise you dishonor yourself with illiterate statements.

When you say that this is just "caching unencrypted traffic", you are putting your geek reputation on the line.
What your claims you based on? Tactile sensations, or did you do some more or less technical research on traffic sources and speeds?

I'll tell you the alarming news - if you could not download hundreds of terabytes to UAE on 300Mbps, then the reason is not in the Internet connection / provider.

Enough said and sarcasm. I would delete these if I had a bit of respect for myself. I responded lately to these to let people see how dishonest your company is and not fall in the same trap. You also changed one of my quotes regarding the CDN! Are you going after every customer criticizing your company and calling them liars and demanding qualifications before posting a feedback? AFAIK this forum is for consumers not corporates and company representatives. Reminds me of NBR forum which is famous for this issue (for ODMs).

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tmash2 wroteI'm pretty sure that anyone reading your responses would be flabbergasted. I am also sure now that rules are not applied to everyone here, especially rule #3. You twisted many words as well.
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but for whom does it matter, besides nerds who spend half their lives playing dota and other shooters?

since you have your funny 4Mbit congested

Highlighted in bold is factually incorrect or blunt lie.

otherwise you dishonor yourself with illiterate statements.

When you say that this is just "caching unencrypted traffic", you are putting your geek reputation on the line.
What your claims you based on? Tactile sensations, or did you do some more or less technical research on traffic sources and speeds?
Enough said. I would delete these if I had a bit of respect for myself. I responded lately to these to let people see how dishonest your company is and not fall in the same trap. You also changed one of my quotes regarding the CDN! Are you going after every customer slightly criticizing your company and calling them liars and demanding qualifications before posting a feedback?

QoS rules applies to all users.
Anybody at TH with decent physical connection (VDSL or GPON) can test by himself, put several downloads and watch title that is cached on local Netflix CDN node. You wont experience any buffering, because of QoS, this is one of easiest examples.

Where did i changed anything you said about CDN? This is your own words:

YouTube and Netflix weren't offloaded either, only certain titles from Steam and few non encrypted sources (HTTP/FTP), not really a CDN, more like caching.

And this is total bullshit and lie.
Because both are offloaded to local CDN nodes.
And i repeat, as i said before, you either deliberately lied or are not qualified to discuss on this topic (CDN and caching). I think it is second.
There is multiple methods to verify that, from checking traffic by sniffer while watching youtube/netflix, to checking hostnames owned by netflix/google resolving to THGV ips. These methods are known by anyone who has minimal knowledge of networking.

P.S. Yes i screwed up on hundreds of terabytes on 300Mbps and it shameful for me. You can get only theoretical maximum 94.8TB. Sucks that i skipped to do math before making statement.

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