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Ultrasound (You're definitely familiar with this one)
What ? you think we all are pregnent women ?! :P

good article, w belik kteer fadi !

BTW, we have a very prominent BME program at AUST. supervised by doctor ziad abi faraj. We have the one and only DNA lab in Lebanon .
J4D wrote
Ultrasound (You're definitely familiar with this one)
What ? you think we all are pregnent women ?! :P

good article, w belik kteer fadi !

BTW, we have a very prominent BME program at AUST. supervised by doctor ziad abi faraj. We have the one and only DNA lab in Lebanon .
God Jad, ultrasound is not only used for pregnant women you know, it can also be used to track blood flow in arteries.

As for the "article", I had to write it for 3 friends and one of the lebgeeks members. Since I'm constantly repeating myself, I thought why not write it and just hand them the link to the post next time they ask.

As for your BME program at AUST, this is new news to me. Please elaborate on the subject. When was the program founded? What kind of experiments do BME students conduct in the DNA lab?
Im joking !

Well if you remember the incident of the Ethiopian plane crash. all the DNA test samples were compared at AUST to know the family of each victim. the Lebanese investigative force also sometimes uses our labs to compare DNA samples from murderers and criminals. as for when was it founded, I don't know :)
J4D wroteas for when was it founded, I don't know
Please ask around Jad, much appreciated :)
J4D wroteall the DNA test samples were compared at AUST to know the family of each victim. the Lebanese investigative force also sometimes uses our labs to compare DNA samples from murderers and criminals.
Then it is used by medicine and medical lab students, but do the BME students get to perform preventive maintenance or testing of their own?

PS: About the joking part, forgive my rudeness, but I'm sick of the people who say: "Ah, pregnant ladies" when I even mention ultrasound (can't blame them, about 70% of the ultrasound application is targeted towards pregnant women and fetuses).
J4D wroteIm joking !

Well if you remember the incident of the Ethiopian plane crash. all the DNA test samples were compared at AUST to know the family of each victim. the Lebanese investigative force also sometimes uses our labs to compare DNA samples from murderers and criminals. as for when was it founded, I don't know :)
I believe it was founded at least 4 years ago. Before I actually decided to go for an MIS degree, I started as a biology student in LU - Faculty Of Sciences. I had plans to either proceed with a medicine degree or a genetic engineering degree. I took a genetics course in my second semester and I fell in love with it. Hence I started researching my options and AUST was the only available option, otherwise I'll have to travel and study genetic engineering abroad. After doing the math I ruled out the studying abroad option because that would've cost me at least $40,000 per year (or for free in Iran, but the language issue didn't appeal to me). Then I checked the AUST genetic engineering program and I was really impressed, but it wasn't totally approved by the ministry at that time so... my dream hit the wall and literally shattered.

But then again, I'm doing MIS now and I'm very satisfied with it. I love programming and building software so I might go for Software Engineering degree next year (after I'm done with my MIS BS this year). I'll have to check with UPA, I heard that it doesn't cost much over there.
Wait, you could actually do Genetic Engineering in Lebanon? Seriously?
Thanks a lot for the info on biomedical engineering. Just one question that's been cinfusing me lately ? What's the difference between EECS , CCE, and BME .. And are these the minors through which you can continue a Masters in BME ?
If someone can elaborate this ill be thankful
And to be frank despite BME sounds exciting w hek the salaries are low. Yi3neh I was hoping for a more wealthier career and future in BME .. :/

Well my options are between computer engineering, biomedical, and industrial .. Should I go into EECS and then choose between them .. And which would you guys most recommend regarding salaries job offers ecr ect .. ?
EE: Electrical engineering => focuses on studying complex electrical systems (such as high power towers and electric machines and drives) especially on construction sites, electronics and electromagnetism.

CCE: Computer communication engineering => focuses on the study of computer networks and the communication processes between them (exchanging data via three types of networks: internet - intranet - extranet, studying various forms of networks such as LANs and WLANS, studying different media of communication such as coaxial cables, optical fibers and power lines, etc...)

BME: Biomedical engineering => details above

EE and CCE are majors on their own, so both the BS and Masters MS degree must be completed in either one of the fields. For a minor in BME, your major electives during your persuit of a BS degree would have to be related to BME such as bioinstrumentation and medical imaging. They are not as detailed as the courses taken with a BS major in BME, but they are enough if you wanted to start a career in BME (later on you would have to take extra courses to complement what you know).

Having a minor in BME is actually not a requirement on the level of BS to continue a Masters (MS) degree in BME. You can have a BS in pure EE or pure CCE (i.e. without minor in BME) and still continue your MS in BME. I did my BS in pure electrical engineering which provided an even stronger base for my persuit of an MS in BME. On the other hand, if you plan on continuing your Masters MS in EE or CCE, and you plan on working in the BME field, then it is obligatory to complete you elective courses in BME. The minor in BME during the BS level introduces somewhat the same topic courses of a minor in BME during the MS level, but those in the MS would be much more elaborated and thorough than in the BS level.

As for the salaries, yes they dropped quite much this year after the depression in Wallstreet. The monthly salary range abroad for a senior engineer was between 4,000$ and 6,000$ (in addition to commissions, healthcare, transportation, and more perks). This range is expected to rise again over the next 3 years, and may even exceed last year's ranges.

If you plan on getting rich, then your ultimite choice would be having a software engineering degree (CCE as BS degree and software engineering as a focus in MS degree in CCE) and then working for companies that design software solutions for hospitals such as Euclidea Medical (local company, find out more here). You have a chance of raising your mothly salary up to 7,000$ or even 10,000$ (according to how skilled you are and of course which company you work for). If you plan on becoming a multi-millionare, then there is only one solution for you: open your own medical service company with as much focus on selling MRI and CT machines because these babies cost around 200,000$ to 3 million a scanner. Plus the hospitals have to pay overhead for maintenance contracts (they are mostly obligatory since the companies that produce the machines are meticulous about whose performing the maintenance => they certify only the engineers who work for the companies that affiliate with them and sell their equipment to the hospitals).

Your best plan is to start your BS in pure EE and then choose between computer engineering, biomedical and industrial engineering since Balamand university, which is as I can see the closest to your house, has also an MS program in CCE and general option (i.e. industrial engineering) for students who complete their BS in pure EE.

A recent request for employment at Euclidea medical went as follows:
Euclidia Medical is looking for IT engineers to work on Hospital Software development and installation. Applicants must be experienced in one of the following: server side backup and recovery for PACS systems or experienced in oracle-based software development. salary depends on experience. if you are interested, please send your resume-CV to sales@beirutsoft.com or call us at 05-559710
This can also indictae that you can complete you degree in CS (Computer Science) and become an IT member. However, the salary would not exceed 1500$ per month.
if your communication engineer you can do master's degree in biomedical engineer @ aub
download the major guide for "Electrical and Computer Engineering" at the following AUB website for more information about the minor in BME at AUB.
I know ESIB runs a very selective Biomedical Engineering program. Definitely worth it.
Ok, so I took a look at the courses that AUB has to offer to complete a minor in BME at BE (Bachelor of Enginering) level.

It is expected to complete a minimum of 18 credits where the courses must meet the following requirements:

• EECE 401 [1 cr.]
• BIOL 201 [4 cr.]
• BIOL 202 or PHYL 246 [4 cr.]
• One core course [3 cr.] chosen from EECE 601, EECE 603, or MECH 633
• One elective course from list A below [3 cr.]
• One elective course from list A, B, or C below [3 cr.]

After checking with the course titles, the closest curriculum to that offered at Balamand is:

• EECE 401: Biomedical Engineering Seminar [1 cr.]
• BIOL 201: General Biology I [4 cr.]
• PHYL 246: Human Physiology for Paramedical and Undergraduate Students [4 cr.]
• EECE 601: Biomedical Engineering I i.e. Biomedical Instrumentation I (core course) [3 cr.]
• EECE 602: Biomedical Engineering II i.e. Biomedical Instruemtnation II (elective course from list A) [3 cr.]
• EECE 603: Biomedical Signal and Image Processing (another elective course from list A) [3 cr.]

Unfortunately, this is not enough; you have to compliment them with the following courses (additional 7 credits):
• EECE 693: Neural Networks (ok, I admit it, it's not offered at UOB but it's a crucial course... besides the material is a thrill!!)
• EECE 694: Digital Image Processing (extremely important)
• EECE 694L: Lab for course EECE 694

There you go 25 credits from AUB to have a good minor in BME. The ranking for AUB remains 3rd because of the credit cost (tuition) and the fact that there are some courses missing like optimization theory, linear systems, stochastic, etc... The missing number of credits is 21 (MS program needs 46 credits to complete), but if you complete your MS or ME that should be taken care of. Note that the remaining courses are actually common courses for all EE students at the Masters level.
rahmu, do you mean ESIB-USJ?

if so, what do you know about it?
Well thanks again for the info .. So I think I'm taking your advice of going into EE and then choosing for masters between continuing in computer, or biomedical, or industrial engineering !
Sure this plan technically works and is acceptable in colleges?
Let's hope for the best
What if I double major and work my a** off and get a degree in both computer and BME ?
jadf24 wroteSure this plan technically works and is acceptable in colleges?
Yep, no problem what so ever, and the union accepts the BE degree from AUB as a 5 year study (pre-requisite to join it).
jadf24 wroteWhat if I double major and work my a** off and get a degree in both computer and BME ?
Your funeral :P But yeah, if you got the funds and the aptitude, go for it although a BE in CCE and a minor in BME is a more reasonable alternative.
mesa177 wrote
jadf24 wroteSure this plan technically works and is acceptable in colleges?
Yep, no problem what so ever, and the union accepts the BE degree from AUB as a 5 year study (pre-requisite to join it).
I think you understood me wrong .. What I meant was are you sure it is possible that I can continue my masters in for example industrial or biomedical despite I have a minor BE degree in EE or CCE?
mesa177 wroterahmu, do you mean ESIB-USJ?

if so, what do you know about it?
Here's how it works at ESIB (USJ, yes).

First of all, teaching is dispensed in French, worth noting.


Then interesting part

ESIB is a 5 years program. There are various ways of getting in, at different stages of the program and depending on your background, but I'll only discuss the "standard" one here.

There are three ways to get accepted at ESIB. First is to get a 16/20 at either French or Lebanese baccalaureate. You get automatically in. Second is by sending your grades. Third one is by passing an entrance exam. (I don't know the ratios of each)

From the beginning you join one of two programs at ESIB, which are:
  • Génie Civil et Environnement
  • Génie Electro-mécanique
There is virtually no way of switching to the other program once you start.

First two years: Maths Sup et Maths Spé
First couple of years are common for the two "majors", with heavy emphasis on Maths, Physics and Chemistry. Courses cover Algebra, Calculus, Mechanics, Thermodynamics, Optics, Electronic Circuits, as well as an introductory course to Programming (this is where I discovered Matlab).

Final three years: Engineering years
This is where each major gets their specific courses. You also get to chose your specialization. Here are the choices:

Génie Civil
  • Batiments
  • Travaux Publics
  • Eau et environnement
Electro-mécanique
  • Informatique et réseaux
  • Telecom
  • Mécanique et électrique
  • Biomédical
Biomédical is the most selective one, with only 10 positions to fill. That's what I know. Note that my data date back from 2007, I'm not 100% positive it is completely accurate as of today :-)
jadf24 wrote
mesa177 wrote
jadf24 wroteSure this plan technically works and is acceptable in colleges?
Yep, no problem what so ever, and the union accepts the BE degree from AUB as a 5 year study (pre-requisite to join it).
I think you understood me wrong .. What I meant was are you sure it is possible that I can continue my masters in for example industrial or biomedical despite I have a minor BE degree in EE or CCE?
No I didn't get you wrong, the answer is yes you can complete your masters in industrial or biomedical engineering even with a BE degree in EE or CCE (the BE is not a minor degree, minor simply means additional specialty like biomedical engineering in addition to the major specialty EE or CCE; you cannot complete a minor specialty without completing at least 60 credits from the main program, being of at least sophomore standing, and having a minimum average of 70). There are other minor specialties, but they're too many to count.

@rahmu: thank you for the information :)
Oh okay thanks for the info it was really helpful
Based on you knowledge on the job offers, salaries, and market demand; what would you most advise me to choose between for later on ? Biomedical or industrial or computer? (I have no problem with any )