Nemesis-301
hey all, I am looking to build a new gaming rig, I want this to last me 5+ years, and I am the type of gamer that wants to run any game at ultra settings at 60fps+. Also I want to SLI in the future, and game on a 4k screen. And I don't have a specific budget...
specs:
CPU: Skylake 4.00 GHz - i7-6700K 8M/LGA1151
CPU cooler: ThermalTake CL-P002-AL14BL-B Frio Silent 14
RAM: 2X HyperX 8GB (1 x 8GB) 288-Pin DDR4 2400 (PC4 19200) Desktop Memory Model HX424C15FB/8 for $34.00
MOBO: MSI Z170A SLI PLUS (DDR4) USB 3.1 (LGA1151)
OR MSI Z170A KRAIT GAMING (DDR4) USB 3.1 (LGA1151)
CASE: Cougar CG-MX200 Mid Tower Case
SSD: SAMSUNG 850 EVO MZ-N5E250BW M.2 250GB SATA 6Gbps Solid State Drive
HDD: 2TB ST2000DM001 7200RPM SATA III 64MB
LG GH24NSC0-24X DVDRW - Dual Layer SATA Black
GPU: 2 of the upcoming GTX 1080 or 1080 ti in SLI
PSU: Thermaltake Smart SE SPS-730M 730W
anayman_k7
Before I go into details, are you building it now? I noticed you stated the upcoming GTX1080 or GTX1080Ti, the 1080 will take few weeks to arrive and 1080Ti around 6~9 months
Nemesis-301
anayman_k7 wroteBefore I go into details, are you building it now? I noticed you stated the upcoming GTX1080 or GTX1080Ti, the 1080 will take few weeks to arrive and 1080Ti around 6~9 months
gonna buy everything except the gpus, I have an old gts 250 will play minecraft with that until the 1080s come out... most probably go for 1080 not a 1080ti...
anayman_k7
Nemesis-301 wroteanayman_k7 wroteBefore I go into details, are you building it now? I noticed you stated the upcoming GTX1080 or GTX1080Ti, the 1080 will take few weeks to arrive and 1080Ti around 6~9 months
gonna buy everything except the gpus, I have an old gts 250 will play minecraft with that until the 1080s come out... most probably go for 1080 not a 1080ti...
http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GeForce-GTS-250-vs-Intel-HD-530-Desktop-Skylake/m7741vsm33102
if you check the performance difference between the GTS 250 and the integrated graphics in i7 6700k you can see it is better to use the integrated graphics, I'll reply on the parts in the next post
MrClass
Please use corsair H80gt or h100gt for cpu cooling, have 32GB (4x8GB) ram kit, a larger case, and at least a 1000 watt psu with gold cert rating (corsair ax1200i)
haidcar
you have several issues with your build
1- The PSU, if you're going to build a high-end gaming rig, don't skimp on the PSU, especially if you plan a multi GPU setup. Our mains power is rather crappy at best and PSU could be the weak spot that will ruin your entire PC.
2- 8GB of Ram, While it's perfectly doable, its not great for multi tasking. Chrome alone eats 100MB+ per tab. Ram is cheap double up
3- The case if you're going to run CPU and dual GPUs rated at 500W TDP, you're going generate serious amount of heat, especially if the GPUs use open air cooling. Get a larger case with better airflow.
4- if you're going to wait for end of year for the 1080ti, you better off holding the purchase till then. the longer you wait the more these will drop.
at the end Consider Zen 8 core CPU + Vega GPU, coming later this year!
anayman_k7
* For the SSD you are not getting any benefit from an M.2 SSD that uses Sata3 protocol, performs same as 2.5" SSD
* You need a bigger boat for a single GTX1080, how about 2! Check the length of the GTX1080 you like and find a case that fits with an extra room for breathing and a lot of nice 140mm fans with filters
* PSU, get something gold rated and 850watt+
Nemesis-301
1. I am using 2X8GB so that's 16GB! and 16 GB is more than enough for gaming, 32 GB is way past overkill...
2. GTX 1080 uses about 200 watts, using a psu calculator:
http://outervision.com/power-supply-calculator
this is the requirement for my case in sli:
and without sli:
so 650 watts is enough, I went for 700 watts
3. is the cpu cooler I chose not good?
4. why would I go for an 8 core cpu? no game uses 8 cores..
5. I am unsure about the case, but I don't wanna pay 200$ for it...
anayman_k7
1. OK
2. You don't choose PSU like that, you need to have a least a good headroom because it is not healthy to keep the PSU at 85% load!!! The PSU you chose performs at 85% while at 50% load, and 82% if the load is more than that 50%, 82% of 700watt = 574Watt so it is barely good for the Single card and you can't OC at all
3. Ok, it will be good for moderate OC
4. 6700k is ok
5. Cases with good room are not expensive, they start at 74$ at pcandparts, check the NZXT cases, they look good but lacks a support for 5.25" for DVD writers but this can be solved by buying a USB DVD writer instead
Nemesis-301
anayman_k7 wrote
2. You don't choose PSU like that, you need to have a least a good headroom because it is not healthy to keep the PSU at 85% load!!! The PSU you chose performs at 85% while at 50% load, and 82% if the load is more than that 50%, 82% of 700watt = 574Watt so it is barely good for the Single card and you can't OC at all
I don't plan to OC, also the guys at guru3d.com did a 1080 sli with a 750 watt psu:
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/geforce_gtx_1080_2_way_sli_review,4.html
and if you check this site it says 1080 sli needs 750 watts:
http://www.realhardtechx.com/index_archivos/Page362.htm
so I decided to go for Thermaltake Smart SE SPS-730M 730W PSU instead...
but no need to go higher IMO
anayman_k7
You PSU is what will determine the lifetime of your board, gpus, Few days ago while buying a CPU from a lebgeekers he showed me his 350$ Gigabyte board that died from bad power delivery, You will put a big investment in the graphic cards of your case, an extra 50$ or 75$ on the PSU to reduce the risks is totally justified.
Die_Kapitan
MrClass wrotePlease use corsair H80gt or h100gt for cpu cooling, have 32GB (4x8GB) ram kit, a larger case, and at least a 1000 watt psu with gold cert rating (corsair ax1200i)
AIOs are shit, there's a risk of leakage and if the fan or pump stop working he can't use his PC until he gets a new cooler. 16GB is more than enough for a gaming PC as games barely use 8GB, 32GB won't be needed for at the very least 6 years from now. An 850 watt PSU is more than enough for a dual-GPU config.
Die_Kapitan
haidcar wrote3- The case if you're going to run CPU and dual GPUs rated at 500W TDP, you're going generate serious amount of heat, especially if the GPUs use open air cooling. Get a larger case with better airflow.
4- if you're going to wait for end of year for the 1080ti, you better off holding the purchase till then. the longer you wait the more these will drop.
at the end Consider Zen 8 core CPU + Vega GPU, coming later this year!
I second this. Especially the Vega part, Vega will surely outperform the 1080 and it will come out before the 1080 Ti, and if you're going dual-GPU, go AMD, as CrossFire scales much better than SLI, and AMD is still better at supporting DX12 and Vulkan than Nvidia.
Die_Kapitan
Nemesis-301 wroteanayman_k7 wrote
2. You don't choose PSU like that, you need to have a least a good headroom because it is not healthy to keep the PSU at 85% load!!! The PSU you chose performs at 85% while at 50% load, and 82% if the load is more than that 50%, 82% of 700watt = 574Watt so it is barely good for the Single card and you can't OC at all
I don't plan to OC, also the guys at guru3d.com did a 1080 sli with a 750 watt psu:
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/geforce_gtx_1080_2_way_sli_review,4.html
and if you check this site it says 1080 sli needs 750 watts:
http://www.realhardtechx.com/index_archivos/Page362.htm
so I decided to go for Thermaltake Smart SE SPS-730M 730W PSU instead...
but no need to go higher IMO
It's not about the wattage, it's about the quality, the Smart series is barely better than the VS series which are just a level above graybox PSUs. I mean, if you're spending more than $1000 on video cards alone, don't be a cheapass and get a shite PSU!
haidcar
i did not see the 2X for ram. 16GB is more than enough.
as for the case these GPUs will generate a lot of heat approx 200W each so 400W just from the GPUs you need a bigger better case that should provide better airflow. with intake and exhaust fans
As for the PSU, you're looking at it totally wrong. First you need a PSU that is able to deliver that wattage it stating on single rail. some PSU can be rated at say 700w but that's 500W on the v12 rail and 200 on other rail.
Second multi GPU setup is stressful setup even especially with turbo boost on the GPUs, where they can push past their rated TDPs if they can. you also want a PSU that can deliver a clean DC with little ripple as possible.
The PSU needs to be efficient as well. I recommend 80+ Gold, with 700W minimum 800W recommended.
as for CPU, yeah that's not going to last for a long time. games starting require quadcore as minimum already. give it a couple of years and you will need more. you can sell GPUs whenever you want, and get new ones. but CPU would require a complete PC overhaul which means a new rig all together.
tech-guru
@Nemesis-301
Your PSU choice is a Tier 4 or 5 , in High End Gaming System with SLI 1080 or 1080 Ti or Vega what so ever , Watts is a criteria only , you need to look at AC - DC conversion , quality of capacitors , efficiency , stability , and durability. Go with a V Series (Cooler Master) or Thermal Take Tough Power (Gold or Platinum Certified / DPS Series) or Corsair HXi Series , the last PSU have smart linkage to monitor live voltages updates in the whole system which is a feature.
For the Ram go with a 16GB , another 8GB will not harm (they are cheap now)
SSD , normal SATA III SSD like Samsung EVO/PRO are enough or Crucial 100MX are good go with either a 512 GB or 1TB , in edition to a 4TB WD Black Edition HD
for a 4k Experience and even with the release of 1080 OC even , 2160/60Fps is still out of reach on current demanding AAA titles more demand-able the upcoming Quarters of 2016 and 2017 , even 1080Ti which is expected to be 40-50% Faster then 1080 (max speculations) will not tip that , HBM 2.0 with 1TB /Sec of bandwidth compared to 540 GB / Sec of Bandwidth on the 1080Ti , HBM 2.0 will be the deal for 2160p. So directly go with two 1080 OCs in SLI (Go with Gigabyte Xtreme Series or MSI Gaming Series) /Stay away from reference coolers throttling issues are reported on the 1070/1080 (founder / non founder edition)
Case Choice is mediocre , a lot of better choices are available.
If you are tending to Overclock your 6700K , ThermalTake CL-P002-AL14BL-B Frio Silent 14 is a great air cooler which I have been suing (mild OCing are obtainable too).
What is you monitor choice ,ROG Swift ROG Swift PG27AQ 4k and Gync is a good choice , I think 120Hz even at 2160p monitors are starting to roll over.
Post some pictures when you are done , some some tidy cable management , an NZXT led strips and led fans ;)
nas93
All that psu talk is not true. I have a titan running on a 730W thermaltake psu
Die_Kapitan
nas93 wroteAll that psu talk is not true. I have a titan running on a 730W thermaltake psu
And we're back at "if it works for me, it'll work for everyone" thing.
Nemesis-301
had a chat with the nvidia support team, this was his answer:
haidcar
@ Nemesis-301
looks like you're new to this. first build i guess?
Alright first things first the TDP =/= Power consumption, it measures the heat output of that particular device. As you know or not know, any current going through electrical going through a device will generate heat. the amount of heat generated is less than the power consumed. example a hypothetical CPU is generates 100W of heat at load, it will consume 120W of power.
As I mentioned before, electricity where we live is crap voltage is not stable, generator power sometimes spikes causing surges... you need a PSU that can handle all that.
700W gold+ PSU is not the same as 700+ plus certified PSU.
Your system will most likely run normally on your selected PSU, but that's like booking a flight on Malaysian Airlines, you will probably get there, but you'll never know when you might crash and end up on lost.