Well the title pretty much sums up what I want to talk about! Today my friend died on the road because of excessive drinking!
Am not trying to say it's not his fault but shouldn't the so called "dawleh" put at least to or 3 cops in front a couple of pubs/night club to check if someone is in driving state?

What are your thoughts on the matter?
I feel sorry for your friend, but you simply can't blame the so called "Dawleh". Simply, it's 100% your friend's fault, he shouldn't drink and drive.

If I were to blame some people which are related for his death, I would definitely blame his parents before I even think of blaming the government.
My condolences, MDL. Sorry for your loss. I have lost too many friends in car crashes, either driving under the influence or speed racing. Saddest part is that no one related to those friends of mine believes it's entirely their fault. It's part of denial. No offense, but I kind of agree with m0ei with this, it's 100% your friend's fault. Come to think of it, I still don't get this whole "drinking outside home" experience. But again and again, sorry for your loss.
I understand you point guys, and I'm not really in denial since I know it's his fault (and his parents) but what I'm trying to say is this:
If we had people checking the alcohol level of people driving this might (I insist on the might) have saved my friend's life! I mean if the state were doing this, he wouldn't have drank too much!

PS: He passed by "jesr el madfoun" the army saw him and his friends in the car completely drunk yet they let him pass without saying anything!
Three individuals are at fault here, himself, his friends, and his parents respectively.

The government did put out lots of advertisements about speeding and drunk driving, but let's face it, he knows of it, yet he went through it!

EDIT: Not to mention he put his friend's life and other people lives in danger.
First my condolances

Second i doubt the "dawleh" will do any help.

If pub owners had anysense of moral, they could actually keep an eye on their customers and order taxi's for those people who are clearly not fit to drive - or better yet stop selling them drinks. Then again i doubt this will happen.

DUI deaths still happen outside of Lebanon even with countires that have good well enforced governements, so yeah just keep that in mind.

I believe your friend should have had a bit more self-discipline.
Although in some countries there exists more enforcement against stopping drinking drivers. Still the non existence of that does not verify at all what your friend and his friends. Even with the absence of law enforcement people are supposed to be mature and responsible enough for what they do in order to keep themselves safe.

In my opinion putting 3 cops in front a couple of pubs/night club to check if someone is in driving state is like employing baby sitters to deal with babies who don't know right from wrong. Whoever wants to drink is supposed to drink responsibly.

Anyways I am sorry for your friend, its really sad to see youth, supposed to be the future of the nation getting lost every day.
the government should be responsible and make sure nobody drives while drunk.

not only to protect the stupid people that drink and driver but the people who are on the road just going home.
I'm really sorry.
Lebanon has low standards when it comes to safety. Not only drinking, but also hospitals having very low standards, corruption, kickbacks, and the apathy of the judicial and police making this possible.

That is why I wish to continue my life in another, more modern country.

Drunk driving happens in every country of the world, but in every other country that I can think of, the Police actively does more then here to stop it. A car weights over a ton, and a drunk driver can kill a lot of other persons, in addition to himself.

I'm at a loss of words for all the idiots here who are saying that it's his fault and giving lectures to the dead, at this point in time, and in this context. You people deserve such a country.
1- What dawleh?
2- As i was leaving 'So' restaurant, a drunken woman was in the line to get her car.
She fell down a couple of times and everyone knew she was drunk.
The 'valet' carried her to the car and put her in the driver seat.
She was driving right in frot of me and was hitting cars left and right.
I could not pass all i was doing was driving slowly and hitting the horn hoping she pulls over or wakes up.
Then she made a turn taking 2-3 mirrors with her.
I left, who can to blame?
Myself for not doing anything?
The restaurant bad management?
The horrible valet guys?
The stupid woman who might have been killed?
Monkey D. Luffy wroteshouldn't the so called "dawleh" put at least to or 3 cops in front a couple of pubs/night club to check if someone is in driving state?
I'm sorry for your loss.

What your asking for is not only not doable, no country in the world does it. Yes they do have alcohol tests but that doesn't stop people from drinking and it will definitely not stop people from driving. Out of 100 drunk clubbers, how many do you actually think would care about this?

Again I'm sorry but the entire fault here is on your late friend and his grieving parents.

I hope everyone takes this as a lesson.

1- Drink responsibly, don't over do it.
2- Don't drink and/then drive
3- If you're planning to get drunk, make sure you have a designated driver.
xterm wroteAgain I'm sorry but the entire fault here is on your late friend and his grieving parents.
If:
Country A has an alcohol related fatal car accident rate of 2% and they have multiple measures against drunk driving, including sobriety checkpoints, education campaigns for both law enforcement and drivers about the topic, proper training and equipment to tackle the problem, harsh laws against drunk driving, and many other things.
Country B has an alcohol related fatal car accident rate of 5% and they do not take any initiative against it.

Who are you going to blame for the difference? The drivers?

I have no sympathy for drunk drivers. They can kill many people in their idiocy. But I have no sympathy either for people who put all the blame on a dead person, instead of shouldering some kind of civic collective responsibility and looking at it from such perspective.

And what about the parents, how is it their fault?
first of all, i know one of the three who passed away, the only son for his mother. And let me tell you, both his parents tried their best to keep him from drinkimg irresponsibly, but you know it is kind of a trend these days :s
i myself witnessed 3 accidents in the bridge facing my house this month alone, all being fatal ( about 6 deaths in total just this month!)
my big brother last year died on my birthday because of irressponsible racing drivers! he's only fault was sitting with a friend in his PARKED car, where out of no where 2 racing cars hit him (yes 2 not one) and threw his car out of the cornish and into the rocks in the sea.
i cannot blame il dawle with this particular accicdent, i only can blame the reckless drivers for killing my brother.
but i surely can blame the dawle for a lot of fatal accidents! no speed radars or proper road blocks! no lighting in most of the roads! and lets not forget the biggest shit of them all, the driving exams!
Allah yrhamon, and for the rest please be responsible while driving, it takes just few.seconds to kill somebody, and make the parents live the pain for the rest of their lifes.
He is an adult. Adults are supposed to take responsibility of their actions. You can never blame the government if you did something wrong. If a burglar came and robbed a supermarket, do you blame the government cause they didn't assign a cop to just guard that supermarket?
Metalloy wrotemy big brother last year died on my birthday because of irressponsible racing drivers! he's only fault was sitting with a friend in his PARKED car, where out of no where 2 racing cars hit him (yes 2 not one) and threw his car out of the cornish and into the rocks in the sea.
I'm sorry for your loss. My mother died a little over a year ago, at the hands of very dubious doctors in a very dubious hospital, in suspect circumstances, following cosmetic surgery.
MrClass wroteHe is an adult. Adults are supposed to take responsibility of their actions. You can never blame the government if you did something wrong. If a burglar came and robbed a supermarket, do you blame the government cause they didn't assign a cop to just guard that supermarket?
When an airliner crashes and 200 person die, and they discover that the pilot did a piloting mistake, they don't just blame him and move on. They try to find out why and how it could get there, and make changes so that it will not happen in the future, because this is not supposed to happen.

Well except in communist Russia for example. They would jail the pilot for life if he survives. It's cheaper and easier than opening an investigation to really understand what happened.

There is something called safety and you're supposed to improve that if you can. Of course some people in "high places" consider it less fun than sitting on their lazy ass and collecting money.

But spontaneously blaming a dead person and his parents, who are probably the most affected and grief-struck and then moving on is just, I think, a grand way to get away from the collective responsibility we share in making our country a better and safer place - if we consider it to be our country.
rolf wroteWho are you going to blame for the difference? The drivers?
Yes, the drivers in both cases. They are drivers, hence they have licenses, the legal driving age in lebanon is 18. 18 is mature enough to exhibit the minimum judgement necessary for one's safety.

But I have no sympathy either for people who put all the blame on a dead person, instead of shouldering some kind of civic collective responsibility and looking at it from such perspective.
I'm sorry if you find my reasoning offending or incorrect, no matter how much you try posting statistics on road fatalities, I cannot for the life of me understand how it's not the drunk driver's fault.

Yes we live in a shit country. Here's a scenario for you:

I'm driving drunk on roads with no lighting, I hit a wall and die.

My fault.

I'm driving sober on roads with no lighting, I hit a wall and die (Highly unlikely, if there's no lights one should be RESPONSIBLE enough to drive slowly)

Government's fault.
And what about the parents, how is it their fault?
I'll avoid answering this because this is an entire huge debate by itself, we'll probably open a new topic some time and discuss such things.
When an airliner crashes and 200 person die, and they discover that the pilot did a piloting mistake, they don't just blame him and move on. They try to find out why and how it could get there, and make changes so that it will not happen in the future, because this is not supposed to happen.
You can't use that as a comparison. Unintentional human error is way different than an intentional error. Drinking beyond reason is an intentional error unless his friends replaced his water with a drink without him knowing so (and that would be impossible anyway).
Well you know in France for example they put 2 cops in front of each night club in summer just to prevent these accident from happening! I saw it on a reportage made recently by M6 (or TF1 I forgot which one)
Thus I felt that in this country they should do this more often! And they should also advertise more about Don't drink&Drive!
This "propaganda" could have saved countless lives!