mmm well yes ....



I think it wouldnt be a bad idea to let this pass
xterm wroteHopefully it will never be applied.

Thanks
I have mixed feelings about it too--I want the extra quota, but when it becomes a free for all, it doesn't usually work out for the end user. I wish they would have doubled the quotas for example, until at least the bottlenecks in the network are worked out.
Raficoo wrotethis is what happens to me each month from Facebook, reading blogs, general browing and some youtube
http://i42.tinypic.com/xd8fvl.png
I have been paying extra like this since day one of DSL(my case 2007)
Raficoo--is the 10 gig plan available in your centraal--that costs 32K and gives you more quota to work with and maybe reduce your overages?
Unlimited Night Traffic means only one thing: Everyone is abusing the bandwidth.

I myself, do not consume much per month but when I do, I want my connection to be of great quality. I used to get that with Ogero, but as of a few months ago (hint: decree) I haven't had any decent service whatsoever.

The difference between Ogero and other ISPs was that Ogero did not provide Unlimited night traffic. If this passes, you may as well kiss all your online gaming goodbye.
xterm wroteUnlimited Night Traffic means only one thing: Everyone is abusing the bandwidth.

I myself, do not consume much per month but when I do, I want my connection to be of great quality. I used to get that with Ogero, but as of a few months ago (hint: decree) I haven't had any decent service whatsoever.

The difference between Ogero and other ISPs was that Ogero did not provide Unlimited night traffic. If this passes, you may as well kiss all your online gaming goodbye.
Amen
Kassem wrote
Raficoo wroteI have been paying extra like this since day one of DSL(my case 2007)
You cannot possibly consume this amount of bandwidth with regular usage. Are you sure your LAN is not cracked by some neighbor of yours?
2 users at home, and I'm pretty sure not cracked, switched to WPA2 long ago :)
xterm wroteUnlimited Night Traffic means only one thing: Everyone is abusing the bandwidth.

I myself, do not consume much per month but when I do, I want my connection to be of great quality. I used to get that with Ogero, but as of a few months ago (hint: decree) I haven't had any decent service whatsoever.

The difference between Ogero and other ISPs was that Ogero did not provide Unlimited night traffic. If this passes, you may as well kiss all your online gaming goodbye.
I beg to differ. In 90% of countries of the "civilized" world they have unlimited quota 24/7, and their gaming latency is always adequate for gaming.
cullinan86 wroteI beg to differ. In 90% of countries of the "civilized" world they have unlimited quota 24/7, and their gaming latency is always adequate for gaming.
No matter how much you beg to differ that my logic doesn't apply outside Lebanon, my statement holds correct, granted, well we do live in Lebanon.

Everyone uses the internet for his own needs, I myself do not need unlimited quota, neither night or 24/7. All I want is a decent connection where my speed wouldn't drop to 3KBps at peak hours.

My days of "I want to download the Internetz" have ended at least 10 years ago.
xterm wroteUnlimited Night Traffic means only one thing: Everyone is abusing the bandwidth.
You do forget that a fraction of the users fully utilize their unlimited bandwidth at night. Not all people are going to be downloading at full speed for 7 hours every night.

For example, IDM used to justify 4GB of quota by saying that 90% of users use less than their allowed quota. Since they were catering for the majority, then they saw 4GB as reasonable. However, requirements change. I am a heavy downloader and I don't always have something to download at night. Especially when you have higher speeds, you would be able to download what you want in the first few hours.
I am with Xterm on this. What allowed Ogero to keep QoS was the fact that they didn't have unlimited downloads and double speeds. I am also not someone who cares about downloading. I care about low ping and connection stability.
Xterm, don't you think the QoS will stay the same at Ogero until 12:00am hits ? I mean maybe the pings will get higher only between 12:00am and 7:00pm. Outside that interval, things could remain the same as now.
I personally always consume my monthly quota. No matter how large it's going to be, I'll always consume it. But I also control my usage to exactly what I'm allowed to consume (my free quota). In the past, I used to cross the limit by a maximum of 1-2 GB, but I haven't in a long while. When I have something I really need to download, I usually ask one of my friends with unlimited night quota to do it for me. But that usually happens once every 2-3 months (whenever there is an interesting event by Microsoft, such as MIX11 or TechDays). Other than that, I'm totally fine with my 2Mbps / 20GB connection, so yeah I am with xterm and I have the same concerns if that decree passes.
The unlimited night traffic is really not worth it if it's gonna ruin the connection. It's far from enough for someone who really needs a lot to download. Still I think very few people play online games after midnight; at least my wow guild didn't, we always finished at 11:30.

There are tons of stuff that I can only watch online but I just have to let go. I currently consume 20GB per month with my brother WITHOUT downloading any of the major shows I would have liked to watch. Watching starcraft2 shows and streams needs around 30GB monthly. We don't even download the t.v. series we watch like family guy, or game of thrones (second season coming next month), we just buy them from some dvd shop on demand (I don't know from where this guy gets his internet). This is all without taking into account the anime (japanese cartoon) I'm currently following or those I would have liked to watch. I've actually stopped watching some really good anime shows after coming to Lebanon.

The real problem in Lebanon is that there is no real demand for a good internet connection. Most people are satisfied with what they have and have no real need for bigger quota.
As DG pointed out, the service MAY be affected only during the time unlimited downloads is allowed. Sodetel, if I'm not mistaken, combats this by FUP, slowing down the heavy users to a still fast enough speed. The problem with latency in all other ISPs, at least during the day, cannot be related to offering unlimited downloads. Even if bandwidth was suffering during the day, there's no reason why it should suffer during the night. Even in that case, unlimited downloads can still be offered.
it could be that in order to afford higher bandwidth (Because of the much higher night demand) they have to resort to buying bandwidth from satellite rather than fiber because it is cheaper. This way day internet could get affected.

Also, as you may have read many comments of people saying that they will switch to Ogero if it happens. They will also be using the internet during the day, straining the current capacity of the system.
I think were generalizing here

Im pretty sure that Ogero will FUP the abusers (even though it will be unlimited FREE night)

That being said, Ogero, why am i still on 256kbit connection; ive nagged on twitter to Sehnaoui about it, managed to get a reply, replied back but nothing, so now ive just passed all my research onto Ontornet; i hope they come up with some solution to these areas, or at least some compensation (im not asking for the impossible to happen, but it isn't fair that others enjoy the faster speeds and i don't at the same price)
babum wroteAlso, as you may have read many comments of people saying that they will switch to Ogero if it happens. They will also be using the internet during the day, straining the current capacity of the system.
You have a point. Let's hope this doesn't happen... or we can, kiss online gaming goodbye as xterm said.
Well I think it is going to be like that in the short term, lower speeds and very bad connection. But once Ogero settles down and increases capacity things will go back to normal.
The funny thing is that Ogero's connection has been bad for the past 2 months or so.
I get extremely low download speeds at night and speetest's page doesn't even load... and the unlimited night traffic is not even on yet.
If you're interested you could do like me :)

in lebanon we have ogero, and independent Isp right?

I don't use ogero, even if ogero gives you a very fast internet connection, it give 4 gb bandwidth per month, you know what lets assume it is 10 gb, not enough for me, it's enough if you just use facebook and these stuff, i waste 2gb of bandwidth per day lol,, coz i keep downloading and uploading stuff lol

what i did is go with an independent isp, which give a "good" speed, with 2 gb of bandwidth per day, and to boost my internet speed i use google dns, (you could use opendns, in my case google dns is better, it depends on your location)

and now i can fully load a 30m youtube video in 1m or less i have an internet speed about 5mb/s... you may say not as fast as ogero... i say i don't have to worry about my bandwidth
someone wroteIf you're interested you could do like me :)

in lebanon we have ogero, and independent Isp right?

I don't use ogero, even if ogero gives you a very fast internet connection, it give 4 gb bandwidth per month, you know what lets assume it is 10 gb, not enough for me, it's enough if you just use facebook and these stuff, i waste 2gb of bandwidth per day lol,, coz i keep downloading and uploading stuff lol

what i did is go with an independent isp, which give a "good" speed, with 2 gb of bandwidth per day, and to boost my internet speed i use google dns, (you could use opendns, in my case google dns is better, it depends on your location)

and now i can fully load a 30m youtube video in 1m or less i have an internet speed about 5mb/s... you may say not as fast as ogero... i say i don't have to worry about my bandwidth
I didn't understand what you did there. May you explain more clearly please?
I didn't understand what you did there. May you explain more clearly please?
I went with an independent isp, which gives you 2b of bandwith per day, but it is not as fast as ogero. there are a lot of independent isp companies

and i use google dns, instead of the default dns that i have, to boost the speed

https://developers.google.com/speed/public-dns/docs/using

please note that i am paying 45$