Nemesis-301 wrotehow much of a difference can you see between 1080p vs 2K vs 4K?
It's hard to explain without visual aid. comparing 4k with 2k:
at 4k the entire image is in your face more, like really in your face. You feel everything is so sharp and stands out. If let's say you are standing infront of a tree in a game and you look at it.It's not that you will see more things in 4k no. you will see the same detail. The difference in detail only shows if lets say you are looking at snow, or sand. you can see individual grains. Also objects that are far away look clearer. Those two scenarios are where the differences are most obvious. but the rest of the time, the most obvious difference is how much "in your face" the image can be! Don't under estimate how much of an effect that has! It's the little things that show more detail.The curves on the tree trunk may look the same, you can see them at both resolutuons. However, they will have more depth to them at 4k.everything seems to have different depths, like looking from a window not at a flat picture.It's layer after layer after layer of depth.Not in the actual number of details you see,unless its a far away object or something so small like sand or snow. I hope I'm making some sense.
tiny fx wrote
Nemesis-301 wrotehow much of a difference can you see between 1080p vs 2K vs 4K?
It's hard to explain without visual aid. comparing 4k with 2k:
at 4k the entire image is in your face more, like really in your face. You feel everything is so sharp and stands out. If let's say you are standing infront of a tree in a game and you look at it.It's not that you will see more things in 4k no. you will see the same detail. The difference in detail only shows if lets say you are looking at snow, or sand. you can see individual grains. Also objects that are far away look clearer. Those two scenarios are where the differences are most obvious. but the rest of the time, the most obvious difference is how much "in your face" the image can be! Don't under estimate how much of an effect that has! It's the little things that show more detail.The curves on the tree trunk may look the same, you can see them at both resolutuons. However, they will have more depth to them at 4k.everything seems to have different depths, like looking from a window not at a flat picture.It's layer after layer after layer of depth.Not in the actual number of details you see,unless its a far away object or something so small like sand or snow. I hope I'm making some sense.
yes I get it, I saw 4k only once, it was a tv on display and it was showing a live view from a camera set in a city, it was like looking outside a window! O.O
Nemesis-301 wrote yes I get it, I saw 4k only once, it was a tv on display and it was showing a live view from a camera set in a city, it was like looking outside a window! O.O
This makes me wonder why people buy 23" monitors that are only 1080p. 96ppi is way too low.
Nemesis-301 wrotelets talk prices:
macrotronics is overpricing it at $660.00
local store in mtayleb (multitech) priced it for me at $615.00 which seems in the normal range..
and as techguru purchased from gcsleb in sarba highway for $610.00 which again seems in the normal range...

meanwhile, still waiting for pcandparts...
forget those prices! these are the prices of microcity!

Nemesis-301 wrote
Nemesis-301 wrotelets talk prices:
macrotronics is overpricing it at $660.00
local store in mtayleb (multitech) priced it for me at $615.00 which seems in the normal range..
and as techguru purchased from gcsleb in sarba highway for $610.00 which again seems in the normal range...

meanwhile, still waiting for pcandparts...
forget those prices! these are the prices of microcity!

These prices does not include vat, which means the 1070 is about 630, still overpriced i think.
JovanyM wrote
Nemesis-301 wrote
Nemesis-301 wrotelets talk prices:
macrotronics is overpricing it at $660.00
local store in mtayleb (multitech) priced it for me at $615.00 which seems in the normal range..
and as techguru purchased from gcsleb in sarba highway for $610.00 which again seems in the normal range...

meanwhile, still waiting for pcandparts...
forget those prices! these are the prices of microcity!

These prices does not include vat, which means the 1070 is about 630, still overpriced i think.
Didn't notice that, you're right! when you add to cart and look at your cart you see it, and yeah overpriced!
Nemesis-301 wrote
JovanyM wrote
Nemesis-301 wrote
forget those prices! these are the prices of microcity!

These prices does not include vat, which means the 1070 is about 630, still overpriced i think.
Didn't notice that, you're right! when you add to cart and look at your cart you see it, and yeah overpriced!

Exactly.. i checked computeruniverse.net, its cheap : 436 Euro vat excluded. Without taxes it would cost about 510$ ( Including vat + shippings + some fees ) , but not sure how much they would take taxes at the airport. They don't have any quota for such things , they just estimate a number, and varies alot even for a same item.
So waiting pcandparts wasn't a good idea aftearll.
The only card they shipped are Zotac, Those as i saw they have a higher power consumption , the amp extreme is a fat ass with 1.4kg of weight and its really thick !

so seems we need to order online lol
JovanyM wroteSo waiting pcandparts wasn't a good idea aftearll.
The only card they shipped are Zotac, Those as i saw they have a higher power consumption , the amp extreme is a fat ass with 1.4kg of weight and its really thick !

so seems we need to order online lol

Yep lol
Tech Guru wrote
JovanyM wroteSo waiting pcandparts wasn't a good idea aftearll.
The only card they shipped are Zotac, Those as i saw they have a higher power consumption , the amp extreme is a fat ass with 1.4kg of weight and its really thick !

so seems we need to order online lol

Yep lol
umm, I don't see what the problem is, according to the specs Zotac is actually faster...

MSI:



ZOTAC:
Nemesis-301 wrote
Tech Guru wrote
JovanyM wroteSo waiting pcandparts wasn't a good idea aftearll.
The only card they shipped are Zotac, Those as i saw they have a higher power consumption , the amp extreme is a fat ass with 1.4kg of weight and its really thick !

so seems we need to order online lol

Yep lol
umm, I don't see what the problem is, according to the specs Zotac is actually faster...

MSI:
https://s32.postimg.org/55f6lph2t/MSI_GTX_1070.png


ZOTAC:
https://s31.postimg.org/59f2cpsjf/Zotac_gtx_1070.png
yes true, but a lot of the time one card may be higher than the other stock, but can oc more.I get it if you don't want to push a card to the extreme, but the msi should be able to reach the zotac speeds easily.probably using less power too. so you can consider them equal for sure
tiny fx wroteyes true, but a lot of the time one card may be higher than the other stock, but can oc more.I get it if you don't want to push a card to the extreme, but the msi should be able to reach the zotac speeds easily.probably using less power too. so you can consider them equal for sure
Someone's ignoring the silicon lottery...

Plus, neither the Zotac AMP! nor MSI Gaming series have cherry-picked GPUs, that's reserved to the Lightning and AMP! Extreme series, so how kuch you can push either is pretty much down to your luck in the silicon lottery.
Yes it is all about the silicon lottery.

The GP104 chip is the same used in the 1080 and 1070. however Nvidia bins these chips the top quality ones go for the GTX 1080, while the ones with slight issues get thrown in another batch. then Nvidia takes those second class chips and disable some CUs on the chip and sell it as the 1070.

Usually OEMs and nvidia don't cherry pick XX70, XX50... chips but they do so for the XX80 or XX60, since these use the best binned chips and fully unlocked.
Nemesis-301 wrote
Tech Guru wrote
JovanyM wroteSo waiting pcandparts wasn't a good idea aftearll.
The only card they shipped are Zotac, Those as i saw they have a higher power consumption , the amp extreme is a fat ass with 1.4kg of weight and its really thick !

so seems we need to order online lol

Yep lol
umm, I don't see what the problem is, according to the specs Zotac is actually faster...
The Zotac is faster yes at base clock speed, but the msi has better look / cooling system / fans. its super quiet as its said in reviews.

Also the reviews of Zotac shows that its super heavy and big for a card, it takes 3 slots not 2 ( i don't mean PCIe slots ), it weights 1.4kg which makes it bend on the loose edge, and they suggest a support for it . ofc im talking about the extreme edition. while there is the extreme ofc i wouldn't get the standard.

Anyway had enough waiting lol, ordered mine from B&H , they have the MSI 1070 Gaming X for 449$, paid 507$ + shipping with DHL.
The gigabyte version is even cheaper : 430$ , but the msi is better looking and has better cooling system for just 20$ more.

I'll update here if the customs ask for fees or taxes when it arrives ( hopefully by monday )
Die_Kapitan wrote
tiny fx wroteyes true, but a lot of the time one card may be higher than the other stock, but can oc more.I get it if you don't want to push a card to the extreme, but the msi should be able to reach the zotac speeds easily.probably using less power too. so you can consider them equal for sure
Someone's ignoring the silicon lottery...

Plus, neither the Zotac AMP! nor MSI Gaming series have cherry-picked GPUs, that's reserved to the Lightning and AMP! Extreme series, so how kuch you can push either is pretty much down to your luck in the silicon lottery.
oh for sure, im not denying that.all I'm saying is that one should not assume one card is better than the other because of a very mild higher stock clockspeed.A speed the other can reach whether the silicon lottery is won or lost. I know neither are the best and the silicon lottery will play the biggest role at the highest overclocking.I'm just saying don't let anyone fool you into thinking the zotac is better because of a very mild stock Mhz advantage.
The GeForce GTX 1070 AMP! Extreme 8GB GDDR5 IceStorm Cooling, Spectra Lighting, PowerBoost is for 495 USD * 1.1 = 544.5 USD

But

- Big Card (Long , Wide , Fat) . 2.5 Slots

-It Sags " Final Words Without a doubt Zotac GTX 1070 AMP! Extreme provides a very good cooling performance for the GP104 core. As a trade-off, the card is heavy and sags at the front once installed in a typical PC tower. It will be appreciated if Zotac can provide a PCIe support bracket similar to this. Those PCIe adapters are not going to be used with modern power supplies. Motherboards like the MSI X99 Pro Gaming carbon that use metal sleeving around all of its PCIe x16 slots, but a real support gives a piece of mind. A GPU support bracket is an accessory that will be used and appreciated.

Read more at: http://www.hardwarebbq.com/zotac-gtx-1070-amp-extreme-edition-gpu-review/13/

https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/4t77dq/zotac_amp_extreme_1070_sag/?st=irgib49t&sh=8a79edf4

- Two 8 Pins for a 250 W Power Consumption vs 180 W for the MSI Gaming

- 1797 MHz / 1607 MHz / 8108 MHz (OC Mode) for the MSI Gaming
- 1835 MHz/1632 MHz / 8208 MHz (OC Mode) for the AMP! Extreme

Difference:

Boost 1835 - 1797 = 38 Mhz
Base: 1632 - 1607 =16 Mhz
Memory: 8208 - 8108 = 100 Mhz

1070 Gaming X is very easy to attain these additional OC through MSI Burner or EVGA Precision , while the card the very remains very cooled under the TORX 2.0 with 8pin +6 pinn , with less power consumption , no sagging , and feeling a medium size card. Similar analysis for the 1080 Gaming X Vs 1080 AMP! Extreme.
with that power consumption, you can't use the ZOTAC on l moteur.
ballad wrotewith that power consumption, you can't use the ZOTAC on l moteur.
wuuuut?

the 2 8pin PCI power plugs on the zotac does not mean the card will use 250W of power! the Still have the same stock TDP. it just means the zotac can utilize more power if needed for either GPU boost or overclocking.
In theory the Zotac can overclock and boost higher than the MSI because the extra power and cooling headroom.
I am currently playing Raise of the Tomb Raider linked to a 42 Inch 1080p 3D LG IPS TV , and a great experience

- 1440p (DSR)
-Direct X 12
-Ultra + (I tackled all setting to Ultra not the Ultra Game Preset since some setting will dial down to High/Very High)
-SMAA
-Hair Very High
-Double Buffer V Sync
-Stereoscopic 3D in Game enabled and along with the TV Enabled using LG Passive 3D Glasses or any cheap one your got from the Cinema.

What an experience , immersive and very solid , it puts my Uncharted 4 experience in the shallow deep dust. The 1070 Gaming X (OC Mode) 100% GPU Load 60 % Fans max temperature is 70 Degrees Celsius , whisper silent. Smooth no stutter , spikes of sudden dips. Gladly I did that investment to experience what high end PC gaming technology all about in its maximum beauty :)
Tech Guru wroteI am currently playing Raise of the Tomb Raider linked to a 42 Inch 1080p 3D LG IPS TV , and a great experience

- 1440p (DSR)
-Direct X 12
-Ultra + (I tackled all setting to Ultra not the Ultra Game Preset since some setting will dial down to High/Very High)
-SMAA
-Hair Very High
-Double Buffer V Sync
-Stereoscopic 3D in Game enabled and along with the TV Enabled using LG Passive 3D Glasses or any cheap one your got from the Cinema.

What an experience , immersive and very solid , it puts my Uncharted 4 experience in the shallow deep dust. The 1070 Gaming X (OC Mode) 100% GPU Load 60 % Fans max temperature is 70 Degrees Celsius , whisper silent. Smooth no stutter , spikes of sudden dips. Gladly I did that investment to experience what high end PC gaming technology all about in its maximum beauty :)
how many fps??? that's like the most important question here!!