Tech Guru wrote
djunited wroteguess ill try his setting too. i dont think he uses hdr settings anymore he has recent settings for the x930e he talks about it while playing injustice 2. question if for example there is a scene in a movie with sunrys through a forest. if i am viewing in sdr will the raysbe of higher brightness than the rest of the scene or does this occur only in hdr mode? or maybe not related if its in sdr or hdr since this is the tv that controls the brightness of objects in the scene? what about the motion issues that he describes concerning the 930? he even says the 900ehas better motion even though it has an inferior processor.

When you switch to HDR mode through a HDR movie source outputting a 10 bit HDR signal the TV Brightness on high lights will automatically cross 1000 nits and on shadows local dimming will sure the contrast and black levels are at most 0.05 nits. Slso, wide color gamut coverage will be initiated. The result is a more life-like image compared to SDR. Also in HDR 10 / Dolby Vision source mode, the content metadata plays a role , since the content has HDR metadata that the TV knows which scene highlights needs illumination and the level of illumination and which scene needs a certain level of contrast to be lowered for real blacks. In SDR nothing is happening , brightness is set across all the screen and contrast too with the same level @ a regular color gamut with an 8bit color depth and combinations. 256 values between 0% and 100% luminescence is not nearly enough when expanding the total dynamic range of luminescence – or brightness – that we want to faithfully record, or even deliver in the end to a HDR-capable display.By adding an additional two bits of data to each channel, we quadruple the total number of values per channel to 1024, which means we can now assign levels 0 – 1023. This results in the ability to record a higher overall range of luminescence values, or contrast ratio (dynamic range), and a wider color gamut.

Motion is "eye-sensitive", on a technical side the x930e beats the x900e in motion


https://www.rtings.com/tv/tools/compare/sony-x900e-vs-sony-x930e/418/419

I go with technical reviews , not with objective sense oriented ones.

The x930e beats the X900e in all categories , even it beats the x900f

Sony XF90 (X900F) vs XE93 (X930E) vs XE90 (X900E) - HDTV Test
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0GzpKxakZM&t=23s


Dolby Vision Firmware Update vs HDR10 on 1400-Nit Sony HDR TV - HDTV Test
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzrwvJsLIho&t=15s

https://youtu.be/f3MVEGr_hgw

https://youtu.be/i0XFQWLSUFM

im wondering if he has the 8bit panel because he mentions when he switches to hdr that he only sees paler colors not more colors.

so sdr content will have a uniformely lit screen where local dimming is not activated and highlights do not cross 1000 nits? i read somewhere sdr bluray movies are upscaled to 4k and some sort of hdr is implemented as well to mimic real hdr.

if there i a link of the settings you are currently using please send it. any issues with your panel? the tv is getting installed on september 11 so i wanna make sure before i sign off on everything that my panel is ok. would love to get some pointers from you and if possible maybe download a series of tests on a usb drive to test the tv.
djunited wrote
Tech Guru wrote
djunited wroteguess ill try his setting too. i dont think he uses hdr settings anymore he has recent settings for the x930e he talks about it while playing injustice 2. question if for example there is a scene in a movie with sunrys through a forest. if i am viewing in sdr will the raysbe of higher brightness than the rest of the scene or does this occur only in hdr mode? or maybe not related if its in sdr or hdr since this is the tv that controls the brightness of objects in the scene? what about the motion issues that he describes concerning the 930? he even says the 900ehas better motion even though it has an inferior processor.

When you switch to HDR mode through a HDR movie source outputting a 10 bit HDR signal the TV Brightness on high lights will automatically cross 1000 nits and on shadows local dimming will sure the contrast and black levels are at most 0.05 nits. Slso, wide color gamut coverage will be initiated. The result is a more life-like image compared to SDR. Also in HDR 10 / Dolby Vision source mode, the content metadata plays a role , since the content has HDR metadata that the TV knows which scene highlights needs illumination and the level of illumination and which scene needs a certain level of contrast to be lowered for real blacks. In SDR nothing is happening , brightness is set across all the screen and contrast too with the same level @ a regular color gamut with an 8bit color depth and combinations. 256 values between 0% and 100% luminescence is not nearly enough when expanding the total dynamic range of luminescence – or brightness – that we want to faithfully record, or even deliver in the end to a HDR-capable display.By adding an additional two bits of data to each channel, we quadruple the total number of values per channel to 1024, which means we can now assign levels 0 – 1023. This results in the ability to record a higher overall range of luminescence values, or contrast ratio (dynamic range), and a wider color gamut.

Motion is "eye-sensitive", on a technical side the x930e beats the x900e in motion


https://www.rtings.com/tv/tools/compare/sony-x900e-vs-sony-x930e/418/419

I go with technical reviews , not with objective sense oriented ones.

The x930e beats the X900e in all categories , even it beats the x900f

Sony XF90 (X900F) vs XE93 (X930E) vs XE90 (X900E) - HDTV Test
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0GzpKxakZM&t=23s


Dolby Vision Firmware Update vs HDR10 on 1400-Nit Sony HDR TV - HDTV Test
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzrwvJsLIho&t=15s

https://youtu.be/f3MVEGr_hgw

https://youtu.be/i0XFQWLSUFM

im wondering if he has the 8bit panel because he mentions when he switches to hdr that he only sees paler colors not more colors.

so sdr content will have a uniformely lit screen where local dimming is not activated and highlights do not cross 1000 nits? i read somewhere sdr bluray movies are upscaled to 4k and some sort of hdr is implemented as well to mimic real hdr.

if there i a link of the settings you are currently using please send it. any issues with your panel? the tv is getting installed on september 11 so i wanna make sure before i sign off on everything that my panel is ok. would love to get some pointers from you and if possible maybe download a series of tests on a usb drive to test the tv.
This person contradicts himself , some times he praises HDR and sometimes you find him he downshort HDR.

Let me tell you

BF1 (Tested Dolby Vision too from the PC Output)
Injustice 2
God of War
Final Fantasy 15
Horizon Zero Dawn
Call of Duty : World War 2
Forza Horizon 7
AC Origins
Resident Evil 7


Looks phenomenal on the X930e in HDR Mode , waiting for more games that will be released soon that will have HDR like Spider Man , BF World War 2 .. More and more games / movies are riding the wagon of HDR.


For proper Blue Ray on this TV you need a native 2160p blue ray reader and a native 2160p HDR movies as such no upscaling will happen and proper HDR 10 meta data will be sent , no fake HDR mimicks. 1080p Blue Ray movies with a fullhd blueray receiver are not HDR and upscaling will take place. Usually all HDR ones are 2160p only.

As for your panel concern tell them where is the TV manufactured it , stay away from: Taiwan/Philippians/China - most probably they will be UC1 with an 8bit + FRC panel not the real 10bit panel of the x930e.
Tech Guru wrote
djunited wrote
Tech Guru wrote

When you switch to HDR mode through a HDR movie source outputting a 10 bit HDR signal the TV Brightness on high lights will automatically cross 1000 nits and on shadows local dimming will sure the contrast and black levels are at most 0.05 nits. Slso, wide color gamut coverage will be initiated. The result is a more life-like image compared to SDR. Also in HDR 10 / Dolby Vision source mode, the content metadata plays a role , since the content has HDR metadata that the TV knows which scene highlights needs illumination and the level of illumination and which scene needs a certain level of contrast to be lowered for real blacks. In SDR nothing is happening , brightness is set across all the screen and contrast too with the same level @ a regular color gamut with an 8bit color depth and combinations. 256 values between 0% and 100% luminescence is not nearly enough when expanding the total dynamic range of luminescence – or brightness – that we want to faithfully record, or even deliver in the end to a HDR-capable display.By adding an additional two bits of data to each channel, we quadruple the total number of values per channel to 1024, which means we can now assign levels 0 – 1023. This results in the ability to record a higher overall range of luminescence values, or contrast ratio (dynamic range), and a wider color gamut.

Motion is "eye-sensitive", on a technical side the x930e beats the x900e in motion


https://www.rtings.com/tv/tools/compare/sony-x900e-vs-sony-x930e/418/419

I go with technical reviews , not with objective sense oriented ones.

The x930e beats the X900e in all categories , even it beats the x900f

Sony XF90 (X900F) vs XE93 (X930E) vs XE90 (X900E) - HDTV Test
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0GzpKxakZM&t=23s


Dolby Vision Firmware Update vs HDR10 on 1400-Nit Sony HDR TV - HDTV Test
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzrwvJsLIho&t=15s

https://youtu.be/f3MVEGr_hgw

https://youtu.be/i0XFQWLSUFM

im wondering if he has the 8bit panel because he mentions when he switches to hdr that he only sees paler colors not more colors.

so sdr content will have a uniformely lit screen where local dimming is not activated and highlights do not cross 1000 nits? i read somewhere sdr bluray movies are upscaled to 4k and some sort of hdr is implemented as well to mimic real hdr.

if there i a link of the settings you are currently using please send it. any issues with your panel? the tv is getting installed on september 11 so i wanna make sure before i sign off on everything that my panel is ok. would love to get some pointers from you and if possible maybe download a series of tests on a usb drive to test the tv.
This person contradicts himself , some times he praises HDR and sometimes you find him he downshort HDR.

Let me tell you

BF1 (Tested Dolby Vision too from the PC Output)
Injustice 2
God of War
Final Fantasy 15
Horizon Zero Dawn
Call of Duty : World War 2
Forza Horizon 7
AC Origins
Resident Evil 7


Looks phenomenal on the X930e in HDR Mode , waiting for more games that will be released soon that will have HDR like Spider Man , BF World War 2 .. More and more games / movies are riding the wagon of HDR.


For proper Blue Ray on this TV you need a native 2160p blue ray reader and a native 2160p HDR movies as such no upscaling will happen and proper HDR 10 meta data will be sent , no fake HDR mimicks. 1080p Blue Ray movies with a fullhd blueray receiver are not HDR and upscaling will take place. Usually all HDR ones are 2160p only.

As for your panel concern tell them where is the TV manufactured it , stay away from: Taiwan/Philippians/China - most probably they will be UC1 with an 8bit + FRC panel not the real 10bit panel of the x930e.
i already purchased the sony bdv n9200 home theatre and it comes with a 1080p bluray player so im not gonna invest in a 4k bluray especially with fiber coming i'd prefer streaming. I'm just sick of cds and the space they require. i realize streaming quality will be inferior but still much rather prefer it.

as for the panel, is it possible they get both panels? did you specificaly ask for your panel to be uc2?

also what device do you use for streaming?
just called tony at abed tahan and he confirmed it's malaysian made based on the item name in the item code description on the invoice. anyway once i receive it i'll double check the box. are the panels usually defect free if made in malaysia? anything to look out for?

where will you buy your 4k bluray movies? many reviewers are saying its not worth it and just slightly better than 1080p upscaled.
djunited wrote
Tech Guru wrote
djunited wrote

https://youtu.be/f3MVEGr_hgw

https://youtu.be/i0XFQWLSUFM

im wondering if he has the 8bit panel because he mentions when he switches to hdr that he only sees paler colors not more colors.

so sdr content will have a uniformely lit screen where local dimming is not activated and highlights do not cross 1000 nits? i read somewhere sdr bluray movies are upscaled to 4k and some sort of hdr is implemented as well to mimic real hdr.

if there i a link of the settings you are currently using please send it. any issues with your panel? the tv is getting installed on september 11 so i wanna make sure before i sign off on everything that my panel is ok. would love to get some pointers from you and if possible maybe download a series of tests on a usb drive to test the tv.
This person contradicts himself , some times he praises HDR and sometimes you find him he downshort HDR.

Let me tell you

BF1 (Tested Dolby Vision too from the PC Output)
Injustice 2
God of War
Final Fantasy 15
Horizon Zero Dawn
Call of Duty : World War 2
Forza Horizon 7
AC Origins
Resident Evil 7


Looks phenomenal on the X930e in HDR Mode , waiting for more games that will be released soon that will have HDR like Spider Man , BF World War 2 .. More and more games / movies are riding the wagon of HDR.


For proper Blue Ray on this TV you need a native 2160p blue ray reader and a native 2160p HDR movies as such no upscaling will happen and proper HDR 10 meta data will be sent , no fake HDR mimicks. 1080p Blue Ray movies with a fullhd blueray receiver are not HDR and upscaling will take place. Usually all HDR ones are 2160p only.

As for your panel concern tell them where is the TV manufactured it , stay away from: Taiwan/Philippians/China - most probably they will be UC1 with an 8bit + FRC panel not the real 10bit panel of the x930e.
i already purchased the sony bdv n9200 home theatre and it comes with a 1080p bluray player so im not gonna invest in a 4k bluray especially with fiber coming i'd prefer streaming. I'm just sick of cds and the space they require. i realize streaming quality will be inferior but still much rather prefer it.

as for the panel, is it possible they get both panels? did you specificaly ask for your panel to be uc2?

also what device do you use for streaming?

For 1080p blueray it passes yes but with an upscaled image and no HDR.

For streaming I already have FTTH - Rass Beirut Area , thus I stream directly from NetFlix @ 2160p @ 50+ Mbps , You Usually need 12 Mbps + for a Steady 2160p stream. Some Netflix movies are 2160p HDR 10 or Dolby Vision too.


Along Side I have a:


Bein 2160p Receiver

UBP-X700 4k Blue Ray With Dolby Vision Support

Sony HT-Z9F Dolby Atmos Sound Bar

As for the Panel , didnot as the Showroom , just asked for the Manufacturing country. When they told me Malaysia , I work as a freelance trade consultant with the Malaysian Embassy in Beirut. Contacted Sony Malaysia and ask them directly.
Tech Guru wrote
djunited wrote
Tech Guru wrote
This person contradicts himself , some times he praises HDR and sometimes you find him he downshort HDR.

Let me tell you

BF1 (Tested Dolby Vision too from the PC Output)
Injustice 2
God of War
Final Fantasy 15
Horizon Zero Dawn
Call of Duty : World War 2
Forza Horizon 7
AC Origins
Resident Evil 7


Looks phenomenal on the X930e in HDR Mode , waiting for more games that will be released soon that will have HDR like Spider Man , BF World War 2 .. More and more games / movies are riding the wagon of HDR.


For proper Blue Ray on this TV you need a native 2160p blue ray reader and a native 2160p HDR movies as such no upscaling will happen and proper HDR 10 meta data will be sent , no fake HDR mimicks. 1080p Blue Ray movies with a fullhd blueray receiver are not HDR and upscaling will take place. Usually all HDR ones are 2160p only.

As for your panel concern tell them where is the TV manufactured it , stay away from: Taiwan/Philippians/China - most probably they will be UC1 with an 8bit + FRC panel not the real 10bit panel of the x930e.
i already purchased the sony bdv n9200 home theatre and it comes with a 1080p bluray player so im not gonna invest in a 4k bluray especially with fiber coming i'd prefer streaming. I'm just sick of cds and the space they require. i realize streaming quality will be inferior but still much rather prefer it.

as for the panel, is it possible they get both panels? did you specificaly ask for your panel to be uc2?

also what device do you use for streaming?

For 1080p blueray it passes yes but with an upscaled image and no HDR.

For streaming I already have FTTH - Rass Beirut Area , thus I stream directly from NetFlix @ 2160p @ 50+ Mbps , You Usually need 12 Mbps + for a Steady 2160p stream. Some Netflix movies are 2160p HDR 10 or Dolby Vision too.


Along Side I have a:


Bein 2160p Receiver

UBP-X700 4k Blue Ray With Dolby Vision Support

Sony HT-Z9F Dolby Atmos Sound Bar

As for the Panel , didnot as the Showroom , just asked for the Manufacturing country. When they told me Malaysia , I work as a freelance trade consultant with the Malaysian Embassy in Beirut. Contacted Sony Malaysia and ask them directly.
I live in achrafieh area but my lines related CO is badaro so Adlieh area. i wonder when my area will get FTTC. how much bandwidth are you consuming with 4k netflix per hour? by straming directly from netflix you mean you use the tv built in app or ps4 or apple tv4k?

also what do you think of the bdvn9200 that abed tahan have as an overall unit?

im hoping they will install vdsl soon and fix the problem with the underground lines and they say i should be able to reach speed of 32mbps but the 200gb quota remains a big problem.
21 days later
received the 930e in 65". what a monstrous tv. ran all the test. saw no gray banding. some color uniformity issues around the edges and bottom but no big deal from lcd tech for a screen that size. have some slight clouding around the edges on max brightness and local dimming off just to test for clouding. should i update the firmware or are the latest from sony buggy?
Anyone bought from Kintaro?
I wonder how good is the service with them
do you normally change picture settings from the tv only? because this home theater system has display functionality that can change picture settings as well. should i just leave that alone and adjust from tv only?
djunited wrotedo you normally change picture settings from the tv only? because this home theater system has display functionality that can change picture settings as well. should i just leave that alone and adjust from tv only?
New Update just rolled out that fixed the motion on the X930E :), not OTC yet for Middle East but I downloaded it through a USB over the Australian Sony website .
Tech Guru wrote
djunited wrotedo you normally change picture settings from the tv only? because this home theater system has display functionality that can change picture settings as well. should i just leave that alone and adjust from tv only?
New Update just rolled out that fixed the motion on the X930E :), not OTC yet for Middle East but I downloaded it through a USB over the Australian Sony website .

should i update to the latest? check out quantum apotheosis latest 2 vids about the update. what do you think?
djunited wrote
Tech Guru wrote
djunited wrotedo you normally change picture settings from the tv only? because this home theater system has display functionality that can change picture settings as well. should i just leave that alone and adjust from tv only?
New Update just rolled out that fixed the motion on the X930E :), not OTC yet for Middle East but I downloaded it through a USB over the Australian Sony website .

should i update to the latest? check out quantum apotheosis latest 2 vids about the update. what do you think?
Updated , nothing worse happened as quantum apotheosis set badly affected, if you look at the comments many have updated too with no issues and flickering at all. Motion now is top-notch , did not explore the feature yet thoroughly but I will. So far so good.
Tech Guru wrote
djunited wrote
Tech Guru wrote
New Update just rolled out that fixed the motion on the X930E :), not OTC yet for Middle East but I downloaded it through a USB over the Australian Sony website .

should i update to the latest? check out quantum apotheosis latest 2 vids about the update. what do you think?
Updated , nothing worse happened as quantum apotheosis set badly affected, if you look at the comments many have updated too with no issues and flickering at all. Motion now is top-notch , did not explore the feature yet thoroughly but I will. So far so good.

thats great. i agree with you and apotheosis the x930e prior to this update has obvious motion issues. so do you think i should update? did you see an increase in brightness as well. let me know your feedback. also please share your settings if possible for best image quality. as for my home theater i did not receive the sony calibration mic and i was wondering if i could find help to calibrate the different speakers manually for best sound quality (set distance from speaker db levels crossover frequency etc...
djunited wrote
Tech Guru wrote
djunited wrote

should i update to the latest? check out quantum apotheosis latest 2 vids about the update. what do you think?
Updated , nothing worse happened as quantum apotheosis set badly affected, if you look at the comments many have updated too with no issues and flickering at all. Motion now is top-notch , did not explore the feature yet thoroughly but I will. So far so good.

thats great. i agree with you and apotheosis the x930e prior to this update has obvious motion issues. so do you think i should update? did you see an increase in brightness as well. let me know your feedback. also please share your settings if possible for best image quality. as for my home theater i did not receive the sony calibration mic and i was wondering if i could find help to calibrate the different speakers manually for best sound quality (set distance from speaker db levels crossover frequency etc...
Mate this update is about ~ 1.7 GB but zipped , it took~ 20 min for be installed with several reboots. Motion is relative I did not find the X930e that terrible in motion ,apotheosis to fix the issue used Smoothness set to max ( frame interpolation feature that makes this smooth but increases input lag) and setting CineMotion to High , I usually use the cinemotion set high without setting smoothness since increase input lag.

With this updade they improved motion yes ( it least on what i felt although this is an objective thing depending on your eyes sensitivity to motion) , brightness I did not detect any change since this TV has a peak real scene SDR / HDR brightness crossing 1000 nits tipping 1400nits in real scene HDR sustained brightness. Very high to detect any changes on 100 % window. This update is reduced some sluggishness when moving in the menu. Still i need to test if youtube HDR is being detected automatically.

For the HDR /SDR Setting I followed apotheosis for using Cinemapro for HDR and standard for SDR , amd tweaking the in setting of each preset. I usually switch to SDR for SDR gaming / content and Cinemapro for HDR gaming / content. He has two comprehensive videos about the two on his channel , he nailed that in this calibration.
5 days later
still undecided concerning the update. watching vids from quantum , durty and whisper status to see where it goes. so far so good on your set?
djunited wrotestill undecided concerning the update. watching vids from quantum , durty and whisper status to see where it goes. so far so good on your set?

Yes mate perfect ,quantum nags a lot frankly and may be his tvs has issues prior the update
Tech Guru wrote
djunited wrotestill undecided concerning the update. watching vids from quantum , durty and whisper status to see where it goes. so far so good on your set?

Yes mate petfect ,quantum nags a lot frankly and may be his tvs has issues prior the update

alright man. so i got the apple tv 4k as well for streaming instead of using slow android os on tv and im wondering if updating the x930e firwmware which adds dolby vision will further enhance streaming dolby vision comtent from the apple tv 4k with the recently added dv. or is it that since the streamingdevice is the apple tv the x930es dv will not matter?