An Armenian can learn any language in the world except Arabic :P , and they are known for that.Mr. Anderson wrotei find it very weird and annoying that a 25 yrs old Lebanese of Armenian descent, born in Lebanon and lived in Lebanon all his life, has problem speaking the country language.
This only applies to Armenians.
i wonder why?
Diaspora had a very big effect on Armenians, i can understand that, but they have been living in this country for over 60 years, for gods sake, '2allam 2arabi'
Armenians in Lebanon.
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@Mr. Anderson
Armenians can't speak Arabic or any other language such as Chinese well, because most Armenians environment is abundant of people speaking only Armenian, thus they don't get to talk Arabic or Chinese much and just like any other thing in this life, without practice you tend to forget or even not learn the thing properly.
Armenians mainly are encouraged to talk Armenian all the time to not let the language , tradition etc... to die.
If you are wondering why in Armenians can't tell the difference between "Hayda" and "Haide" very simply because in the armenian language there isn't any he or she, at least that is what i concluded ...
by the way am technically Armenian, "ou sad2ne be7ke a7san menak 3arab, sa3et al badak ba3tik daress, eh be3jbak" :P
I don't magically talk Arabic well, just like you i went to an Arabic school, so you have no advantage over me unlike most Armenians.
@arithma
Just like Lebanese Christian, they are just bunch of hypocrite. No kidding I have yet to meet a person who is a Christian, and had actually read the Bible!
Armenians can't speak Arabic or any other language such as Chinese well, because most Armenians environment is abundant of people speaking only Armenian, thus they don't get to talk Arabic or Chinese much and just like any other thing in this life, without practice you tend to forget or even not learn the thing properly.
Armenians mainly are encouraged to talk Armenian all the time to not let the language , tradition etc... to die.
If you are wondering why in Armenians can't tell the difference between "Hayda" and "Haide" very simply because in the armenian language there isn't any he or she, at least that is what i concluded ...
by the way am technically Armenian, "ou sad2ne be7ke a7san menak 3arab, sa3et al badak ba3tik daress, eh be3jbak" :P
I don't magically talk Arabic well, just like you i went to an Arabic school, so you have no advantage over me unlike most Armenians.
@arithma
Just like Lebanese Christian, they are just bunch of hypocrite. No kidding I have yet to meet a person who is a Christian, and had actually read the Bible!
@ rtp
Don't take this personal, i didnt mean that all armenians dont know how to speak arabic.
Anyway, what i m saying is that the majority of armenians go to armenian schools, the majority of their friends are armenian. they try to go to armenians to accomplish their daily tasks (fix the car, shopping....)
People who suffered diaspora tend to behave like that, just like the jews, but i find their behavior unethical and unfair for Lebanon, who offered them shelter and took them with no prejudice.
And Lebanese are for them "Ibn arab" as they always tend to differentiate themselves from their fellow Lebanese citizens
Again, in my opinion, this applies to at least 50% of Armenian in Lebanon.
Please note that all my close friends are Armenians, hell, i even understand armenian but can't speak!
Don't take this personal, i didnt mean that all armenians dont know how to speak arabic.
Anyway, what i m saying is that the majority of armenians go to armenian schools, the majority of their friends are armenian. they try to go to armenians to accomplish their daily tasks (fix the car, shopping....)
People who suffered diaspora tend to behave like that, just like the jews, but i find their behavior unethical and unfair for Lebanon, who offered them shelter and took them with no prejudice.
And Lebanese are for them "Ibn arab" as they always tend to differentiate themselves from their fellow Lebanese citizens
Again, in my opinion, this applies to at least 50% of Armenian in Lebanon.
Please note that all my close friends are Armenians, hell, i even understand armenian but can't speak!
Oh yeah, Lebanon offered SO MUCH to them...Mr. Anderson wrote@ rtp
Don't take this personal, i didnt mean that all armenians dont know how to speak arabic.
Anyway, what i m saying is that the majority of armenians go to armenian schools, the majority of their friends are armenian. they try to go to armenians to accomplish their daily tasks (fix the car, shopping....)
People who suffered diaspora tend to behave like that, just like the jews, but i find their behavior unethical and unfair for Lebanon, who offered them shelter and took them with no prejudice.
Besides, since when is this a communist country (it's hardly a country at all), where people have the obligation to do their daily work in accordance to what is best and "fair" for the rest of the country, and have to keep this concern in their mind for even the smallest tasks and decisions, such as what garage to pick to repair their car.
How about people in general start by not throwing their garbage everywhere and polluting the atmosphere and disturbing silence and peace.
>greentextingMonkey D. Luffy wrote>Be living in north lebanon
>never saw an armenian
>???????
>Profit?
So I have nothing to say since i never saw an armenian and never dealt with them xD
you're doing it wrong
It is unfair to compare Armenians with other refugees in Lebanon. The first reason is that not all Armenians were considered as refugees. For instance, the Armenians that were brought here by the French were not regarded as refugees, but rather as a new local Christian and Ethnic group, they were given lands as part of an international agreement. Again I am not referring to the immigrants of 1916. The second reason is that, in MY OPINION, the Armenians are hard working people, some literally came here with NOTHING, and look at the community they have established.
The genocide was in 1915 not 16, and ALL came with nothing.Leonedes wroteIt is unfair to compare Armenians with other refugees in Lebanon. The first reason is that not all Armenians were considered as refugees. For instance, the Armenians that were brought here by the French were not regarded as refugees, but rather as a new local Christian and Ethnic group, they were given lands as part of an international agreement. Again I am not referring to the immigrants of 1916. The second reason is that, in MY OPINION, the Armenians are hard working people, some literally came here with NOTHING, and look at the community they have established.
Armenians are considered Lebanese people.
It's like black people being with white people.
@Leonedes: An international treaty is just that: a method that allowed the big players to play with the pawns.
By your logic, the Israel state is just, it was established by an international treaty.
Never the less, the Armenians, from what I've seen, and if they can be called collectively, have established themselves as respectable neutral citizens to an extent.
All I was trying to allude to on the other hand is the unjust nature of living that the Palestinians had to endure, and perhaps if they were given the chance (to own, to work, to aspire professionally) we wouldn't have had such unnatural phenomenon around the places where they reside.
Anyway, I didn't want to take away from this thread, or hijack or anything. It's just that I thought it's an interesting to highlight segue: Nurture eases social integration.
By your logic, the Israel state is just, it was established by an international treaty.
Never the less, the Armenians, from what I've seen, and if they can be called collectively, have established themselves as respectable neutral citizens to an extent.
All I was trying to allude to on the other hand is the unjust nature of living that the Palestinians had to endure, and perhaps if they were given the chance (to own, to work, to aspire professionally) we wouldn't have had such unnatural phenomenon around the places where they reside.
Anyway, I didn't want to take away from this thread, or hijack or anything. It's just that I thought it's an interesting to highlight segue: Nurture eases social integration.
@Arithma, I was completely agreeing with you, which is why I stated 'it is unfair to compare them with other refugees'.arithma wroteAll I was trying to allude to on the other hand is the unjust nature of living that the Palestinians had to endure, and perhaps if they were given the chance (to own, to work, to aspire professionally) we wouldn't have had such unnatural phenomenon around the places where they reside.
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alright guys, here's the problem about armenians not being able to speak arabic, the armenian language is a very simple language that can be learned easily, compared to arabic, theres a difference of a mountain and a valley, you can't simply talk arabic when you're talking armenian whole day, which does not have he\she, in arabic sometimes the whole word changes when the word becomes plural, that does not exist in armenian, we still use the same word + add a few letters at the end regardless of the word or gender, we don't use a whole different word like in arabic
but the biggest problem here is that armenians go to armenian school where arabic learned in schools is "poor", teachers base on armenian more than they do in arabic
other reasons is that we like to talk armenian because its much more comfortable trying to explain something to your armenian friend in armenian than arabic, in fact sometimes we can't explain it at all
to be honest, we can't even speak our language completely, we tend to mix english,armenian and arabic all together in one sentence :P
but the biggest problem here is that armenians go to armenian school where arabic learned in schools is "poor", teachers base on armenian more than they do in arabic
other reasons is that we like to talk armenian because its much more comfortable trying to explain something to your armenian friend in armenian than arabic, in fact sometimes we can't explain it at all
to be honest, we can't even speak our language completely, we tend to mix english,armenian and arabic all together in one sentence :P
Haha, yeah.. typical lebanese: "hi, kifkoun? cava?" or "bon-weekend".shant wrotewe tend to mix english,armenian and arabic all together in one sentence :P
@Shant, since you are born in lebanon, you should speak arabic like any lebanese, but the thing is you are taught the Armenian language before the Lebanese one, and you talk it so much in your daily life with your Armenian friends of course that you can not speak Arabic fluently
i dont have a problem with people preserving their roots and languages, but acting "All Armenian" in a country other than Armenia(Lebanon) is simply unacceptable.
i can understand if you left armenia when you were a teenager and moved to lebanon and had a hard time learning arabic; but being born in lebanon to a parents also born in lebanon and not being able to speak the country language tells a lot about the Armenian society
i dont have a problem with people preserving their roots and languages, but acting "All Armenian" in a country other than Armenia(Lebanon) is simply unacceptable.
i can understand if you left armenia when you were a teenager and moved to lebanon and had a hard time learning arabic; but being born in lebanon to a parents also born in lebanon and not being able to speak the country language tells a lot about the Armenian society
Don't come down too hard on people trying to preserve their heritage. Additionally later generations would have been naturally affected by what their parents have spoken. The fact that most Armenians are concentrated in one geographic area does not help at all - They'll naturally not interact with arab speaking people for quite a while.
its hard for us to communicate in arabic, people think we communicate in armenian because we're talking against them or are being racist, thats nonsense, its because we have a difficulty expressing something in arabic, as for being born in lebanon and not being able to speak arabic, blame that on the society our parents and surroundings raised us onMr. Anderson wrote@Shant, since you are born in lebanon, you should speak arabic like any lebanese, but the thing is you are taught the Armenian language before the Lebanese one, and you talk it so much in your daily life with your Armenian friends of course that you can not speak Arabic fluently
i dont have a problem with people preserving their roots and languages, but acting "All Armenian" in a country other than Armenia(Lebanon) is simply unacceptable.
i can understand if you left armenia when you were a teenager and moved to lebanon and had a hard time learning arabic; but being born in lebanon to a parents also born in lebanon and not being able to speak the country language tells a lot about the Armenian society
..because Lebanese people of Arab origin can still write proper Arabic these days....
Lebanon will never be a normal country if every neighborhood have its own language, traditions and culture,
"walla byefham ziad ra7bani" تنين لبنانيي مش تنين هيدولي واحد وواحد
"walla byefham ziad ra7bani" تنين لبنانيي مش تنين هيدولي واحد وواحد
@Ziko totally agree hehe...
Moreover, I'd like to point out that, IMO, Lebanon's cultural diversity, is exactly what makes this country special. Take that any way you want. I'd rather keep it like that :)
Moreover, I'd like to point out that, IMO, Lebanon's cultural diversity, is exactly what makes this country special. Take that any way you want. I'd rather keep it like that :)
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You don't know what you want. By nature humans want people who are similar to them.eurybaric wrote@Ziko totally agree hehe...
Moreover, I'd like to point out that, IMO, Lebanon's cultural diversity, is exactly what makes this country special. Take that any way you want. I'd rather keep it like that :)
same feather flock together.
We feel comfortable with the people that are like us.
So what you are stating is more like poetic bullshit
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Well, Thanks for calling my opinion bullshit. I guess what you are referring to as "poetic bullshit" applies to Quebec (or basically all of Canada) , Australia, Argentina, the U.S.A.... Yea I guess those poor souls are living some "poetic bullshit" as well. :)
EDIT: And let me add something: Multiculturalism in Lebanon is a fact. A little proof is this thread. It doesnt have anything to do with patriotism, don't confuse the two. Armenians, for example (I thoroughly believe), are as patriotic to Lebanon as the Druze are. Both are totally different cultures, both are Lebanese and patriotic.
EDIT: And let me add something: Multiculturalism in Lebanon is a fact. A little proof is this thread. It doesnt have anything to do with patriotism, don't confuse the two. Armenians, for example (I thoroughly believe), are as patriotic to Lebanon as the Druze are. Both are totally different cultures, both are Lebanese and patriotic.
don't take it too personal tho, you will live ^_^
i can refer to the african americans and the mexicans in usa. How each have their own cities, towns and stuff.
i can refer to the african americans and the mexicans in usa. How each have their own cities, towns and stuff.