And it feels so gooooodtt400 wroteAre people here honestly trying to convince themselves it isn't true that pirating games/movies is stealing, and that thereby by implication, they are theives? Stop kidding yourselves. If you pirate, you're a theif. There's no debate.
I stopped pirating games and it feels good
A random question crossed my mind:
would you buy an original disc for 100$ or buy a pirated copy for 10$ and donate 90$, if you have to.
would you buy an original disc for 100$ or buy a pirated copy for 10$ and donate 90$, if you have to.
Donate it to who. Devs? Or charities
charity.
I'd donate $50 to the devs (if I like them) and $40 to charity, if the dev's an asshole the $90 go to charity. $50 is more than the dev will get anyway, of the $60 we currently pay for an AAA game, most go to the publisher and Steam and the devs only get $5-$10 per copy sold.
Now are you implying that someday we'll have to pay $100 for a game?
Now are you implying that someday we'll have to pay $100 for a game?
not necessarly a game. a software maybe.
I was trying to elaborate something. The original poster says he's happy because he stopped pirating games.
Would it not bring more hapiness, and i mean way more hapiness, if you get to use the software, pirated in this case, keeping in mind you donated 90$ to charity!
I was trying to elaborate something. The original poster says he's happy because he stopped pirating games.
Would it not bring more hapiness, and i mean way more hapiness, if you get to use the software, pirated in this case, keeping in mind you donated 90$ to charity!
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Valve takes 30% profit per copy sold. Excluding VAT.Die_Kapitan wroteI'd donate $50 to the devs (if I like them) and $40 to charity, if the dev's an asshole the $90 go to charity. $50 is more than the dev will get anyway, of the $60 we currently pay for an AAA game, most go to the publisher and Steam and the devs only get $5-$10 per copy sold.
Now are you implying that someday we'll have to pay $100 for a game?
And guys, your best bet for charity is humble bundle. You can choose how much of your payment goes to devs/HB/charity.
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What a stupid and naive way of thinking!?
If you see a physical item at a store, would you go search/find a way to steal it? you won't! You see an phone, priced for 700$, you can't afford it, you'd go for a cheaper alternative or you'd save some money until you are able to buy it. The company decides what's the final price will be, you either buy it at that price, you wait till the price is cheaper or SIMPLY you DON'T buy it.
SAME FUCKING THING applies to software and games. The company behind the game priced it at some specific amount, wether it's single player only, multiplayer only, or both. You are free to buy it or not, they're not forcing you to buy it, that doesn't mean you can go download a cracked/patched version on the internet, because you're not gonna pay a for a game that you can find a "stolen" one for free somewhere on the internet. Simply put, you have no rights.
I really don't know what to say as a reply to the "charity" thing NuclearVision mentioned because I haven't read or seen anything more ignorant than that. Why the hell are you mixing between both? "shu 5as hay bi hay"? First of all, it's not like you're donating any $$ after downloading a cracked game. Second of all, if you want to donate, you go donate but it's completely unrelated to that money you're paying to the game dev company, you're free to do what ever you want with the rest of your money... Add to it, the idea of "trying the game" before buying it, you can go check gameplay videos online before buying it, that's not an excuse, at all. Hopefully no one will find a solution to "denuvo", maybe some people will have their morals back after seeing no cracked and patched games on the internet.
It applies to music and to movies. I torrent movies and tv shows for 1 single reason, simply because I have no other choice, I can't purchase digitally latest movies when they're release and I can't watch the latest tv shows live on TV or on the internet. Lebanon isn't part of the allowed countries, and usually it's USA only. If there's a solution, I'd subscribe and go the legal path day 1.
Nobody is seeing you downloading cracked software or games (or stealing a physical item) so you have a reason to do it? that's the problem itself, your mentality.
If you see a physical item at a store, would you go search/find a way to steal it? you won't! You see an phone, priced for 700$, you can't afford it, you'd go for a cheaper alternative or you'd save some money until you are able to buy it. The company decides what's the final price will be, you either buy it at that price, you wait till the price is cheaper or SIMPLY you DON'T buy it.
SAME FUCKING THING applies to software and games. The company behind the game priced it at some specific amount, wether it's single player only, multiplayer only, or both. You are free to buy it or not, they're not forcing you to buy it, that doesn't mean you can go download a cracked/patched version on the internet, because you're not gonna pay a for a game that you can find a "stolen" one for free somewhere on the internet. Simply put, you have no rights.
I really don't know what to say as a reply to the "charity" thing NuclearVision mentioned because I haven't read or seen anything more ignorant than that. Why the hell are you mixing between both? "shu 5as hay bi hay"? First of all, it's not like you're donating any $$ after downloading a cracked game. Second of all, if you want to donate, you go donate but it's completely unrelated to that money you're paying to the game dev company, you're free to do what ever you want with the rest of your money... Add to it, the idea of "trying the game" before buying it, you can go check gameplay videos online before buying it, that's not an excuse, at all. Hopefully no one will find a solution to "denuvo", maybe some people will have their morals back after seeing no cracked and patched games on the internet.
It applies to music and to movies. I torrent movies and tv shows for 1 single reason, simply because I have no other choice, I can't purchase digitally latest movies when they're release and I can't watch the latest tv shows live on TV or on the internet. Lebanon isn't part of the allowed countries, and usually it's USA only. If there's a solution, I'd subscribe and go the legal path day 1.
Nobody is seeing you downloading cracked software or games (or stealing a physical item) so you have a reason to do it? that's the problem itself, your mentality.
Apparently your brain is pickling. i am not willingnto explain post, other people got the idea.
Why would i ever pay the same amount for a cracked/buggy/incomplete/unsupported version of the game? The happiness is not because I'm supporting the devs or because I'm not stealing, it's because I'm getting a full version that is constantly supported and patched, hassle free and functional with online features such as cloud saves and multiplayer.NuclearVision wrotenot necessarly a game. a software maybe.
I was trying to elaborate something. The original poster says he's happy because he stopped pirating games.
Would it not bring more hapiness, and i mean way more hapiness, if you get to use the software, pirated in this case, keeping in mind you donated 90$ to charity!
Ease of use is why apple even exists, because they realized that some people will actually pay money to get a product that is easy to use and hassle free. (although I'm not a fan of apple practices)
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Hey thanks for the civilized reply first of all.
By Talking about apple or any other similar company, i think you mean iphones, ipads, and macs. Let us not talk about those because there aren't pirated versions of them that are used not even 80% similarly.
As for your reply to my post, i wasn't refering to games in particular, but rather software in general, no multiplayer or major need for support, let's say adobe products for example, I wasn't advising to donate your money, i was just trying to find where the happiness comes from.
Now you say you're happy because you get to enjoy your game to the fullest.
If there's was that game that offers the same but it is a pirated copy, would you still buy the original one, according to you, no, because you're not supporting the devs
For those who are willing to support the devs.
if there was a used game disc, would you buy it? if yes, and it most probably is, then sorry your cause is void.
By Talking about apple or any other similar company, i think you mean iphones, ipads, and macs. Let us not talk about those because there aren't pirated versions of them that are used not even 80% similarly.
As for your reply to my post, i wasn't refering to games in particular, but rather software in general, no multiplayer or major need for support, let's say adobe products for example, I wasn't advising to donate your money, i was just trying to find where the happiness comes from.
Now you say you're happy because you get to enjoy your game to the fullest.
If there's was that game that offers the same but it is a pirated copy, would you still buy the original one, according to you, no, because you're not supporting the devs
For those who are willing to support the devs.
if there was a used game disc, would you buy it? if yes, and it most probably is, then sorry your cause is void.
@silo_m8
From where are you downloading your games (Steam , Origin , MS Store) , for example Quantum Break will be an MS Store exclusive.
What is your internet subscription type ? For Example a 53 GB Game , how much will it take you to be downloaded ? What is your download strategy (unlimited traffic at night or another method) ? What is Your Download speed?
What is payment method ( A Dollar Master Debit Card linked to your salary account , or another type of card? Have you tried Maliks Internet Prepaid Internet Cards , will that work?
Thank You
From where are you downloading your games (Steam , Origin , MS Store) , for example Quantum Break will be an MS Store exclusive.
What is your internet subscription type ? For Example a 53 GB Game , how much will it take you to be downloaded ? What is your download strategy (unlimited traffic at night or another method) ? What is Your Download speed?
What is payment method ( A Dollar Master Debit Card linked to your salary account , or another type of card? Have you tried Maliks Internet Prepaid Internet Cards , will that work?
Thank You
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For downloading, my friend gamingindex on the forums downloads the files, you should contact him very nice guy, very helpful.Tech Guru wrote@silo_m8
From where are you downloading your games (Steam , Origin , MS Store) , for example Quantum Break will be an MS Store exclusive.
What is your internet subscription type ? For Example a 53 GB Game , how much will it take you to be downloaded ? What is your download strategy (unlimited traffic at night or another method) ? What is Your Download speed?
What is payment method ( A Dollar Master Debit Card linked to your salary account , or another type of card? Have you tried Maliks Internet Prepaid Internet Cards , will that work?
Thank You
I only buy keys for steam or gog, Ubisoft games are crap these last few years so no uplay, EA have really shitty buisness practices so I choose not to buy their games but the Origin experience is very nice, MS Store "apps" don't even have the basic pc features to be considered games.
For payment I use an Internet debit card from my bank. I use it for all my online payments that accept lebanon as an address.
@NuclearVision
The reason I mentioned apple products is to point out that ease of use is something people actually pay for.
As for professional products, such as CAD programs and content creation software. CAD programs are a real problem because licenses are meant for professional use and are priced accordingly, individuals are not the target customers and nobody expects the individual to afford such licenses. I'm a mechanical design engineer and I'm forced to pirate Autodesk products because all of the industry in lebanon is pirating them and expects me to use them, to stay ahead of the curve you are forced to deal with crashes and bugs: if a game crashes, no big deal, but if inventor crashes mid work session, that's hours of work gone, I wish I could do the same as I do with games.
As for content creation software like adobe creative suite, if you are making money out of these softwares, i dont think their subscription is too much, since your programs are always up to date, they have good customer support, and frankly the ease of use is worth it. But if you're just a hobbyist, there are free alternatives that are not as powerful but for free programs they are really good.
I'll say it again, since you're trying to find where the happiness comes from, it comes from ease of use of fully patched fully supported software with online features.
@silo_m8
Thank You for the Info My Friend.
1- Your Bank Internet Debt Card must be in Dollars / will it work if its is in LB? What bank , name of the card , and the cap you set for internet usage?
2-Gamingindex , downloads the files and he give it to you through a hard blue-ray copy or how , then you put in in the steam library folder and activate it through the steam key you have purchased , plz clarify to me the method.
Thank You for the Info My Friend.
1- Your Bank Internet Debt Card must be in Dollars / will it work if its is in LB? What bank , name of the card , and the cap you set for internet usage?
2-Gamingindex , downloads the files and he give it to you through a hard blue-ray copy or how , then you put in in the steam library folder and activate it through the steam key you have purchased , plz clarify to me the method.
1- bank audi, my account is in dollars so the card is in dollars, it's a Mastercard that is tied into a secondary account tied to your main account. You need to transfer money into it.Tech Guru wrote@silo_m8
Thank You for the Info My Friend.
1- Your Bank Internet Debt Card must be in Dollars / will it work if its is in LB? What bank , name of the card , and the cap you set for internet usage?
2-Gamingindex , downloads the files and he give it to you through a hard blue-ray copy or how , then you put in in the steam library folder and activate it through the steam key you have purchased , plz clarify to me the method.
2- for steam, there is a feature called steam backup, he backs up the game and I take it on an external and restore it on my pc. That simple.
For origin, you copy the files their appropriate paths and start the download, it will recognize the files and finish.
Uplay is paranoid so it will force you to re-download.
Will only take one good crack though. Once a protection is fully defeated that's it. Denuvo encrypts the exe and modifies the encryption on the fly.If its going to be successful it needs support from the whole industry but with platforms like GOG and their DRM free stance its not going to happen.Steam could do more to stop piracy as nearly all cracks are from Steam.The industry must be loving it at present as there's no working solution for the consoles and tightening on PC.Piracy is as old as the computer games industry itself and will always be.DM gave up on Denuvo and their cracks were never 100%, They are only a P2P group too and not scene. Their releases were carrying malware too. Wont happen at present until someone comes up with a complete solution for Denuvo. 3DM used a emulation method to fool the protection, they didnt actually crack Denuvo.
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3DM is said to be bought by the different games companies to not work on a crack, but other Russian and Chinese hackers are competing to see who will be 1st to crack Denuvo, the thing is that the more difficult it's to crack and the more hackers want to crack it because it will be ground breaking win for them. And as you said, once one Denuvo game is cracked all the others will fall like a domino trackTech Guru wroteWill only take one good crack though. Once a protection is fully defeated that's it. Denuvo encrypts the exe and modifies the encryption on the fly.If its going to be successful it needs support from the whole industry but with platforms like GOG and their DRM free stance its not going to happen.Steam could do more to stop piracy as nearly all cracks are from Steam.The industry must be loving it at present as there's no working solution for the consoles and tightening on PC.Piracy is as old as the computer games industry itself and will always be.DM gave up on Denuvo and their cracks were never 100%, They are only a P2P group too and not scene. Their releases were carrying malware too. Wont happen at present until someone comes up with a complete solution for Denuvo. 3DM used a emulation method to fool the protection, they didnt actually crack Denuvo.
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So I've decided to buy GTAV..
I found @ pcandparts this thing:
Grand Theft Auto V CD Key For Steam $45.00TTC
At steam it's 60$ Anyone know the difference here? And Anyone has brought software from pcandparts before?
I found @ pcandparts this thing:
Grand Theft Auto V CD Key For Steam $45.00TTC
At steam it's 60$ Anyone know the difference here? And Anyone has brought software from pcandparts before?
I think you should wait till its on sale, last time it was 30$ on steam.scorz wroteSo I've decided to buy GTAV..
I found @ pcandparts this thing:
Grand Theft Auto V CD Key For Steam $45.00TTC
At steam it's 60$ Anyone know the difference here? And Anyone has brought software from pcandparts before?
