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Ok, so I took a look at the courses that AUB has to offer to complete a minor in BME at BE (Bachelor of Enginering) level.

It is expected to complete a minimum of 18 credits where the courses must meet the following requirements:

• EECE 401 [1 cr.]
• BIOL 201 [4 cr.]
• BIOL 202 or PHYL 246 [4 cr.]
• One core course [3 cr.] chosen from EECE 601, EECE 603, or MECH 633
• One elective course from list A below [3 cr.]
• One elective course from list A, B, or C below [3 cr.]

After checking with the course titles, the closest curriculum to that offered at Balamand is:

• EECE 401: Biomedical Engineering Seminar [1 cr.]
• BIOL 201: General Biology I [4 cr.]
• PHYL 246: Human Physiology for Paramedical and Undergraduate Students [4 cr.]
• EECE 601: Biomedical Engineering I i.e. Biomedical Instrumentation I (core course) [3 cr.]
• EECE 602: Biomedical Engineering II i.e. Biomedical Instruemtnation II (elective course from list A) [3 cr.]
• EECE 603: Biomedical Signal and Image Processing (another elective course from list A) [3 cr.]

Unfortunately, this is not enough; you have to compliment them with the following courses (additional 7 credits):
• EECE 693: Neural Networks (ok, I admit it, it's not offered at UOB but it's a crucial course... besides the material is a thrill!!)
• EECE 694: Digital Image Processing (extremely important)
• EECE 694L: Lab for course EECE 694

There you go 25 credits from AUB to have a good minor in BME. The ranking for AUB remains 3rd because of the credit cost (tuition) and the fact that there are some courses missing like optimization theory, linear systems, stochastic, etc... The missing number of credits is 21 (MS program needs 46 credits to complete), but if you complete your MS or ME that should be taken care of. Note that the remaining courses are actually common courses for all EE students at the Masters level.
rahmu, do you mean ESIB-USJ?

if so, what do you know about it?
Well thanks again for the info .. So I think I'm taking your advice of going into EE and then choosing for masters between continuing in computer, or biomedical, or industrial engineering !
Sure this plan technically works and is acceptable in colleges?
Let's hope for the best
What if I double major and work my a** off and get a degree in both computer and BME ?
jadf24 wroteSure this plan technically works and is acceptable in colleges?
Yep, no problem what so ever, and the union accepts the BE degree from AUB as a 5 year study (pre-requisite to join it).
jadf24 wroteWhat if I double major and work my a** off and get a degree in both computer and BME ?
Your funeral :P But yeah, if you got the funds and the aptitude, go for it although a BE in CCE and a minor in BME is a more reasonable alternative.
mesa177 wrote
jadf24 wroteSure this plan technically works and is acceptable in colleges?
Yep, no problem what so ever, and the union accepts the BE degree from AUB as a 5 year study (pre-requisite to join it).
I think you understood me wrong .. What I meant was are you sure it is possible that I can continue my masters in for example industrial or biomedical despite I have a minor BE degree in EE or CCE?
mesa177 wroterahmu, do you mean ESIB-USJ?

if so, what do you know about it?
Here's how it works at ESIB (USJ, yes).

First of all, teaching is dispensed in French, worth noting.


Then interesting part

ESIB is a 5 years program. There are various ways of getting in, at different stages of the program and depending on your background, but I'll only discuss the "standard" one here.

There are three ways to get accepted at ESIB. First is to get a 16/20 at either French or Lebanese baccalaureate. You get automatically in. Second is by sending your grades. Third one is by passing an entrance exam. (I don't know the ratios of each)

From the beginning you join one of two programs at ESIB, which are:
  • Génie Civil et Environnement
  • Génie Electro-mécanique
There is virtually no way of switching to the other program once you start.

First two years: Maths Sup et Maths Spé
First couple of years are common for the two "majors", with heavy emphasis on Maths, Physics and Chemistry. Courses cover Algebra, Calculus, Mechanics, Thermodynamics, Optics, Electronic Circuits, as well as an introductory course to Programming (this is where I discovered Matlab).

Final three years: Engineering years
This is where each major gets their specific courses. You also get to chose your specialization. Here are the choices:

Génie Civil
  • Batiments
  • Travaux Publics
  • Eau et environnement
Electro-mécanique
  • Informatique et réseaux
  • Telecom
  • Mécanique et électrique
  • Biomédical
Biomédical is the most selective one, with only 10 positions to fill. That's what I know. Note that my data date back from 2007, I'm not 100% positive it is completely accurate as of today :-)
jadf24 wrote
mesa177 wrote
jadf24 wroteSure this plan technically works and is acceptable in colleges?
Yep, no problem what so ever, and the union accepts the BE degree from AUB as a 5 year study (pre-requisite to join it).
I think you understood me wrong .. What I meant was are you sure it is possible that I can continue my masters in for example industrial or biomedical despite I have a minor BE degree in EE or CCE?
No I didn't get you wrong, the answer is yes you can complete your masters in industrial or biomedical engineering even with a BE degree in EE or CCE (the BE is not a minor degree, minor simply means additional specialty like biomedical engineering in addition to the major specialty EE or CCE; you cannot complete a minor specialty without completing at least 60 credits from the main program, being of at least sophomore standing, and having a minimum average of 70). There are other minor specialties, but they're too many to count.

@rahmu: thank you for the information :)
Oh okay thanks for the info it was really helpful
Based on you knowledge on the job offers, salaries, and market demand; what would you most advise me to choose between for later on ? Biomedical or industrial or computer? (I have no problem with any )
As well, I've been searching a lot on the internet about these majors. Bas regarding biomedical engineering everyone talks about being a 'technician' and looking for 'technician' jobs. Is this what biomedical engineering most probably lead to ? Or is being a technician just the primary job you take before really going to biomedical engineering ?
For the current market demand and job offers I would rank them in preference as such: computer, biomedical then industrial (eventhough the need for biomedical engineers is increasing, so is the need for computer engineers). But since alot of students are moving into the field, I would say that the market need will be met soon enough and then we would have more students than job offers. The biomedical engineering track, though tough to locate a job, is a less discovered specialty field.

If you're a risk taker, go for biomedical; if you want a safe job, go for computer.
hi... thanks for the very nice and useful information u gave... :D
but i want to ask u some questions..!
so it is an essential thing to continue masters in engineering and do not stop at Bachelor of science in biomedical engineering... and u advise me not to have masters in LIU uni!! as i stood.
another question is: if i want to open that medical company u told about in the future... how much it will cost?!!! knowing that as u said that these machines are expensive(200000 $ to 3 million $)
thank u.
basam.D wrotehi... thanks for the very nice and useful information u gave... :D
but i want to ask u some questions..!
so it is an essential thing to continue masters in engineering and do not stop at Bachelor of science in biomedical engineering... and u advise me not to have masters in LIU uni!! as i stood.
another question is: if i want to open that medical company u told about in the future... how much it will cost?!!! knowing that as u said that these machines are expensive(200000 $ to 3 million $)
thank u.
Almost all students who have completed their Bachelor of Sciences in any field of engineering and worked for a couple of months have found that it was necessary to complete their Masters degree in order to get ahead at work.

I didn't state that LIU is a bad choice to complete your Masters degree there (I've even ranked it second for a reason). I merely stated that due to the fact that financial support is hard to get and because of some negative feedbacks from the students currently studying there, it is not the ultimite choice. I'm not 100% sure if Dr. Diab is still teaching there, but if he is then you'll be in safe hands. On the other hand, there are other professors whom students have a hard time understanding their explanations. But you should be aware that each university has its sare of "staff problems" (even the glorious AUB). I personally found Balamand to be better because of their course offerings and financial aids permitted to graduate students. Plus, I had the chance to study with professors from various departments, and most of the staff has great academic background and is capable of conveying the message clearly (i.e. their explanation is exquisite).

As for starting your own medical company, you should not only consider the capital (which should be a minimum of 85,000,000 L.L if affiliating with a main foreign medical company or 100,000,000 L.L if you'll be another medical supplier) but also consider the other existing 35 to 40 medical companies who'll be your rivals in the industry. They have already established their names in the field and have their clients. If your starting up, you should either bring in equipment that no other company has selling rights for or you'll have to buy the exclusive selling rights from an already existing brand (just like two engineers who worked at Tamer Freres did with Karl Storz). You should also pay attention that some medical companies already have exclusive selling rights like GE Healthcare at Sad El-Bouchrieh and Fresenius Medical Care - Lebanon in Hamra.

If in the end you do gather the capital and your potential affiliates (exclusive or not), you then have your potential clients. You have to convince hospitals who have worked with other medical suppliers for probably over 10 years to switch services to your company: What do you have to offer that they don't?

My advice is to gain some experience in the work field, and then at an older age, say 45 to 50, when you have gathered capital, technical and business experience and business partners (not just the affiliating medical company but shareholders at your company: what if your comapny went bankrupt? you don't want to be responsible for all the losses cause you'll have to liquidate, i.e. sell in a public auction, your personal assests like your house and car to cover the expenses), as well as your personal list of clients, then you open your own company.
8 months later
Biomedical engineering is a new field but with a bright future . It deals with doing research into subjects like biology , chemistry , engineering subjects , maths etc . It is expected that the stream will rise at the rate of 72% for next ten years and will have thousands of jobs .Since , not may people are not ware of this field , i also refer you a link for further information on biomedical engineering , biomedical engineer
@sikander: the rate you gave only applies to the states and Europe. The interest in the field is rising, true, even in the middle east (especially in the gulf region), but mostly regarding sales. That's where the money is actually. As for the salary ranges mentioned, don't even dream about it (not even abroad, we joke about such figures in BME groups like on LinkedIn and embe forum).

mesa177 wroteAs for the salary ranges mentioned, don't even dream about it (not even abroad, we joke about such figures in BME groups like on LinkedIn and embe forum).
You are aware that those salaries are annual salaries in the USA? Because I find that those salaries are very reasonable for any engineer working in the USA or Europe (in western countries, a waste collector earns more than 30,000 USD a year).
Samer99 wrotehttp://abiomedicalengineer.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/graph3.jpg
mesa177 wroteAs for the salary ranges mentioned, don't even dream about it (not even abroad, we joke about such figures in BME groups like on LinkedIn and embe forum).
You are aware that those salaries are annual salaries in the USA? Because I find that those salaries are very reasonable for any engineer working in the USA or Europe (in western countries, a waste collector earns more than 30,000 USD a year).
very much aware, and yes they are figures based on studies of how much a biomedical engineer should be getting upon years of experience. Still, we don't... Not even BMETs who are considered the best in our field.
hey mesa :). how much biology do you actually know?
i am currently working on "protein folding" problem (actually i am implementing an algorithm on a cluster of GPUs) and i need help understanding some the biology concepts.
are you familiar with the problem?
@scatman: afraid my knowledge stops on identifying polypeptides and amino acid sequences, not how they form alpha helixes, betta sheets and tertiary structures. This sounds more in the domain of molecular biology. However, it sounds like an interesting subject, so I'll try to read more about it (I'm a bit familiar with the problem but not much).
5 months later
Hey guys,
I'm a second secondary student, and i really would like to know if genetic engineering is found in Lebanon?
And if it is, what universities teaches it?
A.M.A wroteHey guys,
I'm a second secondary student, and i really would like to know if GENETIC ENGINEERING is found in Lebanon!!?? And if it is, what universities teaches it??
Yes, according to Kassem's response within this thread, AUST has a genetic engineering program. However, to know more about it, I advise you to check with the dean of the Faculty of Engineering (or whoever is heading the program there).