You need at least a Kaby Lake CPU (7th generation) or Nvidia's GeForce GT(X) 10 series to stream Netflix at 4K due to DRM. That's for PC. Not sure about Android devices or Smart TVs. Doesn't your TV have a Netflix app?AVOlio wroteSo I got an HDR capable screen, and a 4k Netflix account.
My pc specs are a sandy bridge cpu and a gtx 980.
My question is how can I use Netflix to stream HDR content on the screen?
Will chromecast ultra work, or will it still be limited by my cpu and gpu?
New TV Set - Sony x930e 4K HDR
Its not a TV, its a projector, with HDR support.
I am aware of the requirements, and my specs aren't HDR ready.
Which is why i'm asking for help, how can i do it?
Will chromecast work? I dont know how chromecast works, i need to hook it up to the projector, and to the pc? and if i hook it to the pc wont it still not let me stream HDR because of the specs?
but basically, looking for a solution.
I am aware of the requirements, and my specs aren't HDR ready.
Which is why i'm asking for help, how can i do it?
Will chromecast work? I dont know how chromecast works, i need to hook it up to the projector, and to the pc? and if i hook it to the pc wont it still not let me stream HDR because of the specs?
but basically, looking for a solution.
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So finally nobody bought the TCL?
I wonder if Abed Tahan will make special prices on Sony X800E and x850E for Fifa World cup in 4 months.
They used to make super deals on TVs for the ''mondial''
I wonder if Abed Tahan will make special prices on Sony X800E and x850E for Fifa World cup in 4 months.
They used to make super deals on TVs for the ''mondial''
I might but probably not so soon, or maybe not, dunno.infiniteloop wroteSo finally nobody bought the TCL?
I wonder if Abed Tahan will make special prices on Sony X800E and x850E for Fifa World cup in 4 months.
They used to make super deals on TVs for the ''mondial''
3 months later
so i was just at abed tahan to check out sony and tcl tvs. i have a sitting area that will be approximately 3.5 meters away from the tv so i am trying to decide between a 75" 4k HDR or a 65" 4k HDR considering the 75" costs 1000$ more and would probably be too big for the mentioned distance?
The sony x930 65" would cost 3200$ but you get a free 40" FHD sony TV with it costing 370$ i believe if you want to purchase it seperately. the 75" edge lit sony x850e costs 2899$ although i saw the same model at khoury home for 2700$. i saw the x930 has more brightness to it that the x850e and im just wondering if its better to get the higher specced 65" x930e rather than the 75: x850e.
I will be using a ps4 pro and watching 4k netflix and considering the samsung 4k bluray player as well if there are 4k bluray dvds to purchase here?
Then i saw the 75" 4k UHD HDR PO TCL L75c2us. It had a great picture as well for the price of 2200usd and has a full array rather than the edge lit 75" x850e. I also saw the Curved 65" L65X3CUS TCL with quantum dot and it looked amazing. I'm wondering if the picture quality between the sony's and the tcl is similar and not worth paying the extra for the sony name. how is the upscaling on the TCL, the HDR compared to the sony and the brightness.
i will be making the purchase soon so any input regarding the size and make of the tv will be greatly appreciated. Or maybe wait for better tvs in 2019? will they be out of budget(max 3200$)?
thanks!!!
The sony x930 65" would cost 3200$ but you get a free 40" FHD sony TV with it costing 370$ i believe if you want to purchase it seperately. the 75" edge lit sony x850e costs 2899$ although i saw the same model at khoury home for 2700$. i saw the x930 has more brightness to it that the x850e and im just wondering if its better to get the higher specced 65" x930e rather than the 75: x850e.
I will be using a ps4 pro and watching 4k netflix and considering the samsung 4k bluray player as well if there are 4k bluray dvds to purchase here?
Then i saw the 75" 4k UHD HDR PO TCL L75c2us. It had a great picture as well for the price of 2200usd and has a full array rather than the edge lit 75" x850e. I also saw the Curved 65" L65X3CUS TCL with quantum dot and it looked amazing. I'm wondering if the picture quality between the sony's and the tcl is similar and not worth paying the extra for the sony name. how is the upscaling on the TCL, the HDR compared to the sony and the brightness.
i will be making the purchase soon so any input regarding the size and make of the tv will be greatly appreciated. Or maybe wait for better tvs in 2019? will they be out of budget(max 3200$)?
thanks!!!
@djunited
Were you in the mansourieh branch by any chance near closing time?
Anyway we were there and we bought the 65" C2US.
Also to @TechGuru and to anyone else whos bought TVs from. Abed tahan, did they open the box and try the TV out in front of you before you took it.
They told me it's mandatory... But I wonder if they're only doing it with tcl.. Maybe they suspect some defaults?
Were you in the mansourieh branch by any chance near closing time?
Anyway we were there and we bought the 65" C2US.
Also to @TechGuru and to anyone else whos bought TVs from. Abed tahan, did they open the box and try the TV out in front of you before you took it.
They told me it's mandatory... But I wonder if they're only doing it with tcl.. Maybe they suspect some defaults?
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i was. i saw them take your tv out lol. guy who was helping me mentioned you bought the 65" as i was checking out the 75". liked their curved tv as well. what made you go for it? is this the latest series or the 6 series will be the newest?AVOlio wrote@djunited
Were you in the mansourieh branch by any chance near closing time?
Anyway we were there and we bought the 65" C2US.
Also to @TechGuru and to anyone else whos bought TVs from. Abed tahan, did they open the box and try the TV out in front of you before you took it.
They told me it's mandatory... But I wonder if they're only doing it with tcl.. Maybe they suspect some defaults?
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djunited wroteso i was just at abed tahan to check out sony and tcl tvs. i have a sitting area that will be approximately 3.5 meters away from the tv so i am trying to decide between a 75" 4k HDR or a 65" 4k HDR considering the 75" costs 1000$ more and would probably be too big for the mentioned distance?
The sony x930 65" would cost 3200$ but you get a free 40" FHD sony TV with it costing 370$ i believe if you want to purchase it seperately. the 75" edge lit sony x850e costs 2899$ although i saw the same model at khoury home for 2700$. i saw the x930 has more brightness to it that the x850e and im just wondering if its better to get the higher specced 65" x930e rather than the 75: x850e.
I will be using a ps4 pro and watching 4k netflix and considering the samsung 4k bluray player as well if there are 4k bluray dvds to purchase here?
Then i saw the 75" 4k UHD HDR PO TCL L75c2us. It had a great picture as well for the price of 2200usd and has a full array rather than the edge lit 75" x850e. I also saw the Curved 65" L65X3CUS TCL with quantum dot and it looked amazing. I'm wondering if the picture quality between the sony's and the tcl is similar and not worth paying the extra for the sony name. how is the upscaling on the TCL, the HDR compared to the sony and the brightness.
i will be making the purchase soon so any input regarding the size and make of the tv will be greatly appreciated. Or maybe wait for better tvs in 2019? will they be out of budget(max 3200$)?
thanks!!!
The TCL has an 8 bit panel with a 60hz refresh , yes it has local dimming "FALD" but missing an essential HDR requirement to have a native 10 bit panel not 8 bit + dithering and the 120hz panel on the Sony X850e , 900e and 930e will help it sure in motion ,and reduce judder.
Second , the Sony x930e is still the 1st TV - till now not even the Latest Samsung QledQ9Fn ( the 2018 model and replacement of Q9F) crosses the 1000 nits in HDR scene real brightness which is another core requirement for HDR 10.
For your purpose and as a mid range but excellent solution go for the current best mid range tv " according to Rtings.com" which is the Sony x900e ( native 10bit / 120hz VA panel , FALD , deep contrast , good HDR brightness) . The 75 inch is being sold at Abed Tahan @ 4300 USD the 65 inch variant will be under your budget limitation sure. If you are will to pay USD 3200 x930e 65 inch is the definite pick sure.
Well I will go with the X930e for the Following Reasons:
Awesome HDR Peak Brightness - tipping 1400 nits in HDR real scene brightntess where many TVs - including high end oleds do not meet the HDR 10 core requirement of 1000 nits of HDR real scene brightness.
Great Local Dimming with Sony Slim BackLight+ - the X930E has a quad LED structure which consists of two LED rows at the top, and two at the bottom side of the panel. Additionally, the X930E has two layers of light guide plates in order to be able to optimally utilize the quad LED structure for the purpose of achieving even brightness across the screen, and more importantly: to have more control over light distribution in different areas.
Much Better build quality compared to Samsung Flagships
Quantum.Dot That an Old technology that Sony Introduced in 2013 in their Triluminos displays that Samsung adpoted in 2016 and LG in Nano Crystals.
Can accept any resolution - ( 16:9) /refresh rate up to 120hz within the 18Gbps Bandwidth & 600mhz pixel clock of the HDMI 2.0
Through custom resolution in the Nvidia Control Panel:
Easy
2560 × 1440p @ 120hz Full RGB
2560 × 1600p @ 120hz Full RGB
3072 × 1726p @ 100hz Full RGB
2816 × 1584p @ 120hz Full RGB
No frame skipping / interpolations
Overall it is a great tv set and well arounded in every area from. Local Dimming , HDR Performance , Build Quality , Motion Handling, Contrast and Brightness.
https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/best/by-price/under-1500
Finally , TCL build quality is not compared to Sony durability and QC.
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@djunited if your budget allows you, go for the Sony no doubt in that.
We went for the tcl just for budget purposes.
I was leaning towards the P6US (which is the P series, but completely different from the US version, if they had released the Us version with Roku OS I would have bought 2 of them in a blink) but my dad was not convinced of the picture of P6US , until he saw the C2US. Plus, c2us has android and Google play store.
Personally a few months ago I was planning to get the LG OLED but due to issues with the bank I couldn't get it, so I went ahead and got a 4K HDR projector which goes up to 100" in my room and as the seller told me, a 4k high quality projector is better than any TV! I'm completely convinced about that now, and I'm so happy with it.
Anywho we didn't even get the TV yet as it wouldn't fit in the car, we have to wait until Wednesday!
Regarding the curved tcl (I'm assuming it was the one showed right in the middle of both the 55 & 65" P6USs?) I didn't like the picture quality at all.
@TechGuru
Did they open the box of your 930e at the store in front of you to check it before you took it home?
We went for the tcl just for budget purposes.
I was leaning towards the P6US (which is the P series, but completely different from the US version, if they had released the Us version with Roku OS I would have bought 2 of them in a blink) but my dad was not convinced of the picture of P6US , until he saw the C2US. Plus, c2us has android and Google play store.
Personally a few months ago I was planning to get the LG OLED but due to issues with the bank I couldn't get it, so I went ahead and got a 4K HDR projector which goes up to 100" in my room and as the seller told me, a 4k high quality projector is better than any TV! I'm completely convinced about that now, and I'm so happy with it.
Anywho we didn't even get the TV yet as it wouldn't fit in the car, we have to wait until Wednesday!
Regarding the curved tcl (I'm assuming it was the one showed right in the middle of both the 55 & 65" P6USs?) I didn't like the picture quality at all.
@TechGuru
Did they open the box of your 930e at the store in front of you to check it before you took it home?
Sure , they shipped from the warehouse - since I do nlt get showroom tvs , requested to be sealed from the warehouse. Two days after request , they called me then I went to.the show room and they tested in front of me.AVOlio wrote@djunited if your budget allows you, go for the Sony no doubt in that.
We went for the tcl just for budget purposes.
I was leaning towards the P6US (which is the P series, but completely different from the US version, if they had released the Us version with Roku OS I would have bought 2 of them in a blink) but my dad was not convinced of the picture of P6US , until he saw the C2US. Plus, c2us has android and Google play store.
Personally a few months ago I was planning to get the LG OLED but due to issues with the bank I couldn't get it, so I went ahead and got a 4K HDR projector which goes up to 100" in my room and as the seller told me, a 4k high quality projector is better than any TV! I'm completely convinced about that now, and I'm so happy with it.
Anywho we didn't even get the TV yet as it wouldn't fit in the car, we have to wait until Wednesday!
Regarding the curved tcl (I'm assuming it was the one showed right in the middle of both the 55 & 65" P6USs?) I didn't like the picture quality at all.
@TechGuru
Did they open the box of your 930e at the store in front of you to check it before you took it home?
Tech Guru wroteSure , they shipped from the warehouse - since I don't favor getting showroom tvs , requested to be sealed from the warehouse. Two days after request , they called me then I went to the show room and they tested it infront of me.AVOlio wrote@djunited if your budget allows you, go for the Sony no doubt in that.
We went for the tcl just for budget purposes.
I was leaning towards the P6US (which is the P series, but completely different from the US version, if they had released the Us version with Roku OS I would have bought 2 of them in a blink) but my dad was not convinced of the picture of P6US , until he saw the C2US. Plus, c2us has android and Google play store.
Personally a few months ago I was planning to get the LG OLED but due to issues with the bank I couldn't get it, so I went ahead and got a 4K HDR projector which goes up to 100" in my room and as the seller told me, a 4k high quality projector is better than any TV! I'm completely convinced about that now, and I'm so happy with it.
Anywho we didn't even get the TV yet as it wouldn't fit in the car, we have to wait until Wednesday!
Regarding the curved tcl (I'm assuming it was the one showed right in the middle of both the 55 & 65" P6USs?) I didn't like the picture quality at all.
@TechGuru
Did they open the box of your 930e at the store in front of you to check it before you took it home?
Tech Guru wrotedjunited wroteso i was just at abed tahan to check out sony and tcl tvs. i have a sitting area that will be approximately 3.5 meters away from the tv so i am trying to decide between a 75" 4k HDR or a 65" 4k HDR considering the 75" costs 1000$ more and would probably be too big for the mentioned distance?
The sony x930 65" would cost 3200$ but you get a free 40" FHD sony TV with it costing 370$ i believe if you want to purchase it seperately. the 75" edge lit sony x850e costs 2899$ although i saw the same model at khoury home for 2700$. i saw the x930 has more brightness to it that the x850e and im just wondering if its better to get the higher specced 65" x930e rather than the 75: x850e.
I will be using a ps4 pro and watching 4k netflix and considering the samsung 4k bluray player as well if there are 4k bluray dvds to purchase here?
Then i saw the 75" 4k UHD HDR PO TCL L75c2us. It had a great picture as well for the price of 2200usd and has a full array rather than the edge lit 75" x850e. I also saw the Curved 65" L65X3CUS TCL with quantum dot and it looked amazing. I'm wondering if the picture quality between the sony's and the tcl is similar and not worth paying the extra for the sony name. how is the upscaling on the TCL, the HDR compared to the sony and the brightness.
i will be making the purchase soon so any input regarding the size and make of the tv will be greatly appreciated. Or maybe wait for better tvs in 2019? will they be out of budget(max 3200$)?
thanks!!!
The TCL has an 8 bit panel with a 60hz refresh , yes it has local dimming "FALD" but missing an essential HDR requirement to have a native 10 bit panel not 8 bit + dithering and the 120hz panel on the Sony X850e , 900e and 930e will help it sure in motion ,and reduce judder.
Second , the Sony x930e is still the 1st TV - till now not even the Latest Samsung QledQ9Fn ( the 2018 model and replacement of Q9F) crosses the 1000 nits in HDR scene real brightness which is another core requirement for HDR 10.
For your purpose and as a mid range but excellent solution go for the current best mid range tv " according to Rtings.com" which is the Sony x900e ( native 10bit / 120hz VA panel , FALD , deep contrast , good HDR brightness) . The 75 inch is being sold at Abed Tahan @ 4300 USD the 65 inch variant will be under your budget limitation sure. If you are will to pay USD 3200 x930e 65 inch is the definite pick sure.
Well I will go with the X930e for the Following Reasons:
Awesome HDR Peak Brightness - tipping 1400 nits in HDR real scene brightntess where many TVs - including high end oleds do not meet the HDR 10 core requirement of 1000 nits of HDR real scene brightness.
Great Local Dimming with Sony Slim BackLight+ - the X930E has a quad LED structure which consists of two LED rows at the top, and two at the bottom side of the panel. Additionally, the X930E has two layers of light guide plates in order to be able to optimally utilize the quad LED structure for the purpose of achieving even brightness across the screen, and more importantly: to have more control over light distribution in different areas.
Much Better build quality compared to Samsung Flagships
Quantum.Dot That an Old technology that Sony Introduced in 2013 in their Triluminos displays that Samsung adpoted in 2016 and LG in Nano Crystals.
Can accept any resolution - ( 16:9) /refresh rate up to 120hz within the 18Gbps Bandwidth & 600mhz pixel clock of the HDMI 2.0
Through custom resolution in the Nvidia Control Panel:
Easy
2560 × 1440p @ 120hz Full RGB
2560 × 1600p @ 120hz Full RGB
3072 × 1726p @ 100hz Full RGB
2816 × 1584p @ 120hz Full RGB
No frame skipping / interpolations
Overall it is a great tv set and well arounded in every area from. Local Dimming , HDR Performance , Build Quality , Motion Handling, Contrast and Brightness.
https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/best/by-price/under-1500
Finally , TCL build quality is not compared to Sony durability and QC.
thanks for the detailed review. i am well aware the somy is the better tv but with the tcl x3 series at half the price its hard to pass. would you check out these links for me? it says the x3 has dolby vision and hdr 10.
https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20170104006575/en/TCL-Launches-New-Flagship-QUHD-TVs-CES
https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1484646997
https://www.techradar.com/news/tcl-introduces-new-c-series-tv-to-rival-high-end-competitors
and finally this link says it reaches 800nits of brightness vs the 400 nits in the prior link but says theres no support for dolby vision.
let me know what you think. also is it wise to get the tv now while there is a sale till may 20 or should i wait for newer models? i will be moving in to a new home in august/september which is when i will install the tv. thanks
hi. im trying to justify spending the extra and getting a sony which is more future proof than the tcls or is there something new coming out that will fall under this budget of 3200$ in the coming few months?AVOlio wrote@djunited if your budget allows you, go for the Sony no doubt in that.
We went for the tcl just for budget purposes.
I was leaning towards the P6US (which is the P series, but completely different from the US version, if they had released the Us version with Roku OS I would have bought 2 of them in a blink) but my dad was not convinced of the picture of P6US , until he saw the C2US. Plus, c2us has android and Google play store.
Personally a few months ago I was planning to get the LG OLED but due to issues with the bank I couldn't get it, so I went ahead and got a 4K HDR projector which goes up to 100" in my room and as the seller told me, a 4k high quality projector is better than any TV! I'm completely convinced about that now, and I'm so happy with it.
Anywho we didn't even get the TV yet as it wouldn't fit in the car, we have to wait until Wednesday!
Regarding the curved tcl (I'm assuming it was the one showed right in the middle of both the 55 & 65" P6USs?) I didn't like the picture quality at all.
@TechGuru
Did they open the box of your 930e at the store in front of you to check it before you took it home?
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@djunited from what I've asked to all the sales associates in many places (LG, TAHAN, KHOURY HOME...) the 2018 models of all TVs start to appear on Lebanese shelves starting July, if not more. I doubt tcl will add something because it just added the P6 series.
Also, this x3 that you're mentioning, was it the curved TV that was put in between the P6US 55 & 65" TVs??
The one that had like six little circle shaped speakers at the bottom?
If yes, I really don't understand what you liked about its picture quality.
Other than that, all I can do to help you is, wait until I use the C2US 65" for a while, like a week or so, and then I'll post you my review of it. I'll receive the TV on Wednesday.
On a side note, and my two cents to you, check out projectors, it's Very worth investing in a Good quality one!
Also, this x3 that you're mentioning, was it the curved TV that was put in between the P6US 55 & 65" TVs??
The one that had like six little circle shaped speakers at the bottom?
If yes, I really don't understand what you liked about its picture quality.
Other than that, all I can do to help you is, wait until I use the C2US 65" for a while, like a week or so, and then I'll post you my review of it. I'll receive the TV on Wednesday.
On a side note, and my two cents to you, check out projectors, it's Very worth investing in a Good quality one!
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djunited wroteTech Guru wrotedjunited wroteso i was just at abed tahan to check out sony and tcl tvs. i have a sitting area that will be approximately 3.5 meters away from the tv so i am trying to decide between a 75" 4k HDR or a 65" 4k HDR considering the 75" costs 1000$ more and would probably be too big for the mentioned distance?
The sony x930 65" would cost 3200$ but you get a free 40" FHD sony TV with it costing 370$ i believe if you want to purchase it seperately. the 75" edge lit sony x850e costs 2899$ although i saw the same model at khoury home for 2700$. i saw the x930 has more brightness to it that the x850e and im just wondering if its better to get the higher specced 65" x930e rather than the 75: x850e.
I will be using a ps4 pro and watching 4k netflix and considering the samsung 4k bluray player as well if there are 4k bluray dvds to purchase here?
Then i saw the 75" 4k UHD HDR PO TCL L75c2us. It had a great picture as well for the price of 2200usd and has a full array rather than the edge lit 75" x850e. I also saw the Curved 65" L65X3CUS TCL with quantum dot and it looked amazing. I'm wondering if the picture quality between the sony's and the tcl is similar and not worth paying the extra for the sony name. how is the upscaling on the TCL, the HDR compared to the sony and the brightness.
i will be making the purchase soon so any input regarding the size and make of the tv will be greatly appreciated. Or maybe wait for better tvs in 2019? will they be out of budget(max 3200$)?
thanks!!!
The TCL has an 8 bit panel with a 60hz refresh , yes it has local dimming "FALD" but missing an essential HDR requirement to have a native 10 bit panel not 8 bit + dithering and the 120hz panel on the Sony X850e , 900e and 930e will help it sure in motion ,and reduce judder.
Second , the Sony x930e is still the 1st TV - till now not even the Latest Samsung QledQ9Fn ( the 2018 model and replacement of Q9F) crosses the 1000 nits in HDR scene real brightness which is another core requirement for HDR 10.
For your purpose and as a mid range but excellent solution go for the current best mid range tv " according to Rtings.com" which is the Sony x900e ( native 10bit / 120hz VA panel , FALD , deep contrast , good HDR brightness) . The 75 inch is being sold at Abed Tahan @ 4300 USD the 65 inch variant will be under your budget limitation sure. If you are will to pay USD 3200 x930e 65 inch is the definite pick sure.
Well I will go with the X930e for the Following Reasons:
Awesome HDR Peak Brightness - tipping 1400 nits in HDR real scene brightntess where many TVs - including high end oleds do not meet the HDR 10 core requirement of 1000 nits of HDR real scene brightness.
Great Local Dimming with Sony Slim BackLight+ - the X930E has a quad LED structure which consists of two LED rows at the top, and two at the bottom side of the panel. Additionally, the X930E has two layers of light guide plates in order to be able to optimally utilize the quad LED structure for the purpose of achieving even brightness across the screen, and more importantly: to have more control over light distribution in different areas.
Much Better build quality compared to Samsung Flagships
Quantum.Dot That an Old technology that Sony Introduced in 2013 in their Triluminos displays that Samsung adpoted in 2016 and LG in Nano Crystals.
Can accept any resolution - ( 16:9) /refresh rate up to 120hz within the 18Gbps Bandwidth & 600mhz pixel clock of the HDMI 2.0
Through custom resolution in the Nvidia Control Panel:
Easy
2560 × 1440p @ 120hz Full RGB
2560 × 1600p @ 120hz Full RGB
3072 × 1726p @ 100hz Full RGB
2816 × 1584p @ 120hz Full RGB
No frame skipping / interpolations
Overall it is a great tv set and well arounded in every area from. Local Dimming , HDR Performance , Build Quality , Motion Handling, Contrast and Brightness.
https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/best/by-price/under-1500
Finally , TCL build quality is not compared to Sony durability and QC.
thanks for the detailed review. i am well aware the somy is the better tv but with the tcl x3 series at half the price its hard to pass. would you check out these links for me? it says the x3 has dolby vision and hdr 10.
https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20170104006575/en/TCL-Launches-New-Flagship-QUHD-TVs-CES
https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1484646997
https://www.techradar.com/news/tcl-introduces-new-c-series-tv-to-rival-high-end-competitors
and finally this link says it reaches 800nits of brightness vs the 400 nits in the prior link but says theres no support for dolby vision.
let me know what you think. also is it wise to get the tv now while there is a sale till may 20 or should i wait for newer models? i will be moving in to a new home in august/september which is when i will install the tv. thanks
Let me hint to you certain things mate ,
Dolby Vision requires a real 12bit panel all current TVs including high-end OLEDs like the LG C8 advertise themselves they support Dolby Vision but no it is 10 bit + dithering which is >>> than TVs like TCL that advertise themselves they support Dolby Vision that they actually have an 8 bit panel to tip 12 bit they do supper dithering , and it definitely what should real Dolby Vision is about , it is better to go 10 bit + dithering then going 8 bit + dithering too tip 12 bit as a core requirement for proper Dolby Vision. An 8-bit image means there are two to the power of eight shades for red, green, and blue. This is 256 different values per channel. When combining those channels we can have 256 x 256 x 256 different color combinations, or roughly 16 million. A 10-bit image can display 1,024 shades of color per channel, or billions of color combinations. The 1024 shades in a real 10bit panel help it in displaying HDR 10 Rec 2020 and DCI P3 colors spaces properly without color banding issues and washed out colors in HDR illuminated bright parts or dark parts that help shows details and not crashed colors.
Second, at least 1000 nits is a core requirement for proper HDR 10 ( real scene HDR brightness) not 10 % window , and sustainability to achieve that in a continuous is important too , the TCL definitely lacks that. I am not bashing the TV sure but I am talking pure technical stuff aside from internet marketing and show rooms sales men good words. TCL is very good for persons on tight budgets , but since you have 3200 USD to spend , a 65 inch X930e is my pick to you.
To simplify to you watch this Video from HDTVTEST
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzrwvJsLIho&t=16s
And see how much brightness is important for both HDR 10 and Dolby Vision.
AVOlio wrote@djunited from what I've asked to all the sales associates in many places (LG, TAHAN, KHOURY HOME...) the 2018 models of all TVs start to appear on Lebanese shelves starting July, if not more. I doubt tcl will add something because it just added the P6 series.
Also, this x3 that you're mentioning, was it the curved TV that was put in between the P6US 55 & 65" TVs??
The one that had like six little circle shaped speakers at the bottom?
If yes, I really don't understand what you liked about its picture quality.
Other than that, all I can do to help you is, wait until I use the C2US 65" for a while, like a week or so, and then I'll post you my review of it. I'll receive the TV on Wednesday.
On a side note, and my two cents to you, check out projectors, it's Very worth investing in a Good quality one!
the 6 series will replace the p6. yes the x3 is their curved tv and its their higher end model if i read their reviews correctly. looking forward to the review.
Rting wrotehttps://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sony
Sony's lineup of TVs isn't the widest. Their focus is mainly on mid-range and high-end models. They do offer some budget TVs, but they haven't shown to be very good,
*F = 2018
*E = 2017
*D = 2016
*C = 2015
*B = 2014
Budget models will start with "KDL". The rest of the Sony range will start with "XBR". The first digits in the code are the size, the last 3 are the model. The higher the model number, the more expensive it will be. For example, XBR55X900F is a high-end 2018 55 inch model, while the KDL32W600D is a budget 2016 32 inch mode
The x900f is the same price of the x930e and it fails compared to it on many functions:Gamer wroteRting wrotehttps://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sony
Sony's lineup of TVs isn't the widest. Their focus is mainly on mid-range and high-end models. They do offer some budget TVs, but they haven't shown to be very good,
*F = 2018
*E = 2017
*D = 2016
*C = 2015
*B = 2014
Budget models will start with "KDL". The rest of the Sony range will start with "XBR". The first digits in the code are the size, the last 3 are the model. The higher the model number, the more expensive it will be. For example, XBR55X900F is a high-end 2018 55 inch model, while the KDL32W600D is a budget 2016 32 inch mode
Source TVevaluate.com
The Sony X900F and X930E differ mainly in their backlight structure, dynamic range, motion technology, sound, design.
1. Different backlight structure (Full-array backlight vs Slim Backlight Drive+)
The X900F uses a full-array backlight whereas the X930E has a Slim Backlight Drive+. The difference is that the LEDs are spaced evenly across the back of the X900F’s panel whereas the X930E has a quad LED structure which consists of two LED rows at the top, and two at the bottom side of the panel. Additionally, the X930E has two layers of light guide plates in order to be able to optimally utilize the quad LED structure for the purpose of achieving even brightness across the screen, and more importantly: to have more control over light distribution in different areas. Therefore, despite the different backlight structure, both the X900F and X930E are able to perform local dimming and boosting.
2. Difference in the X-tended Dynamic Range PRO (6x vs 10x)
The X900F and X930E differ significantly in their dynamic range which is mostly noticeable with High Dynamic Range (HDR) content. For example, the X900F and X930E have a contrast range that is up to six and ten times, respectively, that of a conventional edge-lit TV without local dimming. In other words, the X930E’s dynamic range is notably broader than that of a X900F. The difference between the X900F and X930E is mostly attributed to the higher peak brightness on the X930E, which is something the specular highlights in HDR content benefit most from.
3. Different Motion technology (X-Motion Clarity vs Motionflow XR)
The X900F’s X-Motion Clarity technology utilizes the local dimming backlight in order to refine the backlight scanning/blinking that can be found on the X930E. Specifically, the blinking is limited to the areas where motion occurs rather than scanning the entire backlight. The X900F is thus able to improve the motion clarity without exhibiting any significant luminance drop. It also needs to be said that the X930E, despite lacking the X-Motion Clarity technology, is able to maintain a certain luminance level even in case backlight scanning is used due to its higher brightness capability. Both the X900F and X930E are able to enhance the smoothness of motion by the means of creating additional frames thanks to the motion interpolation technology. Furthermore, the native refresh rate of the X900F and X930E’s panels is 120Hz.
4. Sound (full-range driver vs 3 way speakers)
The X900F has a 2 channel sound system. The speakers are of the Bass-reflex variety and are down-firing. Each of the two speakers has a single full-range driver. There is no sub woofer on the X900F. The total audio power output is 20 Watts, or 10 Watts per channel. The X930E also has a two channel sound system but with three way speakers meaning there is a Tweeter, a Mid Range, and a Woofer instead of a singe full-range driver. Having a dedicated driver for the low frequency range, for example, results in the X930E being able to deliver deeper bass than the X900F. Furthermore, the X930E has a significantly higher audio power output of a total of 60 Watts on the 65-inch class XBR65X930E, and 50 Watts on the 55-inch class XBR55X930E. Owing to its front-facing speakers, the X930E projects dialogues and voices more clearly in comparison to the X900F.
5. Design
There is a difference in the back panel of the X900F and X930E which is black on the former and neutrally colored on the latter. Furthermore, the X930E features a geometric pattern on its entire back panel except for the central rear cover which has a leather-like texture. This cover is used for concealing cables for a clean rear look. Furthermore, the X930E allows cables to be routed through the legs at either side of the centrally mounted dark silver stand so that they won’t be visible from the front when the TV is mounted on a table top surface. Although the X900F also allows cables to be channeled through the two L-shaped feet that comprise its stand, there is no panel cover for the cables at the back so the X900F doesn’t have the same clean rear look as the X930E. Another difference is that the X930E’s panel has a two slate structure. This is mostly noticeable at the bottom where the two slates are staggered vertically for the purpose of providing space for the front-facing speakers. The X900F omits the two slate structure because its speakers are down-firing.
In addition HDRTestTv - x930e vs X900e Vs x900f live testing
https://youtu.be/t0GzpKxakZM
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So after a first day use, here's what I can say about the TCL C2US.
Overall the TV looks great, it's appealing with its silver bezels and attractions the attention as if it was a high end TV.
The picture quality is also great! Very great for its price.
Playing 4K content on YouTube, the picture is breathtaking.
However, for some reason, the TV skips frames so BADLY when playing 4k content @60Hz that it's totally unwatchable. I don't know why that would be, maybe refresh rate issue?
I didn't get HDR to work, and I don't see any HDR option in the menu! While playing 4k HDR videos on YouTube, I don't get the HDR next to the video title which says that the video is currently playing in HDR. I only get the 4k icon.
Perhaps it's a gimmick? The TV doesn't have HDR?
I haven't tried Netflix yet to see if HDR works, I don't have a Netflix, maybe someonen can share their account so that I can test it!? It would be appreciated.
Android os is great! Most of the times it's smooth but the TV froze a few times and restarted. But I guess even on Sony TVs I've heard people saying the same.
Google play store is there, but it's not full, you won't find a the apps you normally find on phones.
But you can install apks off of a flash drive or something, make sure you download a file explorer like ES in order to view the apks on the drive.
I installed Terrarium, and there you go, free Netflix like experience.
So I guess, my final review will be, if you're looking for a budget tv with a GREAT picture quality, this will do, but if you want to have a TV with better screen specifications like refresh rate etc.. Better go with a Sony.
Overall the TV looks great, it's appealing with its silver bezels and attractions the attention as if it was a high end TV.
The picture quality is also great! Very great for its price.
Playing 4K content on YouTube, the picture is breathtaking.
However, for some reason, the TV skips frames so BADLY when playing 4k content @60Hz that it's totally unwatchable. I don't know why that would be, maybe refresh rate issue?
I didn't get HDR to work, and I don't see any HDR option in the menu! While playing 4k HDR videos on YouTube, I don't get the HDR next to the video title which says that the video is currently playing in HDR. I only get the 4k icon.
Perhaps it's a gimmick? The TV doesn't have HDR?
I haven't tried Netflix yet to see if HDR works, I don't have a Netflix, maybe someonen can share their account so that I can test it!? It would be appreciated.
Android os is great! Most of the times it's smooth but the TV froze a few times and restarted. But I guess even on Sony TVs I've heard people saying the same.
Google play store is there, but it's not full, you won't find a the apps you normally find on phones.
But you can install apks off of a flash drive or something, make sure you download a file explorer like ES in order to view the apks on the drive.
I installed Terrarium, and there you go, free Netflix like experience.
So I guess, my final review will be, if you're looking for a budget tv with a GREAT picture quality, this will do, but if you want to have a TV with better screen specifications like refresh rate etc.. Better go with a Sony.
Interesting.AVOlio wroteSo after a first day use, here's what I can say about the TCL C2US.
Overall the TV looks great, it's appealing with its silver bezels and attractions the attention as if it was a high end TV.
The picture quality is also great! Very great for its price.
Playing 4K content on YouTube, the picture is breathtaking.
However, for some reason, the TV skips frames so BADLY when playing 4k content @60Hz that it's totally unwatchable. I don't know why that would be, maybe refresh rate issue?
I didn't get HDR to work, and I don't see any HDR option in the menu! While playing 4k HDR videos on YouTube, I don't get the HDR next to the video title which says that the video is currently playing in HDR. I only get the 4k icon.
Perhaps it's a gimmick? The TV doesn't have HDR?
I haven't tried Netflix yet to see if HDR works, I don't have a Netflix, maybe someonen can share their account so that I can test it!? It would be appreciated.
Android os is great! Most of the times it's smooth but the TV froze a few times and restarted. But I guess even on Sony TVs I've heard people saying the same.
Google play store is there, but it's not full, you won't find a the apps you normally find on phones.
But you can install apks off of a flash drive or something, make sure you download a file explorer like ES in order to view the apks on the drive.
I installed Terrarium, and there you go, free Netflix like experience.
So I guess, my final review will be, if you're looking for a budget tv with a GREAT picture quality, this will do, but if you want to have a TV with better screen specifications like refresh rate etc.. Better go with a Sony.
I think it won't be great for gaming then if it's the case! That's concerning.