Sorry nothing to answer. I was just wondering why did you choose Canada over France or the EU in general?Draguen wroteHey guys,
So I guess it's my turn to emigrate ?
Long story short: I had no plans to emigrate. I had a small promising start-up with a few $ on the side in Lebanon and was taking vacation in Canada to see a now-ex-girlfriend when the Thawra began. I went from hopeful at the beginning of the Thawra to despaired when i understood that most businesses will crash and burn (including mine) and there's nothing to do about it due to the situation that our politicians and banks left us in.
So i passed my GMAT at the end of February and applied to a Uni in Montreal using my french passport (the french citizenship gives reduced university rates in Quebec), I just received my acceptance letter and i'm starting to work on my papers.
I remember reading here that Lebanese had a Whatsapp group for people landing in Canada with no family / limited resources but I can't find it anywhere.
Also if any of the old Lebgeekers that actually went to Canada have a few tips and pro tricks, I'd love to hear them.
on the other hand, if any of you guys want more details about the papers and everything that I had to do to apply, please let me know.
I try to see this as a "sign from the universe": I always wanted to do an MBA but never seriously considered leaving Lebanon, despite being born and raised in France.
Moving to Canada Process
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Long story short ? For me France and especially Paris is depressing.
it's a multi-sided choice: I never really liked northern Europe, everything is grey (sidewalks, buildings, weather, people). I know it might sound stupid but it really had an impact on my mental health. Plus I need daily social interactions and stupid smiles being randomly exchanged with strangers (ask me how i'm doing during the quarantine).
I never liked what the French call the "Metro, Boulot, Dodo" (Metro, Work, Sleep) lifestyle. When you combine that with the fact that I need space, in the sense that European Cities can be overcrowded with a super high density and no escape escape from it, compare that to Montreal or Beirut where I randomly jump in my car and go on road trips to batroun or faraya to take a breath.
From a university standpoint, Europe has great universities but "compatible" countries that include good universities and possibilities of getting a job aren't that many if you don't speak the language, so there go Spain and Italy.
Montreal, to my surprise, has approximately twice as many sunny days as Paris (yes I googled it). When you combine that with the fact that their lifestyle (culturally wise) and "overall happiness" are closer to what i'm looking for, well it starts to shift the balance. Furthermore the Quebecois government "heavily" subsidise French students, I'll pay exactly as much as a Quebecois resident (even less that a Canadian citizen not residing in Quebec) for an excellent level of teaching and the reputation that goes with it.
As an example, HEC Paris is 70000 euros for an MBA, HEC Montreal is about 7000$ if you're French. Granted it's not as prestigious, but it doesn't justify a 900% increase if you're self financing(for the sake of easiness, i didn't take into consideration the difference in money value).
Add to the fact that you have a better purchasing power in Canada vs France and most European countries, as well as a lower unemployment rate (pre-corona). I could also go into what I see as a better more relaxed work culture / work relationship in Canada than in France, but I might be wrong here since I've never worked in Canada.
Finally, I really enjoyed Montréal and I like an adventure, I believe that as a French-Lebanese I can have an added value compared to locals without being discriminated because I do speak the local language.
In France i'd just be another French, In another European Country i'd be at a disadvantage because i don't speak the local language.
Hope this helps.
it's a multi-sided choice: I never really liked northern Europe, everything is grey (sidewalks, buildings, weather, people). I know it might sound stupid but it really had an impact on my mental health. Plus I need daily social interactions and stupid smiles being randomly exchanged with strangers (ask me how i'm doing during the quarantine).
I never liked what the French call the "Metro, Boulot, Dodo" (Metro, Work, Sleep) lifestyle. When you combine that with the fact that I need space, in the sense that European Cities can be overcrowded with a super high density and no escape escape from it, compare that to Montreal or Beirut where I randomly jump in my car and go on road trips to batroun or faraya to take a breath.
From a university standpoint, Europe has great universities but "compatible" countries that include good universities and possibilities of getting a job aren't that many if you don't speak the language, so there go Spain and Italy.
Montreal, to my surprise, has approximately twice as many sunny days as Paris (yes I googled it). When you combine that with the fact that their lifestyle (culturally wise) and "overall happiness" are closer to what i'm looking for, well it starts to shift the balance. Furthermore the Quebecois government "heavily" subsidise French students, I'll pay exactly as much as a Quebecois resident (even less that a Canadian citizen not residing in Quebec) for an excellent level of teaching and the reputation that goes with it.
As an example, HEC Paris is 70000 euros for an MBA, HEC Montreal is about 7000$ if you're French. Granted it's not as prestigious, but it doesn't justify a 900% increase if you're self financing(for the sake of easiness, i didn't take into consideration the difference in money value).
Add to the fact that you have a better purchasing power in Canada vs France and most European countries, as well as a lower unemployment rate (pre-corona). I could also go into what I see as a better more relaxed work culture / work relationship in Canada than in France, but I might be wrong here since I've never worked in Canada.
Finally, I really enjoyed Montréal and I like an adventure, I believe that as a French-Lebanese I can have an added value compared to locals without being discriminated because I do speak the local language.
In France i'd just be another French, In another European Country i'd be at a disadvantage because i don't speak the local language.
Hope this helps.
Montreal sounds nice. Do you need a masters degree to land a good job there?
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I like Europe (generally) and have friends and I like the active lifestyle.
However Montreal seem to offer a better standard of life (especially concerning accommodation) an the professional environment appears to be more forgiving, more chilled, more validating than the one in Europe.
Immigration to Canada is generally easier than Europe. Also USA and South America is more accessible from there.
However Montreal seem to offer a better standard of life (especially concerning accommodation) an the professional environment appears to be more forgiving, more chilled, more validating than the one in Europe.
Immigration to Canada is generally easier than Europe. Also USA and South America is more accessible from there.
I can tell you that in IT, if you have experience and skills then have a chance, assuming that Covid does not annihilate the economy.VincentKeyboard wroteMontreal sounds nice. Do you need a masters degree to land a good job there?
Hey Draguen, I'v been honestly thinking about this for some time but never took action towards it, partially because of the university fees. Would you happen to have an estimate for a non-EU Lebanese only candidate? I have googled it before, but I am wondering if those values are just that and if we can apply for some sort of scholarship related to our nationality.
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To all those looking for a way to immigrate to Canada, I'll try to answer some questions since I'm going through this process right now. It's extremely competitive right now, and the bar is only going to get higher with time. Might as well pull the trigger on it now while you have a chance.
The ways you can get a PR (permanent residence) in Canada as Lebanese:
1- Marry a Canadian, duh
2- FSWP (federal skilled workers program), which is the express entry route that most people go for
3- Sponsorship by an immediate family member (siblings, children, grandparents or parents) with enough financial means to sustain you
Most of us, including myself have no other choice than #2. Which puts us in a pool with candidates from around the world, where we compete on bi-weekly draws that select an X number of people that score above a certain threshold. That threshold is determined by your score, you can calculate it here. https://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/skilled/crs-tool.asp
Generally speaking, if you don't score above 460 then you have no chance of getting your PR (the current cutoff is 468, so 460 is being optimistic too). There are ways to improve that score such as getting higher grades in the language proficiency tests, obtaining a higher degree from outside of canada, obtaining a degree from Canada, getting a job offer from a Canadian employer, getting a PNP (provincial nominee program endorsement)...etc.
Play around with the CRS website that I linked and see what you need to do to get to the desired cutoff score. The score fluctuates with each draw every 2 weeks. But it's only been increasing over the years due to Chinese and Indian applicants getting higher and higher degrees for relatively cheap from their countries.
If you have money stuck in Lebanon, a good way to use it is to invest it in a Canadian degree. CIC (canadian immigration authority) has given international students the greenlight to pursue Canadian degrees online, even from abroad during COVID-19. The previous immigration rules were that at least 50% of your degree needs to be taught in class, but this is a good way to start while the borders open back up.
Furthermore, you're eligible of a PGWP, which is an open work permit after graduation that matches the length of your studies, to a maximum of 3 years. I'm taking the accelerated route and cramming my 2 year program in 1. I don't need the 2 or 3 year PGWP, since the processing time for the PR application is generally 6 months. So the 1 year PGWP I will be given should be good enough, while my PR application gets processed.
Lebanese banks """"should"""" allow you to transfer money abroad for tuition. It might be a major cost, but think of it as an investment in a better life.
I've been in Canada since last July and will hopefully be graduating this August. If you have any questions feel free to ask. Additionally, you can find so many resources online regarding this topic, there's absolutely no need for an immigration "consultant" or maktab, I did it all by myself.
The ways you can get a PR (permanent residence) in Canada as Lebanese:
1- Marry a Canadian, duh
2- FSWP (federal skilled workers program), which is the express entry route that most people go for
3- Sponsorship by an immediate family member (siblings, children, grandparents or parents) with enough financial means to sustain you
Most of us, including myself have no other choice than #2. Which puts us in a pool with candidates from around the world, where we compete on bi-weekly draws that select an X number of people that score above a certain threshold. That threshold is determined by your score, you can calculate it here. https://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/skilled/crs-tool.asp
Generally speaking, if you don't score above 460 then you have no chance of getting your PR (the current cutoff is 468, so 460 is being optimistic too). There are ways to improve that score such as getting higher grades in the language proficiency tests, obtaining a higher degree from outside of canada, obtaining a degree from Canada, getting a job offer from a Canadian employer, getting a PNP (provincial nominee program endorsement)...etc.
Play around with the CRS website that I linked and see what you need to do to get to the desired cutoff score. The score fluctuates with each draw every 2 weeks. But it's only been increasing over the years due to Chinese and Indian applicants getting higher and higher degrees for relatively cheap from their countries.
If you have money stuck in Lebanon, a good way to use it is to invest it in a Canadian degree. CIC (canadian immigration authority) has given international students the greenlight to pursue Canadian degrees online, even from abroad during COVID-19. The previous immigration rules were that at least 50% of your degree needs to be taught in class, but this is a good way to start while the borders open back up.
Furthermore, you're eligible of a PGWP, which is an open work permit after graduation that matches the length of your studies, to a maximum of 3 years. I'm taking the accelerated route and cramming my 2 year program in 1. I don't need the 2 or 3 year PGWP, since the processing time for the PR application is generally 6 months. So the 1 year PGWP I will be given should be good enough, while my PR application gets processed.
Lebanese banks """"should"""" allow you to transfer money abroad for tuition. It might be a major cost, but think of it as an investment in a better life.
I've been in Canada since last July and will hopefully be graduating this August. If you have any questions feel free to ask. Additionally, you can find so many resources online regarding this topic, there's absolutely no need for an immigration "consultant" or maktab, I did it all by myself.
4 months later
Anyone undergoing the immigration process right now who is willing to answer a few questions for me? Maybe we can start a new thread since many things have changed in the light of COVID and our recent banks collapse.
can the skilled visa be earned without a college degree but a lot of certification and work experience?
One of my questions:
What is the earliest and cheapest way to do the IELTS test in Lebanon?
What is the earliest and cheapest way to do the IELTS test in Lebanon?
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If you have a job offer for an IT job there then you could qualify for temporary worker (with a limited permit) even if you have no tertiary education degree.duke-of-bytes wrotecan the skilled visa be earned without a college degree but a lot of certification and work experience?
Well for now and based on my research, the only option available is Netcom Computer-delivered IELTS near LAU, 240$ in cash :/Guitaret wroteOne of my questions:
What is the earliest and cheapest way to do the IELTS test in Lebanon?
@Guitaret,
British Council, 204 USD, they accepted LBP on the rate of 3200 LBP few weeks ago, but they might not accept now.
Good luck.
British Council, 204 USD, they accepted LBP on the rate of 3200 LBP few weeks ago, but they might not accept now.
Good luck.
Yeah, I did reserve my seat for Oct 31 (paper - not Computer-delivered) and then I called them for payment: they take only cash and so I will try to look for a cheaper option ( ~1,600,000LL :( )MAS wrote
Well for now and based on my research, the only option available is Netcom Computer-delivered IELTS near LAU, 240$ in cash :/
I couldn't see any spot available, and their reservation calendar goes as much as end of 2020.ironman wrote
British Council, 204 USD, they accepted LBP on the rate of 3200 LBP few weeks ago, but they might not accept now.
5 months later
Hey guys. Thought I should just ask my question here rather than opening a new thread for this.
I finished my IELTS and scored really well; I just need to do the TEF and score well enough for French to be counted as an official second language, and wait a few months so I could officially have 3 years of experience. The thing is, I am not so good in French.
I've given myself about 6 months to study and redo the exam, given the below achieved and needed scores respectively:
Speaking: 267/450 (need 310)
Listening: 229/360 (need 249)
Reading: 192/300 (need 207)
Writing: 195/450 (need 310) worst by far
I think is doable, especially given I did not have the time to take the exam that seriously the first time I attempted it, but I am looking for the help of a tutor or some company that specializes in this exam (if there exists any). Would you guys happen to know such a person/company that I can contact and who can help me train in French?
I finished my IELTS and scored really well; I just need to do the TEF and score well enough for French to be counted as an official second language, and wait a few months so I could officially have 3 years of experience. The thing is, I am not so good in French.
I've given myself about 6 months to study and redo the exam, given the below achieved and needed scores respectively:
Speaking: 267/450 (need 310)
Listening: 229/360 (need 249)
Reading: 192/300 (need 207)
Writing: 195/450 (need 310) worst by far
I think is doable, especially given I did not have the time to take the exam that seriously the first time I attempted it, but I am looking for the help of a tutor or some company that specializes in this exam (if there exists any). Would you guys happen to know such a person/company that I can contact and who can help me train in French?
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I immigrated to Canada in 2015 and now have citizinship when i applied it was a different process, so cant help much there... but if you guys have like specific questions about life in Canada ( Toronto since i live there), post here and i will try to answer...
Concerning the IELTS exam, what i did and i think worked very well for me is to download and practice/time yourself on previous exams. You can find books or download from the internet (good old way of getting free stuff).
Concerning the IELTS exam, what i did and i think worked very well for me is to download and practice/time yourself on previous exams. You can find books or download from the internet (good old way of getting free stuff).
can you send me a job offer?tricky wroteI immigrated to Canada in 2015 and now have citizinship when i applied it was a different process, so cant help much there... but if you guys have like specific questions about life in Canada ( Toronto since i live there), post here and i will try to answer...
Concerning the IELTS exam, what i did and i think worked very well for me is to download and practice/time yourself on previous exams. You can find books or download from the internet (good old way of getting free stuff).
Regarding this sad update of having to pass a French test, is it required for immigration now?
If you are a front-end web developer, I can refer you to a remote job where my Canadian friend works.duke-of-bytes wrote can you send me a job offer?
Guitaret wroteRegarding this sad update of having to pass a French test, is it required for immigration now?
If you are a front-end web developer, I can refer you to a remote job where my Canadian friend works.duke-of-bytes wrote can you send me a job offer ?!
No i am an IT manager but my tech skills revolves around networking and windows sysadmin .. this is my e-cv if it can help Tarek Resume
i need a job offer for my european blue card
I just used the CRS tool on the Canadian Immigration website; with 3 years of experience, CLB9+ IELTS and the previously mentioned French scores, I would have enough points to make the next express entry draw.Guitaret wroteRegarding this sad update of having to pass a French test, is it required for immigration now?
I dont think you have to, but you get more points if you do the French test, if you know french, it wouldnt hurt to get more points, i guess...Guitaret wroteRegarding this sad update of having to pass a French test, is it required for immigration now?