You are not logged in.
shant wrote:is that 10 second on desktop or 10 second counting just right after bios post? (windows logo)
also how many startup items do you have?10 seconds just after bios post. so windows logo and desktop startup total up to 10 seconds. How many startup items do I have? Well let's see:
- Avira antivirus
- IDM
- VMware
- MotioninJoy
- Nvidia settings
- PowerIso
- Hotspot Shield
- Razer Mamba utility
- Skype
- UPS agent for auto shutdown
- Steam
- Intel NAS storage utility
- VIA HD Dock
- Intel Rapid Storage Utility
- EVGA GPU temp utility
- EVGA Precisionand a whole bunch of other stuff related to MS Office, Nero, PowerDVD, Creative audio utility, Apple itunes, WAMP, etc....
that is too epic!
but the question is,do you turn your pc on and off a lot to actually benefit from that?
My gaming rig:
- intel C2Q Q6600 @ 3.8GHz CPU G0 Cores 9*425MHz
- Asus Rampage Extreme X48 with upgraded TIM
- Thermaltake FrioOCK CPU Cooler
- G.Skil Ripjaws X-Series 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 1600MHz CL6 RAM
- 2x Nvidia Geforce GTX 285 1GB DDR3 SLI 16x/16x
- 2x WDC 500GB 7200rpm SATA-II in RAID-0 + 2x Samsung 160GB 7200rpm in RAID-0 + 1x WDC 320GB 7200rpm SATA-II
- 1x Samsung DVD-RW
- Asus/Creative Supreme-FX X-FI PCIe Sound-Card
- Gigabyte Pro-Odin 800w PSU
- Thermaltake Xaser VI-MX Black Case
- Sony Bravia U-Series 32" LCD TV
* New parts arrived, upgrading soon..
EDIT: adding an old pic of the rig with the DuOrb CPU cooler..
Last edited by MohammedSF (November 15 2012)
My gaming rig:
- intel C2Q Q6600 @ 3.8GHz CPU G0 Cores 9*425MHz
- Asus Rampage Extreme X48 with upgraded TIM
- Thermaltake FrioOCK CPU Cooler
- G.Skil Ripjaws X-Series 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 1600MHz CL6 RAM
- 2x Nvidia Geforce GTX 285 1GB DDR3 SLI 16x/16x
- 2x WDC 500GB 7200rpm SATA-II in RAID-0 + 2x Samsung 160GB 7200rpm in RAID-0 + 1x WDC 320GB 7200rpm SATA-II
- 1x Samsung DVD-RW
- Asus/Creative Supreme-FX X-FI PCIe Sound-Card
- Gigabyte Pro-Odin 800w PSU
- Thermaltake Xaser VI-MX Black Case
- Sony Bravia U-Series 32" LCD TV* New parts arrived, upgrading soon..
No pics ? :(
@MohammedSF
what id like to know is the voltages you used for the cpu
vcore/pll etc...
the max ive gotten off my q6600 is 3.44ghz 1.37500vcore on p45 chipset
@Shant
VCore = 1.46v
PLL = 1.6v
LLC "aka Load Line Calibration" = Enabled
NorthBridge Voltage = 1.40v "1.32v is enough but 1.40v is more stable with tight CL6 timings & SLI"
PCIe = 100MHz
FSB = 425MHz
FSB Strap = 200MHz "400MHz gives 1:1 Ratio but it requires loosening memory timings"
Spread Spectrum = Disabled
Memory Speed = 1600MHz
Memory Timings = Manually set to my memory timings witch is 6-8-6-24
Command Rate = 1T
Memory Voltage = 1.65v "G.Skill recommends 1.65v~1.70v when using SandyBridge's 1.5v DDR3 on older chipsets, 1.70v is the MAX"
CPU Multi = 9 "Maximum for Q6600" , or set it to Auto to enable SpeedStep so it will set @ 6 when idling "2550MHz Speed" and cool down much faster..
* for 4GHz, set VCore 1.55v, NorthBridge 1.45v, FSB 450MHz
Priming @ 4GHz with FrioOCK, temps are in the mid-high 70's but the NorthBridge is sky-rocketing to high 60's it requires watercooling using the Fusion Block System
* i did prime @ 4.2GHz using 1.62v VCore & 467MHz FSB, core temps are in the mid 80's, NB sky-rocketing to mid 70's, it's totally unsafe for CPU & NB "Max safe voltage for Q6600 is 1.5v and max crazy voltage is 1.6v"
Performance result wasn't that much between 3.8GHz & 4.2GHz..
from 2.4GHz to 3.2GHz i got something around 20fps+ in Crysis
from 3.2GHz to 3.6GHz i got 10fps more
from 3.6GHz to 3.8GHz i got 3fps more
3.8GHz to 4GHz, 2fps+
4GHz to 4.2GHz, 2fps+
So a Q6600 tops @ 3.6GHz, there's no benefit clocking it more than 3.6GHz
EDIT: my CPU is a lapped Q6600 with G0 cores and has a low VID of 1.30v, what's yours ?
Last edited by MohammedSF (November 16 2012)
those voltages are crazy! you have a golden chip,i would never sell that!
mine is also Q6600 with G0 stepping,i got 3.44Gz with 37500vcore,could not get more no matter how much i raise chipset and vcore,i think its because my cpu does not receive enough power from my motherboard,its only 4 pin p45
those voltages are crazy! you have a golden chip,i would never sell that!
mine is also Q6600 with G0 stepping,i got 3.44Gz with 37500vcore,could not get more no matter how much i raise chipset and vcore,i think its because my cpu does not receive enough power from my motherboard,its only 4 pin p45
I know it's a golden chip, it was binned for lots of money, and when it comes to selling, it wont even sold for as low as a new boxed Q6600 with B3 cores !
If you're interested, PM me, all those parts are listed for sale here:
http://lebgeeks.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=13145
The crazy voltages begins @ 1.6v+ , 1.5v and lower is totally safe for a G0 core, just keep your eyes on the temps and bump vcore if you have a good quality HSF.. mine can go 3.4GHz with intel's POS cooler !
I think it's your RAM if its DDR2 not DDR3, if you cant reach 400MHz FSB
Anyway, 3.4GHz is more than enough for any Mid-Range single VGA
nah,im getting ivy bridge soon!
@MohammedSF.
Funny thing, as i have seen the post about your rig, but i just noticed it now..
Your - Asus/Creative Supreme-FX X-FI PCIe Sound-Card... Where did you get it from ?!
Also, if i may ask, what kind of sound system you have plugged in .. (headphones,surround sound...)
Tell us also its performance and the sound etc etc...
@MohammedSF.
Funny thing, as i have seen the post about your rig, but i just noticed it now..
Your - Asus/Creative Supreme-FX X-FI PCIe Sound-Card... Where did you get it from ?!
Also, if i may ask, what kind of sound system you have plugged in .. (headphones,surround sound...)
Tell us also its performance and the sound etc etc...
Dear AVOlio, that sound card was included with the REX motherboard cuz it doesn't have a built-in sound, as far as I know, all Rampage Extreme boards includes a Supreme-FX sound card.
My sound system is a 2.1 system from Goldwin, a powerful system i got from KSA..
Performance is very good, sound is very good too as long as it makes my neighbors go mad !
but I'm willing for more so i decided to upgrade to 2700k Sandy-Bridge system, I did bought CL6 DDR3 witch I'm currently using in my system, and an AsRock Fatal1ty Z68 Professional motherboard, I'm looking for a nice binned CPU & a GTX680 VGA now, then a good SSD later..
Last edited by MohammedSF (November 22 2012)
I'm willing for more so i decided to upgrade to 2700k Sandy-Bridge system, I did bought CL6 DDR3 witch I'm currently using in my system, and an AsRock Fatal1ty Z68 Professional motherboard, I'm looking for a nice binned CPU & a GTX680 VGA now, then a good SSD later..
Nice beautiful CPU the 2700k, and ditch the 680, get a 7970. Performance wise they are mostly on par with the latest driver update and both are really good anyway, but 7970 is cheaper so get that. ( not talking about the GHZ edition, just good old regular 7970 )
@Khaled, 7970 is a monster video card, but in my experience with ID RAGE, the new Megatexture Technology used in ID's latest engine (ID Tech-5) is capable of 128000x128000 textures, this damn huge textures will be extremely compressed in DXT format !
RAGE only has 16K/1TB of uncompressed textures !, using the CPU cores to decompress this huge textures will take a very long time and kill the performance, so ID Tech-5 engine uses a new technology making it capable to utilize all the CUDA cores in Nvidia's video cards to decompress the huge textures witch gives a huge boost in performance, AMD/ATi's cards doesn't have those CUDA cores technology and that's why you can't run RAGE on them without having problems and good performance !
And because I'm dying for DOOM-4 witch is based on the same Tech-5 engine @ 128K textures, I'll never think in an AMD/ATi video card even if ID Software or AMD/ATi has found a workaround for this issue..
a GTX680 has 1536 CUDA core, while HD7970 has 0 !
a GTX680 has 1536 CUDA core, while HD7970 has 0 !
A bit misleading that sentence.. CUDA cores are what nvidia calls their shader cores, and for reference the HD7970 has 2048 shader cores to the 680's 1536.
MohammedSF wrote:a GTX680 has 1536 CUDA core, while HD7970 has 0 !
A bit misleading that sentence.. CUDA cores are what nvidia calls their shader cores, and for reference the HD7970 has 2048 shader cores to the 680's 1536.
Wow, I'm sorry for that, that's true CUDA Cores = Streaming Processors = Shaders !
Those Shaders are programmable so it's AMD's drivers making all those problems in RAGE with unusable shaders ..
AMD Drivers and unusable shaders? How? It's just that Nvidia cards support CUDA while AMD cards don't (they opt for Stream, an open-source option).
The new generation of Nvidia cards (GTX 6xx series) are seriously crippled in terms of compute performance. Disregarding the fact that the GTX680 has almost the same memory bandwidth as the GTX580 (192.4GB/s) while the HD7970 has 264.4GB/s, the GTX670/680 cards are intentionally crippled in terms of double-precision compute (FP64) that they barely match a GTX560Ti in such workloads. This helps to reduce die size, power consumption, heat, noise, cost and improves yield, The result is a card that is very good in gaming, but where many forms of compute are considered (such as Folding, Ray-tracing, etc...), forget it.
You might want to be careful what workload you are throwing at the graphics card in case you were aiming for the GTX670/680. It's already been shown that Dirt Showdown and Sniper Elite V2, both having advanced compute features, are much slower on those cards than on the HD7950/7970, which are compute monsters (hence the higher power consumption, heat, noise).
AMD's new 12.11 Beta 6(?) drivers have claimed to have fixed a long-standing issue with RAGE. You might want to check out the results.
I don't have my HD7970 with me now, but when I get it back, I'll be sure to run RAGE and test things, along with a Crossfire test with my friend's HD7950.
Even if the game was not fixed, or will never be fixed (which I doubt, I don't think Id will just leave an entire segment in the dust without support, neither will AMD simply surrender), you might want to look at it from another perspective. The HD7970 almost matches the GTX680 in most non-demanding games, surpasses it when the game gets tougher (Crysis, Metro 2033), and smashes it when compute is introduced (as is the case with Dirt Showdown and Sniper Elite). Hitman Absolution and Medal of Honor Warfighter, newest games out there, have ran better on the HD7970 than on the GTX680. We're not even talking about the GHz edition yet, or what happens when you OC, or how much better the 7970 scales with OC than the 680.
In addition to that, you get a cheaper card (by $60-100) 3GB VRAM vs 2GB, much higher memory bandwidth, more OC potential, raw compute capability, etc...
AMD's drivers are seriously better nowadays. They're trading punches with Nvidia on releasing application profiles on time. AMD has fixed many many many bugs in its drivers, and they're being continuously improved.
I've been on an Nvidia card (a GTX260) for the last 4 years, but this time AMD convinced me to switch. (I can't talk about next gens, ofc).
AMD Drivers and unusable shaders? How? It's just that Nvidia cards support CUDA while AMD cards don't (they opt for Stream, an open-source option).
The new generation of Nvidia cards (GTX 6xx series) are seriously crippled in terms of compute performance. Disregarding the fact that the GTX680 has almost the same memory bandwidth as the GTX580 (192.4GB/s) while the HD7970 has 264.4GB/s, the GTX670/680 cards are intentionally crippled in terms of double-precision compute (FP64) that they barely match a GTX560Ti in such workloads. This helps to reduce die size, power consumption, heat, noise, cost and improves yield, The result is a card that is very good in gaming, but where many forms of compute are considered (such as Folding, Ray-tracing, etc...), forget it.
You might want to be careful what workload you are throwing at the graphics card in case you were aiming for the GTX670/680. It's already been shown that Dirt Showdown and Sniper Elite V2, both having advanced compute features, are much slower on those cards than on the HD7950/7970, which are compute monsters (hence the higher power consumption, heat, noise).
AMD's new 12.11 Beta 6(?) drivers have claimed to have fixed a long-standing issue with RAGE. You might want to check out the results.
I don't have my HD7970 with me now, but when I get it back, I'll be sure to run RAGE and test things, along with a Crossfire test with my friend's HD7950.
Even if the game was not fixed, or will never be fixed (which I doubt, I don't think Id will just leave an entire segment in the dust without support, neither will AMD simply surrender), you might want to look at it from another perspective. The HD7970 almost matches the GTX680 in most non-demanding games, surpasses it when the game gets tougher (Crysis, Metro 2033), and smashes it when compute is introduced (as is the case with Dirt Showdown and Sniper Elite). Hitman Absolution and Medal of Honor Warfighter, newest games out there, have ran better on the HD7970 than on the GTX680. We're not even talking about the GHz edition yet, or what happens when you OC, or how much better the 7970 scales with OC than the 680.
In addition to that, you get a cheaper card (by $60-100) 3GB VRAM vs 2GB, much higher memory bandwidth, more OC potential, raw compute capability, etc...
AMD's drivers are seriously better nowadays. They're trading punches with Nvidia on releasing application profiles on time. AMD has fixed many many many bugs in its drivers, and they're being continuously improved.
I've been on an Nvidia card (a GTX260) for the last 4 years, but this time AMD convinced me to switch. (I can't talk about next gens, ofc).
A lot of what you say is true, but keep in mind that very few games need high compute capability, and the games you listed are an exception rather than a rule. I'd rather have a low heat/noise card than compute performance i'll very rarely need. (in my case i actually do gpu programming, but i don't need double precision performance).
as for the amd card being better with more demanding games, it's not so clear cut and very game dependent. AMD have always been better at Metro as you point out. but then last time i checked nvidia had the upper hand in battlefield.
It's a toss up between the two at the moment, but i've seen a lot of reviews and PC magazines recommending the quieter and cooler nvidia card.
Specs :
- Current Build (Above Pics Purchased using this method)
Intel Core i7 LGA2011 Sandy Bridge-E 3930K CPU
ASUS Rampage iV Extreme ROG Motherboard
64GB 8×8 DDR3-1600 RipJawZ RAM
GeForce GTX690 By EVGA 4Gb Memory
Trancend 128GB SSD
Lian-Li PCP80R Full Tower E-ATX Case
Thermaltake 1200W ToughPower PSU
3KVA Online Pro UPS
Best of luck finding those in Lebanon ! Well, I must be honest, some parts were found and for their weight preferred to get from here mainly UPS, which weighs a TON, and PSU !
That is PURE POWA !
Hello,
Completed this build a week ago, thought I'd share it with all of you.
Specs:
CPU: i7-3770k
MB: Gigabyte Z77x-UD5H-WB
Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo
Power Supply: Cooler Master Silent Pro M850W
Case: Thermaltake Overseer RX-I
Graphics: Gigabyte Radeon 7950 Windforce
RAM: Corsair Vengeance 32GB 1600Mhz
SSD: Intel 520 Series 120Gb
HDD#1: WD 1TB Black Edition
HDD#2: WD 2TB Green Edition
Optical: Pioneer BDR-208DBK 12X Blu-ray SATA
Fans: Cooler Master & Xigmatek (20cm) - Cooler Master (8cm)
Light: Thermaltake Perfect Light Green
Xigmatek MonoCool Fan Controller
Total Cost: 2190$
Pics:
Parts were bought from Amazon and Pc&Parts over a painstaking 5 month period.
Plans for this build:
Overclocking CPU, RAM & Graphics
Experimenting with Graphics settings @1080p
Adding another 7950 for Crossfire in a few months time
Any feedback/questions are welcome.
Peace.
Excellent build and wise choice of parts! I'm guessing you use this system for rendering as well as gaming?
Thanks for the feedback. Yes of course, besides gaming and rendering I also plan to use it as a test lab for my ccnp studies (virtual machines, routers, IP phones..)
--
Last edited by venam (July 31 2013)
Hehehehe... those 7950s crank out an extra 30-40 percent clockspeeds. You're basically getting GTX680 OC performance at a much much lesser price, plus more VRAM, higher bandwidth, and better performance on higher resolutions. Plus, 7950CF setups beat 680SLi setups at comparable clocks @ higher resolutions, let alone when OC is factored in.
That 3770K, 4.4GHz is easy, 4.6GHz can be achieved. That's 25-30% increase in clockspeeds.
Who WOULDN'T overclock for such increases!
Last edited by yasamoka (March 30 2013)
Hehehehe... those 7950s crank out an extra 30-40 percent clockspeeds. You're basically getting GTX680 OC performance at a much much lesser price, plus more VRAM, higher bandwidth, and better performance on higher resolutions. Plus, 7950CF setups beat 680SLi setups at comparable clocks @ higher resolutions, let alone when OC is factored in.
That 3770K, 4.4GHz is easy, 4.6GHz can be achieved. That's 25-30% increase in clockspeeds.
Who WOULDN'T overclock for such increases!
I think the pictures he posted are way too obvious and clearly shows the reason why he is questioning the OP's decision to overclock.
However, I don't agree, while Overclocking may cause harm to your system's components, if done right these risks become less probable. And judging by the fact that the choice of components I think the OP looks more than capable of overclocking. I could be wrong though and we can have him complaining about a fried CPU later on these couple of days.
Anyway dangers of Overclocking are exaggerated
Damn that Overseer RX-I looks awesome !
It was My first choice, but it was out of stock....
And after i got the Chaser MK-I, they restocked all the cases ... !!
Just my typical luck !
But seriously, why would you do that?
Well that's a bit extreme, yasamoka perfectly validated the reason one would want to overclock this rig. In addition, with these particular parts some pretty impressive numbers can be achieved easily by enabling XMP for memory, increasing the CPU multiplier and running tests overnight. I am not an experienced overclocker, so i will enable these before attempting to increase memory and cpu voltages. Proper cooling is ensured by the component's respective coolers and by the air flow from the input (front, side, bottom) and exhaust (2x top, rear) fans. So quite frankly I don't agree with you one bit.