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@Khaled: Like Beej said, definitely steer clear from “HD 6870” sell it and get either “7950 or 7970” vanilla ones are descent enough flash your “Bios to GHz Edition” and start having some fun Yalla :D.

Note: The “GHz Edition Bios”, already is popping out on lots of webs.

Cheers.
@rorosas: Yeah it is true, these price cuts will applied soon and for one reason only “AMD” is planning to release a new lineup of “Gpus, HD 8XXX Series” codenamed “Sea Islands”. Sea Islands will see the light mostly between Q4-2012 and Q1-2013.
good good . well looks like amd is planning something big
Yeah, and it is always been like “Two Tribes” going to war where everyone shows the best in his armory or he will lose and both battles each other in pricing.

Note: Mostly it used to be a sealed wins for “AMD” but nowadays even if “AMDs” cheaper than “Nvidia”, both still significantly “Pricier” from what we used to see in the past.
how would a price cut of 20 dollars mean that AMD is close to releasing a new series?
yasamoka wrotehow would a price cut of 20 dollars mean that AMD is close to releasing a new series?
tarek is right i checked some sites and they all said that in q4 2012 or q1 2013 the new 8000 series will be launched
@yasamoka: Mate, first I did not say that the “Release of the Sea Islands Lineup of Gpus” is the one and only reason behind the “Price Cuts” it is the “Genuine Reason” thus; also related to “Steer Customers” towards the “Face Lifted GE” and sure, their upcoming “7990”.

Note: The “GE” took the previous “7970 MSRP” even scaled that up with a +20$.

Edit: Not a single company tends to give a “Significant Price Cut” on any product unless if it is “Outdated or Huge Stocked”. You can buy a “GTX 480” for 200$ now, because of “Huge Stock / Outdated Product”. When on the other sides the “Huge Stock of 570’s” first, had screwed the “Launch of the 660” and delayed that launch until the 23rd of this month second, it is forcing Nvidia for an on and on “Price Cuts”. For example 2 weeks ago the 570DCuII price were 330$ now it is 310$ and in the next weeks it will hit the 280$ spot.

Cheers.
tarekelkhaledi wrote@yasamoka: Mate, first I did not say that the “Release of the Sea Islands Lineup of Gpus” is the one and only reason behind the “Price Cuts” it is the “Genuine Reason” thus; also related to “Steer Customers” towards the “Face Lifted GE” and sure, their upcoming “7990”.
The second part of this makes sense. They make way for the GE. But we expect that new cards (mostly going to be refreshes just like 4xx to 5xx Geforce series) will be here in December / January, especially for AMD. But considering that this time, 28nm was painful for both companies, I doubt that they will keep on track like they did with previous generations. I mean, look at Nvidia...July and they still haven't even released their midrange...680 is in good stock relatively and 690 is facing stock problems...while AMD have yet to release their dual GPU card. It's a mess.

Note: The “GE” took the previous “7970 MSRP” even scaled that up with a +20$.
The first 7970 MSRP was 550. Then it became 480, then 450. That's the 2nd MSRP you're talking about. $500 is reasonable for the product itself...not so much for the potential that it gives you over the 7970 "at stock", and not yet known if it actually overclocks better. Higher ASICs supposedly overclock with lower voltage but can't take too much voltage, thus they don't benefit much from exotic cooling (water+). However, lower ASICs require more voltage for same clocks but take voltage really well, and benefit much from cooling, and can reach higher clocks. I'm guessing this is what the MSI 7970 Lightning is suffering from. The EK 7970 Lightning water block should have been released now, but sadly it's not available to test this question: "do MSI bin their chips?"
http://www.ekwb.com/news/234/19/EK-FC7970-LTG-will-delay/
Edit: Not a single company tends to give a “Significant Price Cut” on any product unless if it is “Outdated or Huge Stocked”.
The biggest price cut for the 7970 was the 1st one, from 550 to 480. It wasn't about being outdated, and we can't know for sure if it was huge stocked (maybe it was). But it was not selling as much as before due to the release of the GTX680, so AMD decided to lower their price. And it was a good move.
@yasamoka: Mate, first everything make sense “Sea Islands Gpus” will be available in “Retail” at Q4-2012 or Q1-2013. You have made a mistake here man; “They Have not released their Mid-Range Lineup” well in fact this “Nvidia Lineup” is the “Mid-Range One” they did not “Released the High End” yet. Considering these facts, “AMD” is working on the “Sea Islands Line of Gpus”. Concerning the “7990” released date not yet confirmed thus, mostly will hit the stores in these upcoming two months.

Note: When I mentioned “7970 MSRP”, I was pointing at the current, since I already got the chance to know the prices days before the launch.

Edit: You cannot make sure that it is “Over Stocked”. Than why “EVGA GTX 480 & 570DCuII are Available?” man, I will say it again for you, what the 480 is facing right now it is plausible on the 570 models and because of that the “660” launch day was “Rescheduled” many times until finally they agreed on the 23rd of this month when the “660Ti” is scheduled for August.

Links:

"570 Overstock" http://www.kitguru.net/components/graphic-cards/faith/huge-gtx570-overstock-delays-gtx660-until-august/

"TigerDirect even “Bundling the 480” with “Combo Deals”

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&N=100006662&isNodeId=1&Description=gtx+480&x=0&y=0

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/search.asp?keywords=gtx+480
a month later
Final specs :
Intel Core i7 3770K
Asus Maximus V Formula
8GB Corsair Vengance
Asus Direct CUII GTX 660Ti

What's your next build ? :D
tarekelkhaledi wrote@yasamoka: Mate, first everything make sense “Sea Islands Gpus” will be available in “Retail” at Q4-2012 or Q1-2013. You have made a mistake here man; “They Have not released their Mid-Range Lineup” well in fact this “Nvidia Lineup” is the “Mid-Range One” they did not “Released the High End” yet. Considering these facts, “AMD” is working on the “Sea Islands Line of Gpus”. Concerning the “7990” released date not yet confirmed thus, mostly will hit the stores in these upcoming two months.
how do you know that Nvidia has a higher end to be released? as far as i know, the high end chip is only pegged to their compute oriented Tesla cards. there wasn't any announcement about a higher end gaming card.


Oh and on topic, installed recently the 670 DCII to round up my ivy bridge PC, pretty happy with it:)
it's not only the tri-gate transistors what made IB's hotter than SB's..

In IB's, intel uses a shitty thermal compound "TIM" to transfer heat between CPU die and it's IHS, it's an unexplained step from intel because they always use a method called "Fluxless Soldering" to attach the IHS for maximum heat transfer (as we know, transferring heat from metal-to-metal is extremely faster than metal-to-TIM-to-metal again)

In SB's intel used the Fluxless Soldering method while all IB's use TIM method, not only that, intel used extremely low quality ones, add tri-gate transistors to that combination and you'll get an oven under the hood !

Lots of mods are out there removing the IHS from the IB's and replacing the TIM with higher quality ones, a minimum of -10c on core #1 and 4~5c less on other cores, replacing the TIM with high-expensive diamond powder TIM that contains metal will fuse the surfaces between the die and the IHS and make it as cool as SB's and clock much higher..

Why intel used that method ? Marketing !
simply because a Fluxless-Soldered 3770k will eat their +1000$ extreme cpu's for launch !

They want us to be confused in our choice, should i get SB and clock it +5GHz ? or get an oven with PCIE 3.0 support ? or should i buy a 1000$ cpu ??

Think and make your choice..

Edit: I've made mine, a 2700k is the best choice for me, 5GHz means it's equal to a 3770k @ 4.6GHz, 5.2GHz SB = 4.8GHz IB and it's easy for SB to OC with a decent cooling while it's hard for an IB..
PCIE 3.0 ? who cares, even a GTX680 cant fully utilize 16x PCIE 2.0 !
MohammedSF wroteit's not only the tri-gate transistors what made IB's hotter than SB's..

In IB's, intel uses a shitty thermal compound "TIM" to transfer heat between CPU die and it's IHS, it's an unexplained step from intel because they always use a method called "Fluxless Soldering" to attach the IHS for maximum heat transfer (as we know, transferring heat from metal-to-metal is extremely faster than metal-to-TIM-to-metal again)

In SB's intel used the Fluxless Soldering method while all IB's use TIM method, not only that, intel used extremely low quality ones, add tri-gate transistors to that combination and you'll get an oven under the hood !

Lots of mods are out there removing the IHS from the IB's and replacing the TIM with higher quality ones, a minimum of -10c on core #1 and 4~5c less on other cores, replacing the TIM with high-expensive diamond powder TIM that contains metal will fuse the surfaces between the die and the IHS and make it as cool as SB's and clock much higher..

Why intel used that method ? Marketing !
simply because a Fluxless-Soldered 3770k will eat their +1000$ extreme cpu's for launch !

They want us to be confused in our choice, should i get SB and clock it +5GHz ? or get an oven with PCIE 3.0 support ? or should i buy a 1000$ cpu ??

Think and make your choice..

Edit: I've made mine, a 2700k is the best choice for me, 5GHz means it's equal to a 3770k @ 4.6GHz, 5.2GHz SB = 4.8GHz IB and it's easy for SB to OC with a decent cooling while it's hard for an IB..
PCIE 3.0 ? who cares, even a GTX680 cant fully utilize 16x PCIE 2.0 !
I'm not sure i agree with your reasoning here.
Concerning ivy's thermal issues, it might very well be a cost cutting measure rather than a marketing trick from intel to put in the underperforming thermal compound on Ivy.
Even if ivy could be clocked extremely high, it simply cannot match their 6-core extreme range in highly threaded applications, whose users are the ones targeted by SB-E. The cpus operate in different markets and are intended for different users. There's not that much cannibalism going on between intel products.

And regarding your choice of cpu, i'd have said go Ivy definitely. Being future proof with pci3 , native usb 3.0, better integrated gpu (great for quicksync) etc..surely beats a small overclocking advantage?
And even then, as you mentioned with ivy at 4.6, you have to get SB above 5 Ghz for any added benefit, not that easy even for Sandy. how that translates into real world performance outside of benchmarks will be hardly tangible too, while pci 3.0 will enable you if you wish to SLI or xfire with both cards running at 16X PCIE 2.0 bandwidth even on the cheaper motherboards.
a month later
Final Specs I got/built and I'm using right now:

CPU : Intel Core i7 3770K
RAM : 8GB Corsair Vengeance 1600 Kit
GFX card : Sapphire AMD Radeon HD 7970 OC
Motherboard : Asus Maximus V Formula (None Thunder FX version as I found it to be useless)
Cooling : 4xCooler Master SickleFlow 12CM fans for case + CPU cooler

Parts I'm still using:
Thermaltake Contact 29 cooler
InWin IRP-COM750
Thermaltake V3 Black edition case (May upgrade in the near future)
Optical drives
WD Black drive (May add more storage later or a possible SSD)

Small Reviews :

3770K : Pros - Very fast, 22nm, supports new PCIe3 technology
Cons - Runs very hot if stock internal TP isn't replaced. I'm running at 4.1GHz with my cooler and it reaches in 80s
Vengeance : Pros - Very fast, great overclocking (As I've heard)
Cons - The RAM sticks are big and have blocked a little off my CPU fan. I'd advise you to get the low profile versions.
Maximus : Pros: - EPIC motherboard with awesome features and sound. Has lots of software included such as an AV WinZip ect.
Cons - Like most Asus motherboards, the stock BIOS had to be updated to resolve some stability issues.
- Daemon Tools gave me an "invalid key" error, WinZip never had a key, and Kaspersky made my PC very slow
- Included ROG software is very buggy and constantly crashes.
7970 : Pros - Very fast card! AMD has improved amazingly over the years and that's coming out from me (An Nvidia Fan boy)
Cons - Has coil whine.