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Sadus

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My workstation @ work

4 computers...
1) Mac OSX with 24" Cinema Display
2) Win Visa with 2x24" Dell monitors
3) Linux Debian 1x19" View Sonic
4) Win vista with 1x22" BenQ monitor

using Synergy2 for single Keyboard/Mouse sharing
abundant Internet connectivity! @ 5 GB/s

bow before me, godless sodomites!

mir

Member

Re: My workstation @ work

hahahahhahaha :lol:

I'll Bow... I'll kneel... I'll Beg... Let me have an Hour with your monitors and 5 GB/s Internet Link  ;)

Last edited by mir (February 13 2009)

nuclearcat

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Re: My workstation @ work

5 Gbit/s? I wont believe :-)

teodorgeorgiev

Member

Re: My workstation @ work

I do not believe for sure. First, Lebanon has no 5Gbps EVEN IN TOTAL. Second, there are three 10Gbps ports installed at the Middle East -
both in Israel and one in Cyprus. Even Dubai has no 10Gbps port. Third, I am dying to see a PC (even Linux) that can handle 5Gbps throughput.

This story reminds of me of a funny anekdote.

A group of scientists conducted a survey between the different nations - "How many times per day you make sex?"

The Italians answered: "3 times per day", the Egyptians answered "2 times per day", the british answered: "twice per week".

From the survey results the scientists concluded:

The most hardcore liars are in Italy, followed by the Egyptians.

:lol:

P.S. 5GB/s is like 50Gbit/s.

Last edited by teodorgeorgiev (February 13 2009)

Padre

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Re: My workstation @ work

ok, just let me know what u work on, and why the hell would u need so many machines @ the same time
nice desk tho !!!

and i second teo about the connection altho im not that knowledgeable on the bandwidth installed in the area, but 5GB/s seems way too much

Sadus

Member

Re: My workstation @ work

teodorgeorgiev...
1) i don't live in Lebanon
2) i obviously meant 5Gb/s ... don't be ridiculous, it was a typo
3) You apparently have no idea what you're talking about... KSA (where I work) has a total of +/- 32Gb/s ... in which 5Gb/s is allocated to the ISP where i work
4) Your knowledge about data carriers and undersea cables is pretty much outdated
5) You're dying to see a PC that handles 5Gb/s ... We had 6 Dell 6950s handling that amount (in-line) for Cisco's SCE ...
6) How outdated are you in Linux libraries?
7) Having my workstation on the core router doesn't mean i'm going to use the entire 5Gb/s ... how silly are you to take it literally. (doesn't mean i can't .. .thanks to "axel")

Padre
I'm a Managed Solutions Specialist, Senior Systems Engineer in my company, i'm also an entrepreneur, got many businesses online, needs to keep an eye on many things..

Nuclearcat
I have a friend who's connected to KSA's IGW, he's connected to a 10Gbps switch, fiber all the way...imagine the speed he's getting

Last, but never least Mir...
Hello babe ;)

teodorgeorgiev

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Re: My workstation @ work

Will try to be as short as possible.

Neither my Linux libraries are outdated (indeed, it is the kernel that plays the major role, NOT the libraries, not at all), nor my knowledge on
data carriers. I watch the situation in the area closely.

The KSA branch of Cyberia recently bought a 10Gbps Foundry switch (recently = end of Decembet 2008th, is that PRETTY MUCH OUTDATED)
and they use it merely for the internal connectivity = peering.

The FALCON submarine cable that comes from Mumbai and serves the entire Middle East + some parts of Africa (apprx 20 countries) has
a capacity of 2Tbps (2000 Gigabits per second). Guess what, not even 20% of it is in use, and that use is mostly for phone calls.

The story of a 64bit Linux over some Dell or HP - I saw it. Performance tests over PCI-X, 64bit arch, 10Gbps Intel NIC show a little less than
7Gbps. Once you try to use this system as a router (not even an application server, which is more resource consuming) it drops to 3-3.2Gbps.

What is silly is bullshitting on a forum, where you know that the people are struggling for bandwidth. Lebanon needs 10times more capacity
than it has now. I am really pissed off to hear the same pack of lies about 10Gbps fiber links here and there. You sound no different to me
than Ogero and the government in general, who brag how due to the genius of the former Rafik Hariri Beirut is loaded with fiber cables
under its streets, whilst the local ISPs just recently managed to make a peering POP, where the media used to interconnect is 2Mbps WIRELESS.

KSA is full of fiber, Syria is full of fiber and high-speed DSL links, Lebanon under-street shafts are full of fiber cables ... and at the end user
you see WHAT... a 256Kbps limited link.  Maybe this is because peoople like you and your buddy - sitting with their PCs at a switch connected
directly to the backbone and leeching/redirecting all the bandwidth ;)

I really quit this discussion.

I am a manager of a waterfall, duke of the Bekaa valley, governor of the Golan Heights, minister of the internal affairs of the South Pole,
and God knows what else. I have so much bullshitting on my head so the last thing I need is some more.

Last edited by teodorgeorgiev (February 14 2009)

WizaRd

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Re: My workstation @ work

No what you need to do is:
1- Update your OUTDATED signature.
2- Never come back to this discussion please.
3- Maybe come up, for once, with a solution to this instead of always blaming it on Ogero and the government and whoever else you seem to despise. I am sick (and I know a couple more here) to hear your  whining and ranting whenever the opportunity comes up.
4- Reply back before the thread gets locked, because at this rate I am not remaining silent.

teodorgeorgiev

Member

Re: My workstation @ work

The solution is pretty simple.

1. Break the monopoly of the international backbone. I tried to arrange several times (e-mails are available as a proof, however whatever
I show you, it might not open your eyes, you keep them closed on purpose. VISP tried to came with solutions SEVERAL TIMES, and you
know it, just admit it, you won't die from this, trust me) connectivity through international operators - PCCWBTN, Interoute (I tried to
convince them to go through Lebanon, than not through Jordan). We were even ready to lease a submarine cable lying ship.

2. At least the government should give local ISPs more freedom and decent prices for the "shafts" so the ISPs could build a strong internal peering network. 

Face it, I have done several times more (at least attempts) to improve the Lebanese Internet situation than YOU (well, even if I have
done at least one attempt, it would still be more than you, cause you made ZERO).

There is a song of Madonna for people like you: "You only see what your eyes want to see". Dude, you are pathetic.

I really leave this discussion.

nuclearcat

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Re: My workstation @ work

5) You're dying to see a PC that handles 5Gb/s ... We had 6 Dell 6950s handling that amount (in-line) for Cisco's SCE ...
6) How outdated are you in Linux libraries?
7) Having my workstation on the core router doesn't mean i'm going to use the entire 5Gb/s ... how silly are you to take it literally. (doesn't mean i can't .. .thanks to "axel")

Even there is 10G cards on market, they are not supposed to route this 10G.
Dell 6950 is AMD, and AMD sucks on routing, because of NUMA.

I will quote phrase "5) You're dying to see a PC that handles 5Gb/s "
There is NO PC which can handle 5 Gb/s properly. Maximum plain forwarding, with 3 entries, and without firewall. And yes, Teodor right, libraries have nothing to do at all to routing. Thats shows that you know nothing about linux internals.

Well, when you write 5 Gb/s connection, for IT professional it means you tried it and using it.
Or maybe you mean 5 1000Base-T cables to your computers?

I have a friend who's connected to KSA's IGW, he's connected to a 10Gbps switch, fiber all the way...imagine the speed he's getting

Fiber all the way? Never. Noone in world have fiber all the way :-)
Just by simple reason - all connections inside switch still done by copper.
Speed... yep... physically he have 10Gbps. Practically his international connectivity limited to available bandwidth. As far as i know, most of KSA links overloaded at peak time.

I'm sorry to say, but on Middle East it is usual to exaggerate things. Like someone drove 200km/h, to first friend he say 230km/h, to second 240 km/h, and 10th will hear 300km/h.
At some point, it is easy to step line, when exaggerating becomes lie.

mir

Member

Re: My workstation @ work

we are discussing a cool set of 6 or 7 monitors.. aren't we ?
how did that turn into this ?

I was kinda glad haytham posted back :), it is good for whatever community there is to have him in

anyhow I do like the setup dude
I read some papers about how multiple monitors can boost productivity greatly... other than that somehow it is a really geeky way to show off... ( i am quite fine by it , at least it is geeky )... but doesn't it get distracting? can you manage so many tasks at the same time ?

off topic :
there is no way of saying this... but i do really hope that ppl don't get so touchy so fast for nothing.

Last edited by mir (February 14 2009)

Sadus

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Re: My workstation @ work

akkkh... why do i even bother...

1) My 6950 are Intel, that doesn't matter, but this is getting silly and your "points" are sillier
2)  5 Gb/s, that's the bandwidth we have from our carrier, again..i'm not gonna use it all pfff...how silly. Not that this is not possible, it is very much possible. What's funny is that you guys are talking about what you read somewhere...how about some empirical proof for a change?
3) Libraries have nothing to do with packet filtering and routing, of course they don't...the kernel is just some sort of divine intervention....Praise the lord
4) Have you ever seen a router bigger than your ass?
5) What are you guys trying to prove here...i'm not aware that this is a dating website where you have to show your intellectual muscles...
6) Unethical to post these stuff? what on earth are you on about? ... chill pal i just posted a picture of my workstation...i didn't know you little girls will go bananas...i'm really sorry, here's a lollipop!

Sadus

Member

Re: My workstation @ work

we are discussing a cool set of 6 or 7 monitors.. aren't we ?
how did that turn into this ?

I was kinda glad haytham posted back :), it is good for whatever community there is to have him in
( +1 real Geek)

anyhow I do like the setup dude
I read some papers about how multiple monitors can boost productivity greatly... other than that somehow it is a really geeky way to show off... ( i am quite fine by it , at least it is a geeky )... but doesn't it get distracting? can you manage so many tasks at the same time ?

off topic :
there is no way of saying this... but i do really hope that ppl don't get so touchy so fast for nothing.

that's true...
imagine having your debugger, IDE, tail -f logs, graphs, email client, IRC channels, VMware client, dozen of shells.. all in front of you, no need to minimize or rotate your cube.
i'm all for productivity, it helps you going hours and hours without getting tired or bored...you should try it.

teodorgeorgiev

Member

Re: My workstation @ work

Sadus,

1. Libraries are an essential part of a Linux distribution, yet they do not influent the routing performance at all. Put cash on the table and I can prove it to you. Like the bash shell or the boot loader (LILO, GRUB) - they are essential, but they do not influent the networking performance
at all. Stop trying to escape from the shit you fell into :)

2. Arguing with Nuc is really a lack of disrespect, which only a stupid bedwin like you could show. Arguing with him is like comparing a village
hut in Sudan with Paris or Salzburg.  And you are a complete beginner in Linux, there are thousands of way to prove that. Stop playing
"eleet" in front of the people here. 

3. If you get your salary based on your Linux / IT skills, you won't be able hire anyone for your nephew's party, so you better
play a clown by yourself, as I see you have some solid skills there.

Mir, what (who) we are discussing here is an arrogant and ignorant goat-racer, who started a thread which contains:

"
abundant Internet connectivity! @ 5 GB/s

bow before me, godless sodomites!
"

If there was a smile after his last sentence - it would be fine, we take it as a joke. But since there is none, I leave it to your logic
what and who he is reffering to.

beezer

Member

Re: My workstation @ work

Hrmm...this picture seems like it fits right in.

Oh yeah. I also love having IRC open so I can sit there and look at an idle screen containing who logged in and who logged out.

PS. Where in Saudi do you work? I'd love to see and experience this first hand.

Last edited by beezer (February 14 2009)

Sadus

Member

Re: My workstation @ work

Sadus,

1. Libraries are an essential part of a Linux distribution, yet they do not influent the routing performance at all. Put cash on the table and I can prove it to you. Like the bash shell or the boot loader (LILO, GRUB) - they are essential, but they do not influent the networking performance
at all. Stop trying to escape from the shit you fell into :)

HAHAHAHA !!!
so since, obviously, you don't know what you're talking about... the kernel isn't by mistake compiled against these libraries...no... the soul of a dead Yemeni armadillo sits inside your computer and does all the work.. you're totally right :) Of course the network libraries written for Linux, won't affect the network throughput... the network card installs a twin turbo and all hell breaks loose. I always thought net/ipv4/tcp.c, epoll();, sys_epoll(); were the names of the cockroaches living in my system... thank you for enlightening me...

2. Arguing with Nuc is really a lack of disrespect, which only a stupid bedwin like you could show. Arguing with him is like comparing a village
hut in Sudan with Paris or Salzburg.  And you are a complete beginner in Linux, there are thousands of way to prove that. Stop playing
"eleet" in front of the people here.

Did i hurt your feelings? it's okay little gurlie...the powerpuff girls are here to protect you... Blossom, Bubbles, and Buttercup... do something about it!!

3. If you get your salary based on your Linux / IT skills, you won't be able hire anyone for your nephew's party, so you better play a clown by yourself, as I see you have some solid skills there.

that's just uncalled for.. but that position is still available for you and your boyfriend

Mir, what (who) we are discussing here is an arrogant and ignorant goat-racer, who started a thread which contains:

"
abundant Internet connectivity! @ 5 GB/s

bow before me, godless sodomites!
"

If there was a smile after his last sentence - it would be fine, we take it as a joke. But since there is none, I leave it to your logic
what and who he is reffering to.

that's maybe the only valid point you got, and i'm glad you've mentioned it. I'm an arrogant selfish bastard and i just made you guys remember to wear your pampers, because if 1 silly picture was the foundation of all this retardation and personal insecurity...boy oh boy... i better stay away from you... i don't want to get soaked by your tears whenever i piss you off :)

nuclearcat

Member

Re: My workstation @ work

akkkh... why do i even bother...

1) My 6950 are Intel, that doesn't matter, but this is getting silly and your "points" are sillier

Someone is lying.
6950 is always AMD-based, and never been Intel.

"On October 23, 2006, Dell announced new AMD-based servers — the PowerEdge 6950 and the PowerEdge SC1435."
You can check their website also.

3) Libraries have nothing to do with packet filtering and routing, of course they don't...the kernel is just some sort of divine intervention....Praise the lord

I can build router _without_ libraries at all. With packet filtering. And it can pass 1-2 Gbps.
Even it is possible to have one binary image of kernel and to build management all inside kernel (without userspace applications), without any userspace. Sometimes it is useful in some specific tasks.

5) What are you guys trying to prove here...i'm not aware that this is a dating website where you have to show your intellectual muscles...

Difference between people who want to share tech stuff, like someone telling how he hack DD-WRT, and person who is telling how much screens he have, how is cool his internet connection - very big.
First is hacker, second is exactly showing as his miscles... something even he doesn't own.

If you was going to share how you did this, how it is useful, how other people can use this.
But you did just "show off". Same as people doing villiage-tuning of their ancient BMW, and burning tires on asphalt with ugly "grooom" waking up people at night, thinking how cool they are.

nuclearcat

Member

Re: My workstation @ work

HAHAHAHA !!!
so since, obviously, you don't know what you're talking about... the kernel isn't by mistake compiled against these libraries...no... the soul of a dead Yemeni armadillo sits inside your computer and does all the work.. you're totally right :) Of course the network libraries written for Linux, won't affect the network throughput... the network card installs a twin turbo and all hell breaks loose. I always thought net/ipv4/tcp.c, epoll();, sys_epoll(); were the names of the cockroaches living in my system... thank you for enlightening me...

epoll is socket routine (better to tell filedescriptor routine). It is just a syscall, and it is implemented in kernel, and not as library.
Sure if you want to use it properly, you need some userspace code, but library is not something you really need.
Library is stuff that is laying in your /lib , /usr/lib and sometimes /usr/local/lib, by default.

It has something to do to handle lot of sockets (much faster polling than select, poll, kpoll(freebsd), /dev/poll(some experimental stuff), but has nothing to do to data transfer.
And it has have nothing to do at all with network routing.

Last edited by nuclearcat (February 14 2009)

Sadus

Member

Re: My workstation @ work

=)
nuclearcat, i'll have to apologize about this one, they're 6850 with Quad Socket - Dual Core Intel 71xx series. Does this make my other statements, any more or any less legit? because of 1 digit? ...

Last edited by Sadus (February 15 2009)

rolf

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Re: My workstation @ work

Nice setup sadus.

Last edited by rolf (February 15 2009)

nuclearcat

Member

Re: My workstation @ work

Sadus - digit matter a lot. I never refer to such things twice, if i know what i am talking about.
Also, i always can take a look, what is a CPU series i have installed. Let's say my Intel based Sun servers is E5440 2.83 Ghz. But i don't mind to tell, for example, i dont know price of that servers. Even

PowerEdge 6850 is not very good choice, since this architecture have 4 CPU's sharing relatively slow FSB. If it is Quad Core CPU (total is 16 cores) - it should be really bottleneck for performance.
Linux still is not doing well enough to scale well on SMP. There is some tricks, but not much people know how to do that and utilize all CPU's properly.

samer

Admin

Re: My workstation @ work

Topic cleaned up.
If flamewar continues, it will be locked.
Sadus, teodor and flyingwizard: keep it fun, interesting and constructive. No need for sarcastic and negative remarks.

Sadus

Member

Re: My workstation @ work

Here comes big brother!

rolf

Member

Re: My workstation @ work

Face it, I have done several times more (at least attempts) to improve the Lebanese Internet situation than YOU (well, even if I have
done at least one attempt, it would still be more than you, cause you made ZERO).

There is a song of Madonna for people like you: "You only see what your eyes want to see". Dude, you are pathetic.

Thank you for trying.
The general lebanese consensus is that some things can only be changed from the top.
If your email correspondance shows hope that things might be changed in another way... then please share it...

We often forget, but if we want something to change, we have to prove the benefits and address the concerns.

Last edited by rolf (February 15 2009)

mir

Member

Re: My workstation @ work

Here comes big brother!

well it is a shame that you need big brother samer who is wayyy younger than you to clean up after you guys.