NuclearVision
I would giveaway my car if they make a respectable, safe, timely and hassle free transportation system.
But right now, if i don't drive to work, i will have to take 2 services and 2 buses + wait and spend a lot.
Its cheaper but also easier by car.
I second what Avolio said, as long as we don't produce anything, and begging for hard currency no longer works, our currency is bound to keep losing value.
I read today that the minister of agriculture decided to allow poultry imports, since farmers were not selling their chicken at current prices, it is then that i realized that we always blame politicians, but in fact, the lebanese citizen is the most corrupt.
user
Yes I think as the government gets weaker, people should organize into economic groups by themselves. And really organize well. We can have a private area based digital agricultural market masalan. You can try and hold meetings in your own villages and setup a bus route, and you all agree to hire someone who owns a bus, pay him a fixed rate per month all of you in exchange for him doing 2 trips a day (or 1 trip a day, whatever) things like that.
Imagine being the prime minister, setting up laws, and then the people below you are too corrupt or incompetent to actually practice that law. You're pretty weak at that point.
tech-guru
I will summarize some key points that might be missing , and the repercussions of such decisions.
The last circular No. 573 by which the Banque du Liban imposed on importing companies to pay the amounts due to them to the bank in Lebanese pounds in cash, and not by means of bank checks or transfers, prompting companies and institutions to suspend accepting bank cards and require consumers to pay in cash only. The first of these signs appeared at gas stations, many of which announced that payments through bank cards would not be accepted, in order to obtain cash in pounds, in line with the circular of the Banque du Liban.
As for the decision of the Banque du Liban to set a ceiling for bank withdrawals from it in lira, and to impose fees and interest on withdrawing any monthly amounts exceeding 5 billion pounds for each bank, it prompted the banks to throw the fire ball in the range of banking clients, so the ceilings for cash withdrawals were reduced, to avoid having to withdraw cash from a bank Lebanon surpassed the estimated amount by 5 billion lira. It is evident that the measures taken by the banks to reduce the ceilings of cash withdrawals and limit them to bank cards are reflected in the scarcity of cash liquidity in the hands of citizens.
Away from the objectives of the Central Bank of the circular and the decision, which is summarized by reducing the level of liquidity in Lebanese pounds, and thus reducing the demand for the dollar, and at the expense of deepening the social crisis, the question remains, how will the mechanism of bank withdrawals become? In what cases can bank cards be used?
Many banks have begun to reduce their ceilings for cash withdrawals on dollars and pounds through ATMs, whether for individuals or companies. Among those banks, Fransabank, Bank of Beirut, the Arab Countries, the Lebanese Swiss Bank, the Mediterranean Bank, the Lebanon Overseas Bank and other banks, it is expected that the reduction process will apply to the rest of the banks during the next few days.
The constant in the new procedures is that cash withdrawals on the fund (or countires) in banks will stop completely, whether from the lira or dollar accounts, and cash withdrawals will be restricted to ATMs only. However, according to ceilings that are much lower than what was previously permitted. For example, banks reduced cash withdrawals in dollars (that is, from dollar accounts) to less than $ 1,000 a month. The ceiling is reduced according to each bank, provided that the withdrawal exchange rate remains 3,900 pounds, in line with BDL Circular No. 151. As for withdrawals from accounts in Lebanese pounds, their ceilings are also reduced to less than half, as the ceiling set at most banks does not exceed 2 million pounds per week. .
It is striking that the low ceilings for cash withdrawals include large and small depositors, so there is no differentiation between them in terms of the size of the withdrawals. Likewise, owners of domiciled accounts, public sector employees and members of the security services will have to withdraw their salaries through ATMs, and not from bank funds.
By reducing the ceilings for withdrawals, banks tend to compel customers to use electronic bank credit cards and debit cards in purchases from the Lebanese market. Therefore, banks are expected to transfer the installments of their borrowers from one bank to another according to the requirements, in order to prevent the cash withdrawal from the lira.
The main problem facing the process of using bank cards is to determine the exchange rate of the dollar in bank accounts. Al-Modon learned that a number of banks, including Byblos Bank, allow customers to transfer services from one dollar to one dollar according to the exchange rate of 3900 pounds to the dollar, which facilitates the process of using bank cards in purchases and dispensing with cash, if the commercial institution provides the electronic payment mechanism.
But with the banks that have not introduced the conversion service from dollars to pounds according to the price of the platform, the holders of their dollar accounts must use their cards according to the exchange rate of 1505 pounds to the dollar in purchases priced according to the black market exchange rate for the dollar, and these will almost completely gnaw their deposits.
As for the institutions, shops and companies that refuse to pay through bank cards, the citizen must then dispense with their products, due to his inability to pay in cash, which is what the Banque du Liban targets through its circulars and decisions, i.e. reducing consumption, even if this leads to a hitting the citizen's living capacity and creating more recession.
The objective of the Central Bank of Lebanon through these measures may be achieved temporarily and calm the rise of the dollar. However, this will not succeed in the medium term. All these measures ultimately only lead to more inflation. The Bank of Lebanon has pumped the lira into the market in huge quantities in light of the weak production, and comes today to withdraw the pound, to relieve pressure on it and reduce the dollar. The market is through imported goods, the price of which will be charged in lira in cash. The result will be a vicious circle. The measures will only buy time pending the formation of a government and finding solutions and exits to the crisis.
Similar to the current existence of a cash dollar in the market and a lollar (or bank dollar), a cash lira and a bira (or bank lira) will be introduced. As with the lollar, so is the bira. Their value is between 30 and 60 percent less than the monetary dollar and the pound.
As long as the Banque du Liban imposed on importers to pay about 85 percent of the value of imports in cash, and not through transfers or checks, this means that a difference will occur in prices between the cash and the pound in banks, similar to the difference between the cash dollar and the bank dollar, or what is known as "lollar". I expect that the value of the lira in cash (1 lira) will be approximately 1.25 liras in the bank. Imposing payment on importers in lira in cash would create a sudden and enormous demand for lira in cash, which means that the lira “cash” is no longer equal to that deposited in banks.
It is likely that a banking source will deal in the near term with lira checks, with a discount of between 15 to 20 percent of them, just as is currently the case with dollar checks.
NuclearVision
funny, artificial demand for Lira to boost its value.
user
Basically the central bank wants to try and eliminate bank deposits as much as he can. I wonder if this will bring down the usd/lira exchange in the black market. He shouldn't be trying to strengthen the lira, making the lira cheap would make our products more competitive. He just needs to reduce the support for imports.
nuclearcat
user wroteBasically the central bank wants to try and eliminate bank deposits as much as he can. I wonder if this will bring down the usd/lira exchange in the black market. He shouldn't be trying to strengthen the lira, making the lira cheap would make our products more competitive. He just needs to reduce the support for imports.
Thing of weakening country currency for sake of cheap products - works only if you have import independent produce, where added value is much more than cost of imports.
It doesnt work at all for Lebanon as every industry here is heavily import dependent and near none have high added value manufacturing.
VincentKeyboard
Tech Guru wrote
Similar to the current existence of a cash dollar in the market and a lollar (or bank dollar), a cash lira and a bira (or bank lira) will be introduced. As with the lollar, so is the bira.
Why isn't the "bank dollar" called bollar then if the "bank lira" is going to be called bira?
wollyka
The decision was reversed?
rolf
user wroteAnd we simply travel by bus, same bus shapes as in Lebanon,
You can't compare buses in Canada with Lebanon. Have you ever taken a minibus ride in Lebanon? You only need to take 2 or 3 to have enough trauma for the whole summer.
I am sure that if we have a bus network in Lebanon with the same coverage and standards that you can expect in Canada, many more will chose to ride the bus instead of their car.
VincentKeyboard wroteTech Guru wrote
Similar to the current existence of a cash dollar in the market and a lollar (or bank dollar), a cash lira and a bira (or bank lira) will be introduced. As with the lollar, so is the bira.
Why isn't the "bank dollar" called bollar then if the "bank lira" is going to be called bira?
I heard that every sect will be getting their own quota, so you will have mbiras, subiras (maybe they will change the name), shlollars and قlollars.
Every sect will also have their own exchange rate so there will be 54 exchange rates for USD.
anayman_k7
They just said 2 different things in the same time, they said that there is no limits from BDL but they will start getting LBP not in cash fully, so they are urging people to use Cards and Transfers, so they basically confirming the LBP limit but with some sugar on top it
tech-guru
Agian , I warn selling your USD for LBP now. USD/LBP rate is now below 7000 as a political atmosphere to float a new cabinet formation and prevail a new atmosphere. Personally , I don't trust that. Old similar scenarios associated with fake promises happened before. They will collect USD from people , then negative remifications will happen that will make it rise again.
Lebanon needs the injection of USD 15 billion , in any form, to increase USD supply in the economy. This will only happen if a cabinet is formed as soon as possible with practicle and real reshuffle matching IMF and France demands. Otherwise , USD will exponentially incrase against LBP.
VincentKeyboard
So the complaint was the lack of USD and demand being too high for the supply which eventually inflated the value of the dollar. And now people are rushing to sell enough dollars to deflate its value. The reasoning is that they had enough dollars to begin with but were hiding them from the government, a wise choice if you ask me. So what happens next? The government gets this supply of save/hidden dollars and we fall into an even worse situation?
tech-guru
Without real injection to increase the supply, these are all repeated games to let people sell their saved USD at homes in afraid the usd will fall more. They will collect USDs , a similar manoeuvre happened when they elected the ex PM. #Notrust
The aim of BDL is to collect USD , by all means, to extend the period for removing subsidies on bread , gasoline , and medicines. As such , these manoeuvres will inject some USDs to the BDL reserves.
rolf
Are people really betting their hopes on politics, that a cabinet would be formed, that Hariri would be PM? Like these things never happened in the past.
infiniteloop
Specially that the same corrupted people will choose one of their friend as minister
DNA
nothing is corrupt in lebanon more than the lebanese themselves i have seen lot of cultures in my lifetime and lebanese people with all my respect to the good few like you guys around here, i don't blame the politicians at all good for them they have bunch of clowns with medieval minds following them with the mentality that they are protecting their existence from other sects. this will never change I not being pessimistic but that is our reality, naive people following leaders and religion can't get worse.
VincentKeyboard
DNA wrotenothing is corrupt in lebanon more than the lebanese themselves i have seen lot of cultures in my lifetime and lebanese people with all my respect to the good few like you guys around here, i don't blame the politicians at all good for them they have bunch of clowns with medieval minds following them with the mentality that they are protecting their existence from other sects. this will never change I not being pessimistic but that is our reality, naive people following leaders and religion can't get worse.
People generally need to be policed or else they will mess up everything. That is why we have the notion of governments and authorities.
Normal human beings are expected to elect people who will enforce rules, guidelines, and make sure everything is running properly. This is in addition to regularly developing and integrating economic, academic, and infrastructural improvements that add sustainability to basic services which in turn can sustain anything above them such industries, businesses, hospitals, schools, and public institutions. We are missing the basic foundation for a sustainable country. We need a major reform.
Lebanese people, on the other hand, elect incompetent politicians who are as corrupt and the citizens.
I know people who have benefited from politicians. Many rich people would be homeless without Michel Aoun or Harriri or your favorite political party leader. But not everyone did benefit and not everyone even supports political parties. I visited several political party headquarters (parties from different religions and backgrounds) in the last few years asking for help or direction. They all rejected me.
My current employer distrusts politicians as much as I do. Although I make sure I do not engage in such conversations with him, I hear him expressing his opinions to other coworkers and I agree with the sentiments.
VincentKeyboard
Does anyone know how the withdrawal amount/week in LBP accounts at Audi bank ended up?
anayman_k7
VincentKeyboard wroteDoes anyone know how the withdrawal amount/week in LBP accounts at Audi bank ended up?
5 millions
VincentKeyboard
Thanks. So they only halved the withdrawal limit again for USD accounts?